Posted by babyKnicks:

I can't believe it...I got sucked in.

Apologies.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by holfresh:

Well if you thought the addition of Marbury to that group of about 6 guys no longer in the NBA was going to lead the Knicks back to their winning tradition then you don't know much about basketball...

another misinterpretation of my comment. I said I wanted Marbury to come here & help to change the culture around here & be a main reason for a return to a winning tradition... so far he has not done it, nor has he been the type of team player to help to manifest that outcome... if you can't read the comments the way they're written yourself it's probably best not to comment on other people's knowledge of basketball.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by bigbeast:

TMS- you said 2.5 yrs of failure to reach expectations.....Curious...what were your expectations of those teams?

Again, it's not those teams I expected things out of necessarily. I realized the roster that the Anti-Christ Layden left us with. This is about my expectations for him. There were trumpets blaring all over the city when he came here, let's be real about it. He himself was bragging about how things were going to be different now that he was coming home to play at the Garden. The dark days of the Layden years were over, or so he wanted everyone to think. I fell for it hook, line & sinker man, I really did. I thought this guy was gonna turn it all around, both for his own image as well as for the image of the franchise. I never thought both those things would get worse.

You wanna know what I expected out of him? I expected Marbury to be the leader this team desperately needed. I expected him to be a franchise calibre player that we were all looking for after Ewing left. I wanted him to shed that bad rep of being a selfish player & put his mind towards growing up & be a positive face for the franchise. I thought all this would happen because this was going to be his last chance to get it right, where he'd failed in these aspects in all the other stops along the way. I still expect all these things out of Marbury, & unless I can definitely say he's accomplished these things over the long haul (NOT just over the span of 2 months) & helped to put this team back on the right track in terms of being a legitimate contender in the Eastern Conference, I'm going to continue to harp on this guy's deficiencies & hold him to a different standard than the rest of these guys. Afterall, he's the highest paid player on this team, he's supposedly the most talented player, & he's got the most to prove. I believe guys like Allan Houston & Patrick Ewing before him were held to a similar standard by most Knick fans, & rightfully so. The difference is those guys were able to lead their teams to relevance in the NBA. Let's see if Marbury can get it right for once this season, because he sure hasn't done a good job of it since he's been here.

& Don't give me this stuff about Marbury not having the right talent around him to succeed either. His attitude has been piss poor ever since Isiah made that KVH trade. His head swelled to momentous proportions & he began to take on that feeling of entitlement again. Then came his infamous proclamation that I don't need to go into any further I'm sure.

So far over the past 2 months, he's been great. Let's see him do what he's doing over the course of an entire season & lead this team deep into the playoffs. IMO, this team has the talent to do it. So do it.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by bigbeast:

TMS- you said 2.5 yrs of failure to reach expectations.....Curious...what were your expectations of those teams?

Again, it's not those teams I expected things out of necessarily. I realized the roster that the Anti-Christ Layden left us with. This is about my expectations for him. There were trumpets blaring all over the city when he came here, let's be real about it. He himself was bragging about how things were going to be different now that he was coming home to play at the Garden. The dark days of the Layden years were over, or so he wanted everyone to think. I fell for it hook, line & sinker man, I really did. I thought this guy was gonna turn it all around, both for his own image as well as for the image of the franchise. I never thought both those things would get worse.

You wanna know what I expected out of him? I expected Marbury to be the leader this team desperately needed. I expected him to be a franchise calibre player that we were all looking for after Ewing left. I wanted him to shed that bad rep of being a selfish player & put his mind towards growing up & be a positive face for the franchise. I thought all this would happen because this was going to be his last chance to get it right, where he'd failed in these aspects in all the other stops along the way. I still expect all these things out of Marbury, & unless I can definitely say he's accomplished these things over the long haul (NOT just over the span of 2 months) & helped to put this team back on the right track in terms of being a legitimate contender in the Eastern Conference, I'm going to continue to harp on this guy's deficiencies & hold him to a different standard than the rest of these guys. Afterall, he's the highest paid player on this team, he's supposedly the most talented player, & he's got the most to prove. I believe guys like Allan Houston & Patrick Ewing before him were held to a similar standard by most Knick fans, & rightfully so. The difference is those guys were able to lead their teams to relevance in the NBA. Let's see if Marbury can get it right for once this season, because he sure hasn't done a good job of it since he's been here.

& Don't give me this stuff about Marbury not having the right talent around him to succeed either. His attitude has been piss poor ever since Isiah made that KVH trade. His head swelled to momentous proportions & he began to take on that feeling of entitlement again. Then came his infamous proclamation that I don't need to go into any further I'm sure.

So far over the past 2 months, he's been great. Let's see him do what he's doing over the course of an entire season & lead this team deep into the playoffs. IMO, this team has the talent to do it. So do it.

Outstanding post. Definitely the best post I've seen all week. Well done and well explained.

Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree with most of it but definitely not the last part. This team has way too many flaws to go deep in the playoffs even if Marbury does everything you could ever ask of him. If he does everything you could ask him to, the team might make it to the 1st round.