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EnySpree
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If you want David Lee to start let it be known.
start him now! what is the hold up
he is better off the bench
trade him he sucks
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kam77
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1/3/2007  5:24 PM
Maybe if Frye can be allowed to have the rest of the year as a starter, you'd see his shooting get better and some other areas of his game improve.

Remember Frye has been adjusting this year to defenses realizing what he is. Frye also missed 1/4 of the season last year and missed some games this year and should be given more than a handful of games to find his game.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/3/2007  5:26 PM
Posted by kam77:

Maybe if Frye can be allowed to have the rest of the year as a starter, you'd see his shooting get better and some other areas of his game improve.

Remember Frye has been adjusting this year to defenses realizing what he is. Frye also missed 1/4 of the season last year and missed some games this year and should be given more than a handful of games to find his game.

I hate to tell you but this is who Channing Frye is. I watched Frye a lot in college and from the day he stepped foot onto a college court to the day he left, his game didn't change. He's a shooting big man who doesn't do much else. He'll get a couple boards and he might block a shot a game but this is exactly who Channing Frye is. Going to Arizona in the Pac10 really hurt his game because he moved into a guardplay and jumpshooting conference and that is what he became.
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1/3/2007  5:30 PM
So you let someone start to improve his game instead of the person that deserves to play. Why wouldnt you let Frye come off the bench and play against lesser players to get his shot off. Lee has people face guarding him and their job is keeping him off the boards, and it doesnt seem to work. Frye isnt the focal point of defenses Curry is and he still cant put up big numbers. Lee didnt play a 1/4 of the season last year because of Larry Brown so what is the excuse for him?
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1/3/2007  6:41 PM
^^ THat is truely the biggest point to why Frye should go to the second unit. Last game in the third quarter we had a second unit of Rose, Lee, JJ2 and Mardy. Frye could have been a big time scorer with those guys instead of getting it the way with Curry on the floor,
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Masterplan
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1/3/2007  7:56 PM
Posted by kam77:

Shooting is a skill.

so is rebounding
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1/3/2007  7:57 PM
Lee has a skill that he is top 10 in the league. Frye has not one skill that will put him there.
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1/3/2007  9:52 PM
Frye can score 30pts without breaking a sweat
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/3/2007  9:53 PM
Posted by kam77:

Frye can score 30pts without breaking a sweat

true, but we don't need what Frye brings as much as we need what Lee brings.
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1/3/2007  9:56 PM
nyk4ever

If we can argue we have seen Frye's ceiling already. Just a big man shooter, soft defender. Then what about DLees ceiling? Hustle man, putback guy. Never gonna be anything more. Never gonna be able to defend a post.

I'm not down for limiting either of these players. Both have the potential to be more than what we see today. Both can improve their weaknesses, but only one is an offensive threat that can spread the floor and keep taller defenders out of the paint. Which by the way, helps hustle guys like Lee get rebounds.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/3/2007  9:58 PM
crzy,

How do we know that? What if the answer to the double teams Curry is seeing is more shooters on the floor and better spacing? I see defenders cheating off David lee to go cover Eddy Curry.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/3/2007  10:00 PM
Posted by kam77:

crzy,

How do we know that? What if the answer to the double teams Curry is seeing is more shooters on the floor and better spacing? I see defenders cheating off David lee to go cover Eddy Curry.

we know that by looking at our record when Lee starts over the last two seasons.

if they cheat off Lee, it's pretty much an automatic offensive rebound for the NYK.

like my signature says, I'd like to see the super front line anyway.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-03-2007 10:00 PM]
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1/3/2007  10:02 PM
they never double with Lee guy they face guard him they double with a guard or JJ man. If you dont think Lee will be a better defender you're wrong. He is a better post defender than Frye they have him playing the 3 and out of position. Put Frye on these guys and see what would happen.
kam77
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1/3/2007  10:04 PM
I love David lee, i want to say that again. I'm not hating on him, but he is so good as the spark that gets the crowd going. They anticipate his arrival into the game and always cheer. There is something to be said for that. Its great to have a good bench. Early on it was the highest scoring bench in the league. Sparkplugs belong on the bench because they can come in dry at any moment and give you energy with their hustle that whips the crowd into a frenzy.

Jeffries and Frye aren't sparkplugs.

N8, Balkman, Lee are.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/3/2007  10:04 PM
How about not turn the ball over and rebound without breaking a sweat. Shooting 40% he will need about 30 shots to get that 30 points
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1/3/2007  10:53 PM
Posted by kam77:

nyk4ever

If we can argue we have seen Frye's ceiling already. Just a big man shooter, soft defender. Then what about DLees ceiling? Hustle man, putback guy. Never gonna be anything more. Never gonna be able to defend a post.

I'm not down for limiting either of these players. Both have the potential to be more than what we see today. Both can improve their weaknesses, but only one is an offensive threat that can spread the floor and keep taller defenders out of the paint. Which by the way, helps hustle guys like Lee get rebounds.

Not at all. I saw David Lee in college as well and didn't think he was anything special, I wasn't really in favor of the draftpick when Isiah drafted him, glad he's turned out as well as he has. Lee has shown an absolute improvement from his game in college to his game in the NBA. Frye on the other hand is the same thing that he was in 2001 when he played his first game at Arizona. A SG who is 6'11.

Of course I agree that both CAN improve and I hope both improve, without a doubt. At the same time, I've seen Frye alot the last 5 years and I haven't seen his game change all that much which leads me to believe he has a much lesser chance of improving. I hope I'm wrong.
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1/4/2007  12:17 AM
I'll say this for Zeke, at least he's played Lee more as his play has improved:

25mpg in November
35mpg in December

if Lee keeps playing 35mpg off the bench, that's at least acceptable. still, he should start. we fell behind to Portland tonight with Jefferies starting.
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1/4/2007  9:51 AM
Posted by kam77:

I love David lee, i want to say that again. I'm not hating on him, but he is so good as the spark that gets the crowd going. They anticipate his arrival into the game and always cheer. There is something to be said for that. Its great to have a good bench. Early on it was the highest scoring bench in the league. Sparkplugs belong on the bench because they can come in dry at any moment and give you energy with their hustle that whips the crowd into a frenzy.

Jeffries and Frye aren't sparkplugs.

N8, Balkman, Lee are.

i thought we played some pretty good if sporadic ball last season with nate starting.

the team plays well with lee on the floor. the team plays poorly to start games. i have an idea...
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1/5/2007  9:33 AM
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1/5/2007  10:00 AM
START DAVID LEE!!! *cough* Hi Mom *cough*
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1/5/2007  2:50 PM
On behalf of Martin and Andrew, I would like to thank all the little people they stepped on along the way....

....maybe on of them can design a seach feature.
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