Posted by babyKnicks:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Solace:

The trade was:

Tim Thomas
Mike Sweetney
#2 overall pick (traded for #4), which became Tyrus Thomas
2007 1st round pick (probably in the 6-11 range, assuming we miss the playoffs)

for

Eddy Curry
Antonio Davis

Guys, please stop throwing Balkman into this trade, when we traded one expiring contract of approximately the same $$ for another, just to make the $$ work. We could've traded TT for Rose + the pick had we not traded for AD. Balkman was not part of the Bulls trade.

you left out CHI's pick coming back to NY in that deal

Also we owe the Bulls 2 second rd picks.

now this is an interesting development.
Are you pointing this out because it tips the scales in the bulls favor?

Unless they turn out to be reezy or the bulls have isiah making their picks for them, I'm not so sure these guys will matter so much. But again, just my opinion.

No you idiot. I'm pointing it out because that was also part of the trade. It's called fact.

one poster made a really good point when he mentioned curry's off season conditioning...while he said he worked out last off season, he still came in out of shape...I think if he has some moderate success but isn't a complete beast by the end of the year, he'll hopefully realize the errors of his ways, but I am in full agreement that his off season conditioning is the key to his and the knick's success.

Do you feel Curry/Frye has a better upside than either of these combos?

Bynum and Randy Foye

Bynum and Ty Thomas (defensively this would be absurd)

I would have to say no

Posted by MS:

Do you feel Curry/Frye has a better upside than either of these combos?

Bynum and Randy Foye

Bynum and Ty Thomas (defensively this would be absurd)

I would have to say no

what does Frye have anything to do w/the Curry trade? can we deal w/the topic at hand?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Masterplan:
people knocking rookie ty thomas shouldn't be the ones screaming about how eddy curry is going to keep improving at 24. sure he may. but so will 20 year old tyrus. and its not like we're winning anything significant over the next year or two.

Personally, I just happen to feel that Curry has a much bigger upside than Ty Thomas, but that's just me. I'm not 1 of those people saying Ty Thomas is garbage, cuz i think he's got lots of talent in his own right. But he's never going to be the dominant low post player that Curry is right now imho.

i don't know much about ty thomas. once it became clear we were giving up a sweet pick to the bulls i mostly tuned the draft out. but my impression is that yes, curry is/will be the much better offensive player. but i thought ty thomas was a pretty good shotblocker- if he turns into a good defender it comes down to what you think impacts the game more, shotblocking D or low post O. who knows?

I'm thinking frye is a better center than bynum both today and in the future.

Posted by babyKnicks:

Posted by Masterplan:

i agree with all of the above posters who tried to remind people that we could have picked anyone we wanted with the #2 pick. you don't think IT could have made a good (better?) choice there?

also, people knocking rookie ty thomas shouldn't be the ones screaming about how eddy curry is going to keep improving at 24. sure he may. but so will 20 year old tyrus. and its not like we're winning anything significant over the next year or two.

i was against the trade at the time. curry's done better than i thought. never liked him in chicago, but he's impressed me this season. but we banked big time on him when we had the chance to draft multiple players to fit whatever scheme we wanted. he still has a ways to go to to prove himself, but he's on the way IMO. but as of now i still don't do it.

I understand this post completely masterplan, however, you are saying we have to wait 5 years to see if the trade was successfull.

But let's play message board fun and knowing what you know today, would you still do that trade and/or do you think the trade was better for the knicks?

I think it was and is only getting better.

i bolded the part of my post where i thought i answered it. i don't do it. curry needs to show a LOT more for me to think he was worth it. but it is a matter of prediction and opinion so whatever. i value the flexibility of high picks a lot more than what curry brings (i'm a big proponent of defense in pretty much every sport i play, even ping pong ), but it is totally subjective. in those 5 years he may prove me wrong. as i've gotten to like him better i've started to hope he will. but i don't like the trade.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Solace:

The trade was:

Tim Thomas
Mike Sweetney
#2 overall pick (traded for #4), which became Tyrus Thomas
2007 1st round pick (probably in the 6-11 range, assuming we miss the playoffs)

for

Eddy Curry
Antonio Davis

Guys, please stop throwing Balkman into this trade, when we traded one expiring contract of approximately the same $$ for another, just to make the $$ work. We could've traded TT for Rose + the pick had we not traded for AD. Balkman was not part of the Bulls trade.

you left out CHI's pick coming back to NY in that deal

You're right. Early morning typo. Woops. I'll correct the above post.

So, the trade looks like this:

Tim Thomas
Mike Sweetney
#2 overall pick (traded for #4), which became Tyrus Thomas
2007 1st round pick (probably in the 6-11 range, assuming we miss the playoffs)
Two second round picks

for

Eddy Curry
Antonio Davis
2007 1st round pick (probably in the 18-24 range)

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I think the Bulls got an AWFUL lot for Curry, especially considering his heart issues at the time. There's still no doubt in my mind that Chicago got the stronger package. I just wanted to present the facts. Again, I apologize for leaving out a part. It was actually unintentional. I was posting before I left for work and hadn't had my coffee yet. Sorry.

Posted by Solace:

So, the trade looks like this:

Tim Thomas
Mike Sweetney
#2 overall pick (traded for #4), which became Tyrus Thomas
2007 1st round pick (probably in the 6-11 range, assuming we miss the playoffs)
Two second round picks

for

Eddy Curry
Antonio Davis
2007 1st round pick (probably in the 18-24 range)

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I think the Bulls got an AWFUL lot for Curry, especially considering his heart issues at the time. There's still no doubt in my mind that Chicago got the stronger package. I just wanted to present the facts. Again, I apologize for leaving out a part. It was actually unintentional. I was posting before I left for work and hadn't had my coffee yet. Sorry.

i look at the trade like this:

Tim Thomas = complete & utter waste of space on this team & a disgrace to the Knicks' uniform... i wanted him out in the worst way imaginable

Mike Sweetney = highly overrated player by many on this forum that i never thought would grow into a dominant presence downlow for us... always struck me as a bit role player off the bench at best, & his defensive deficiencies were just as pronounced as Curry's also... you know i wasn't crazy about him being picked by Layden to begin with... wasn't unhappy at all that we traded him

#2 overall pick (Ty Thomas) = already stated i think Curry has bigger upside than Ty Thomas or anyone else we could have had at that spot last year, & that's including Gay, Morrison, Aldridge, Foye & everyone else

2 second rounders = didn't know that was part of the deal, but it is what it is... who knows what Isiah could have gotten w/those... could've worked out nice or could've been nothing to write home about too... he's a good judge of young talent, so i'm guessing he didn't think there were any great talents to be taken that low... i don't pass up on a Curry deal over haggling about 2 second round picks obviously.

in Eddy Curry, we finally have an exciting young player that literally dominates down low in the post... for the longest time people have been harping over the fact that the Knicks' biggest need was just that... he's 1 of the players on this team that really gives me hope for the future, & that's not something i've been able to say for a while... Curry, D Lee, Q Rich, Balkman & Jamal are guys i have no problem rooting for.

so it all comes down to whether or not the Knicks win the lottery & a chance at Oden (if he even comes out that is) for me... that will be the ultimate deciding factor, but as it looks now, i don't think we would have had a realistic shot at him to begin with.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-12-2007 11:45 AM]

Posted by TMS:

i look at the trade like this:

Tim Thomas = complete & utter waste of space on this team & a disgrace to the Knicks' uniform... i wanted him out in the worst way imaginable

Mike Sweetney = highly overrated player by many on this forum that i never thought would grow into a dominant presence downlow for us... always struck me as a bit role player off the bench at best, & his defensive deficiencies were just as pronounced as Curry's also... you know i wasn't crazy about him being picked by Layden to begin with... wasn't unhappy at all that we traded him

#2 overall pick (Ty Thomas) = already stated i think Curry has bigger upside than Ty Thomas or anyone else we could have had at that spot last year, & that's including Gay, Morrison, Aldridge, Foye & everyone else

2 second rounders = didn't know that was part of the deal, but it is what it is... who knows what Isiah could have gotten w/those... could've worked out nice or could've been nothing to write home about too... he's a good judge of young talent, so i'm guessing he didn't think there were any great talents to be taken that low... i don't pass up on a Curry deal over haggling about 2 second round picks obviously.

in Eddy Curry, we finally have an exciting young player that literally dominates down low in the post... for the longest time people have been harping over the fact that the Knicks' biggest need was just that... he's 1 of the players on this team that really gives me hope for the future, & that's not something i've been able to say for a while... Curry, D Lee, Q Rich, Balkman & Jamal are guys i have no problem rooting for.

so it all comes down to whether or not the Knicks win the lottery & a chance at Oden (if he even comes out that is) for me... that will be the ultimate deciding factor, but as it looks now, i don't think we would have had a realistic shot at him to begin with.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-12-2007 11:45 AM]

you minimize each of those pieces we gave chicago one by one, but together do they add up to curry? ty thomas's D plus sweets' low post O plus someone this year (top-flight young PG?) plus a role player from one of the two 2nd rders. i think all that had the chance to give us a more complete team. i have more faith in IT drafting with those resources than banking in a marquee addition. but it's totally arguable.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-12-2007 12:39 PM]