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islesfan
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1/7/2007  10:24 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm pretty sure that Isiah had something to do with last year's record.

I really should stop being so unfair by taking Isiah's record in whole. I really should just pick and choose what games I want to count and which I don't want to count.

I think thats fine really..you should use it as a whole..That way I can compare last's year team with this years team featuring the same players basically...

Like I said:

The only reason people are stuck to it (last year) is because when you compare anything to something really bad it can only look good in comparison.

And the people who are stuck to it desperately want to pretend that things are going great no matter how they really are.
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1/7/2007  10:28 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm pretty sure that Isiah had something to do with last year's record.

I really should stop being so unfair by taking Isiah's record in whole. I really should just pick and choose what games I want to count and which I don't want to count.

I think thats fine really..you should use it as a whole..That way I can compare last's year team with this years team featuring the same players basically...

Like I said:

The only reason people are stuck to it (last year) is because when you compare anything to something really bad it can only look good in comparison.

And the people who are stuck to it desperately want to pretend that things are going great no matter how they really are.

Oh I get it...You want to use last year to show how bad Isiah is but I can't use it to show the improvement...I see how this works...
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1/7/2007  10:38 PM
No, I'm using last year as a part of the whole.

Unlike you, who wants to solely use last year as a point of comparison.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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1/7/2007  11:23 PM
>>No, I'm using last year as a part of the whole.

Progress is a gradual thing. There is no such thing as a franchise player quick fix.

1946

Future Hall of Famer Joe Lapchick replaced Neil Cohalan as coach for the franchise's second season, and he led the Knicks to the second of nine consecutive playoff appearances. From his first season at the helm the club showed steady progress, improving from 26 wins to 32 and then 40 in successive campaigns.

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islesfan
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1/7/2007  11:34 PM
Just wondering but what was the salary cap number in 1946?
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1/7/2007  11:35 PM
Part of The Whole Part 2 (pre-salary cap)

1960-61 Rock Bottom, a franchise-low 21 victories.

In 1961-62 Knicks were 29-51

The 1962-63 Knicks finished at 21-59.

The following season (1963-64) 22-58.

1964-65 the Knicks went 31-49 but found a center in Willis Reed

The 1965-66 Knicks finished at 30-50.

The Knicks improved slightly in 1966-67, to 36-45

William "Red" Holzman replaced Dick McGuire as coach midway through the 1967-68 season. After half a season under McGuire, New York was 15-22.

Holzman led the same group of players to an immediate turnaround and a 28-17 finish. They ended with a 43-39 record, the team's first winning season since 1958-59.

Seven Years




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islesfan
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1/7/2007  11:38 PM
How many years did Scott Layden get?

Did you think that he deserved a full 7 years?
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1/7/2007  11:39 PM
And what about Al Bianchi?

Scotty Stirling?

Did they deserve 7 years apiece?
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1/7/2007  11:42 PM
Isles - Can you name a single productive Knicks transaction during the Layden tenure?

By productive, the transaction you cite should be an upgrade.

Just one.

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1/7/2007  11:43 PM


Ernie Grunfeld deserved to stay.

Instead he was wacked by Checketts and JVG.
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1/7/2007  11:47 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Isles - Can you name a single productive Knicks transaction during the Layden tenure?

By productive, the transaction you cite should be an upgrade.

Just one.

That's not your point.

Your point was 7 years.

Try to stay on point for once.
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1/7/2007  11:51 PM
>>Try to stay on point for once.

Islesfan - you funny
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1/7/2007  11:52 PM
Your question was whether Layden deserved 7 years.

Hell no.
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1/7/2007  11:52 PM
The Knicks are close to being a pack team rather than a horrible team. That's it.
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1/7/2007  11:53 PM
Al Bianchi - get real
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1/7/2007  11:58 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Your question was whether Layden deserved 7 years.

Hell no.

Neither does Isiah.
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1/8/2007  12:01 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

Your question was whether Layden deserved 7 years.

Hell no.

Neither does Isiah.

Not at this point. The only issue is whether or not he deserves a fourth year.
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1/8/2007  8:32 AM
Islesfan - I understand you don't like the direction the Knicks are headed. I get it.

It's one thing to complain ad nauseum about the current Knicks performance, in spite of the evidence to contrary that Curry, Jamal, Balkman and Lee are showing positive signs....

... Quite another to offer a viable alternative strategy.

Not a GM you feel more comfortable with...

a strategy.

Forget the names for a second. Forget Isiah Thomas. Just think skill-sets.

What would be your strategy if you owned the Knicks?

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1/8/2007  8:42 AM
I have no idea what you guys are ranting about. Give the players a clean slate? I don't even know what that means Holfresh. What do you mean, give the players a clean slate? Players got a clean slate from everyone on this website when we pretty much all came in at the exact same predictions for this years performance. I still don't think I understand how one person's 35-40 wins is giving the team a clean slate while another's is being to hard on the players. The players quit last year. They have tried hard for the most part this year. When I say that doesn't that mean I'm giving them a clean slate or is there something else I'm supposed to say to satisfy your anti-knick paranoia?

All I know is that when I made my expectations for this year I did not use last year as a baseline for what I expected this year. I used the roster as my baseline. I looked at the roster and said they should win x amount of games. My expectations were between 35-38 wins. I would not be surprised by 31 wins and I would not be surprised by 42 wins. From the beginning we all felt they would try harder because last year was a mess. We all felt they would gel better because last year was a mess. We all felt the young guys would improve as the season went on. Noone on this website felt that we would come close to a repeat of last year. So why are we using it as a baseline?

I think we should be focused on where we stand as a team. Where do we stand right now and how do we get to the next level. What changes do we have to make in the future to make things better. What things do we do well and what things do we do poorly right now and taking an honest assessment. Not comparing anything to a season where the GM put together a poor mix, the coach didn't want to coach that team and the players didn't want to play. Anything would have been better.

I just hope that people will like me
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1/8/2007  8:53 AM
The Next Level

"Last year there was a lot of discord in the locker room, top to bottom," Rose said. "This year at least everybody is pleasant around one another. Everyone can talk to one another... Isiah's done a great job calming the waters."

Bippity, well stated.

So, as the Knicks owner, or team President, what would be your strategy to get to the next level?
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