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1/9/2007  9:59 AM
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1/9/2007  10:01 AM
Posted by izybx:
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So all of Marbury's previous coaches weren't interested in coaching him. Sure, got it.

Are you trying to tell me LB did a good job of coaching Marbury? How about Lee? How about Curry? How about ANYBODY?

i think you are underestimating the marbury juice card. there were problems from training camp as an "insider" was saying how steph was already rolling his eyes at lb during walkthroughs.

and marbury admitted himself he stopped listening early in the season. if you have your STAR player, who's also boys with the GM, not playing nice with the coach, that is going to filter through the lockerroom. who are the players more likely to accept and believe? one of their own, who's nice with the GM or a d ckhead of a coach?

it was a clusterfcuk last year and it starts with the lb/marbury relationship which lead to an lb/isiah meltdown.
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1/9/2007  10:04 AM
If a team tunes out a coach its the coach's fault. I understand that Marbury is a headcase, but as a coach you have to treat players differently. Isiah is doing a better job in getting his team to play. LB just didnt get it done, bottom line.
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1/9/2007  10:08 AM
Posted by izybx:

If a team tunes out a coach its the coach's fault. I understand that Marbury is a headcase, but as a coach you have to treat players differently. Isiah is doing a better job in getting his team to play. LB just didnt get it done, bottom line.

You know that saying about how you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink? Well Isiah can because he's the GM and there are no more excuses for the players, especially Marbury. Notice Isiah waiving the players that Brown wanted gone but didn't have the power to go it.
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1/9/2007  10:15 AM
So you think LB did as good a job as Isiah is doing this year coaching? You actually believe that?
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1/9/2007  10:17 AM
In all honesty what many fail to realize is that we were going to win games no matter what this year because Eddy Curry came into camp in better shape than he was last year. Richardson's mind is clearer, he was getting over a breakup with his finacee, lost his brother and had his worst year as a professional.

Also you have players like Nate, Eddy, Channing, Lee, Davis, etc all players you are plugging into a new system and a new team. Your starting center misses all of training camp and the team never really gets feel for each other.......

Isiah is trash no getting around it, most coaches don't have the luxury to spend 23 millionm dollars to get rid of players that might undermine what he is doing and make a tremendous problem with the rotation.....And guess what if Francis doesn't get hurt we don't win a bunch of these games for the mere fact that you can't get comfortable when you are getting pulled in and out of the lineup as an example like Isiah was doing with Marbury to try to show everyone he will even bench his own son to get what he wants.....

Yes Larry did a terrible job, but Crawford was showing serious positive signs of becoming a complete player, Q's defense and leadership qualities grew under larry, and in todays nba has nothing to do with coaching its all about player managment. The only time coaching comes into play is with a young team that isn't playing for their money or one of the few instance other than maybe the class organizations in the nba who want to win a championship...
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1/9/2007  10:17 AM
Posted by izybx:

So you think LB did as good a job as Isiah is doing this year coaching? You actually believe that?

no, but there were mitigating circumstances.

i made this thread a few days ago:
isiah had an ultimatum put on him from dolan, so he is clearly behind the 8 ball. the media are sharks in the water just waiting for the first drop of blood. he also has a sexual harrassment suit against him and the garden. to put that out of mind is a huge task. to have that not weighing on your mind and proceed with doing your job takes an immense amount of inner strength and pride.

with that said, isiah the coach has had many advantages (off court related) that isiah the gm's previous coaches didn't have:

1. a guy standing in the aisle looking over his shoulder
2. the most influential guy in the lockerroom and franchise player BY HIS SIDE instead of on the other side of the line.
3. removing lockerroom distractions by having the luxury of sending jalen, mo and francis home.

so all isiah has to concentrate on is coaching and that's it.

and not to mention players, KEY PLAYERS (curry and quentin), showing up in shape.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-09-2007 10:18 AM]
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1/9/2007  10:20 AM
Some of you guys just look for any reason to hate Isiah. At least I can say LB sucked as a coach and Isiah sucks as GM. Just admit LB sucked last year and it was his own fault.
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1/9/2007  10:25 AM
Posted by MS:

In all honesty what many fail to realize is that we were going to win games no matter what this year because Eddy Curry came into camp in better shape than he was last year.

Also you have players like Nate, Eddy, Channing, Lee, Davis, etc all players you are plugging into a new system and a new team.

Isiah is trash no getting around it

as a GM, you have a better argument, but as a head coach, i fail to see how Isiah's training camp & the new system he installed could not have had at least some part to do with those things you're talking about... other than his mind boggling benching of D Lee & Q Rich, i fail to see how Isiah's done such a horrible job as a head coach this season... the players seem much closer as a unit & are giving a much more consistent effort on the basketball court for the most part... any head coach has to get credit for things like that.

Yes Larry did a terrible job, but Crawford was showing serious positive signs of becoming a complete player

wow, did u just make a positive comment about Jamal? i think i might have to bookmark this thread for future reference dude.


Q's defense and leadership qualities grew under larry, and in todays nba has nothing to do with coaching its all about player managment.

so LB did a good job in Q's case, but Isiah doesn't deserve any credit for Q's defense & leadership this season? maybe it's more Q deserving the credit for taking it unto himself to become that defender & leader this team needed, & for fighting through his career worse season last year & improve as a player this season?
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1/9/2007  10:43 AM
Posted by izybx:

Some of you guys just look for any reason to hate Isiah. At least I can say LB sucked as a coach and Isiah sucks as GM. Just admit LB sucked last year and it was his own fault.

He was at fault the most, by far, but he certainly wasn't the only one at fault.

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1/9/2007  10:44 AM
Posted by K22:
Posted by izybx:

Some of you guys just look for any reason to hate Isiah. At least I can say LB sucked as a coach and Isiah sucks as GM. Just admit LB sucked last year and it was his own fault.

He was at fault the most, by far, but he certainly wasn't the only one at fault.

In any situation is it only one persons fault? I just dont understand how people still try to defend him.
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1/9/2007  10:46 AM
In any situation is it only one persons fault? I just dont understand how people still try to defend him.

I'll do you one better. I don't undertstand how people still care about him.

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1/9/2007  10:50 AM
Posted by K22:
In any situation is it only one persons fault? I just dont understand how people still try to defend him.

I'll do you one better. I don't undertstand how people still care about him.

Lol, you win!
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1/9/2007  10:52 AM
Posted by K22:
In any situation is it only one persons fault? I just dont understand how people still try to defend him.

I'll do you one better. I don't undertstand how people still care about him.

I doubt anyone does. People are just tired of the blind love of Isiah, and the obvious double standard, where everyone except Isiah is held accountable. Why does Isiah always get a pass from some people? Make much sense? The standards some posters are holding Larry Brown to are not even close to the same standards these posters hold Isiah to. Is it really possible to have a rational discussion under those circumstances?

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 09 2007 10:53 AM]
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1/9/2007  11:12 AM
We know that larry did a terrible job, but it doesn't help when there is a battle going on with coach and gm.....

Everyone is so excited about the knicks this year, they are more fun to watch, they are playing hard? (so hard that he get waxed right away in nearly all of our games) of course they going to play better as a unit the more they play with each other.......

Two wins game against memphis without gasol, one win against Atlanta without johnson and childress, so you can deposit, 3 wins right away, so if we make some progress this year and don't get above 35 wins i will give isiah credit, but he has a very deep team, that has talent and the entire conference is banged up, there is no reason not to take advantage
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1/9/2007  4:51 PM
Last year we were swept 3-0 by the luminous Charlotte Bobcats.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/9/2007  4:57 PM
Posted by kam77:

Last year we were swept 3-0 by the luminous Charlotte Bobcats.

We won 23 games and had a terrible year. What's your point?
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1/9/2007  5:01 PM
My point was from the MS post above where he gifted Isiah's Knicks with wins over Memphis and Atlanta when we couldn't even get the easy ones last year.

"Two wins game against memphis without gasol, one win against Atlanta without johnson and childress, so you can deposit, 3 wins right away"-MS

Last year I expected 3 wins against the Bobcats but we got zero. This year we're winning the games you'd think we should win.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/9/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by kam77:

My point was from the MS post above where he gifted Isiah's Knicks with wins over Memphis and Atlanta when we couldn't even get the easy ones last year.

"Two wins game against memphis without gasol, one win against Atlanta without johnson and childress, so you can deposit, 3 wins right away"-MS

Last year I expected 3 wins against the Bobcats but we got zero. This year we're winning the games you'd think we should win.

Otay. We're winning more games than last year too. We've also lost some games I would've thought we should've won this year, so there's improvements to be made. Being better than last year is not progress. Last year was chaos. If that's our gold standard, we're in pretty bad shape.
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1/10/2007  1:20 PM
Name the games we lost that we should have won this year?

Toronto in the Garden? Atlanta in Atlanta? OK i'll give you those games. Otherwise 10-10 in our last 20, when that 5-11 start saw four losses to Houton and San Antonio.

So take the losses to Atlanta and Toronto if you like, add in the 4 losses to the Western Powers, and we're exactly a .500 team.

Last year we consistently not only lost to teams we should beat, we routinely were beat midway through the third quarter and gave up.

Its on the coach to get the most out of his players. I don't care who LB wanted to waive, he took the job with knowledge of the roster.

Stolen Money!

[Edited by - kam77 on 01-10-2007 1:21 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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