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Is this kid Frye a keeper or what fellas? Can we stop trading him for Tuna Melt? oohah
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King1
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12/28/2006  9:11 AM
I will still say trade Lee or Frye and get rid of a bad contract. You can get a perimeter defensive player and win more games.
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12/28/2006  9:13 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Frye had a good year last year. He recovered from his injury and is putting up good numbers. There is no reason to think he wont continue from last year. Frye will be fine. People love to overreact around here oohah. My favorite one was someone saying "I would rather have Sam Dalembert instead of Eddy Curry."

I would still consider that.
You would consider it but you would never do it unless you are getting back more than just Dalembert. There is no comparison. Sam is a finished product. Eddy improved his offense and rebounding is going to improve his defense.
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12/28/2006  9:18 AM
How do you know Sam is a finished product? He's still a shotblocker who keeps people out of the paint, better defender, better rebounder. Right now, what do we need?

I'm impressed with Curry's work, but I'm absolutely not on the "He's untradeable wagon."

Look at it this way. Curry = Offensive scoring specialist who's defense and rebounding sucks ars and hasn't improve one bit. Dalembert = Defensive and hustling specialist who's scoring and passing sucks ars hasn't improved one bit.

It's a matter of picking your poison. If you'd trade Curry for Sam, then Frye is your main big man option, and that's what a lot of us have wanted. Plus it puts him in the low post and that's something we've been calling on too.

You can make the Same case about trading Frye for Sam D, but I think Frye is gonna improve on his defense and rebounding, so I'd wouldn't jump the gun on that.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 12-28-2006 09:20 AM]
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12/28/2006  9:31 AM
Frye deserves all the credit in the world last night on the offensive end, he had a big hook shot down the stretch, a huge game tying shot, and big free throws....

Still very disapointed in his ability to box out his man, we should have lost the game last night on a Nazy put back, Frye is just jumping for rebounds he needs to learn how to get the ball when it comes off the rim....we gave up far to many offensive rebounds last night

But anytime you get a win like that it doesn't really matter
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12/28/2006  10:20 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

How do you know Sam is a finished product?
because he cannot develop a post game on offense. Curry can become a better defender.

EDIT: Curry is nowhere near being untradeable. I will listen to any trade offer but you better be bringing someone twice as good as Sam Dalembert if you want Eddy Curry.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-28-2006 10:21 AM]
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12/28/2006  10:26 AM
I voted yes, but there was a point earlier in the season where I did not see any passion in Frye's play. He seems to have put that pass him. The point about his rebounding and boxing I agree with. I would add that he needs to be more of a shot blocker.
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12/28/2006  10:32 AM
Frye gets plenty of rebounds when he is down low. The fact is he is a shooter who is played away from the basket and is not usually in position for the offensive boards. If you look at his rebounding stats last season and this season, you'll see that he is no worse than an average rebounder, which I think is pretty good for a guy who plays outside.

Last night, he came up with a load of big boards down the stretch. I know Nazr Mohammed got some too, but Mohammed is a guy who has had games with 30/20 and the like. He is a good rebounder, and Frye's thin self was battling with him. It was Frye getting the boards down the stretch just as much as Lee, and more than Curry.

When he mans the middle, it is evident that Frye is not soft nor a poor rebounder. When he is outside, it is evident that he is a gifted shooter.

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[Edited by - oohah on 28-12-2006 10:33 AM]
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12/28/2006  10:36 AM
Anytime the knicks needed a tough rebound in traffic lee came up with it, Frye had a big block late, but his hands are unbelievably weak, and he did get beat down low nearly every time he was inside, but a clutch shot is a clutch shot so he played well
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12/28/2006  10:38 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Frye had a good year last year. He recovered from his injury and is putting up good numbers. There is no reason to think he wont continue from last year. Frye will be fine. People love to overreact around here oohah. My favorite one was someone saying "I would rather have Sam Dalembert instead of Eddy Curry."

I would still consider that.

So would I. It's scary that the team looks its best often with Curry on the bench and Lee and Frye at PF and C.
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12/28/2006  10:55 AM
Posted by MS:

Anytime the knicks needed a tough rebound in traffic lee came up with it, Frye had a big block late, but his hands are unbelievably weak, and he did get beat down low nearly every time he was inside, but a clutch shot is a clutch shot so he played well

You didn't see Frye come up with any clutch rebounds in traffic yesterday? It was all Lee? I don't know if I can argue with that except to say that it isn't so.

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12/28/2006  11:12 AM
Frye had a few good rebounds but he and Curry had huge problems boxing out Nazr.
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12/28/2006  11:19 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Frye had a few good rebounds but he and Curry had huge problems boxing out Nazr.

Why not include Lee in that mix too? Wasn't he down low with Mohammed at times? McDyess got a bunch of serious boards as well. The Pistons have some good rebounders, Mohammed is one of them. He is capable of putting up some pretty big numbers. He will get some nice offensive boards, just like he did when he was here. I think Nazr should get some credit for being a good rebounder, not just blaming Frye or Curry for not boxing him out. Just as we should give the Knicks credit for the rebounds they got down the stretch.

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12/28/2006  11:33 AM
Frye reminds me alot of Eli Manning... he's got a ton of talent, & sometimes he makes some great plays & looks like a winner... then other times i look at him & he looks like a little kid playing w/grownups, w/that deer in the headlight look in his face.

i don't know if i'll ever be able to say i love the guy... i usually prefer more fiery passionate type players, or guys who show some physical & mental toughness on the floor even if they're not the most vocal... i don't see these things in Frye as much as i once thought i did... he seemed alot more passionate a player last season when he was dunking on people & driving to the hole aggressively... he's becoming more & more a finesse type player, which is fine (Allan Houston was a finesse player but he was 1 of my alltime favorites)... i don't see that leadership in Frye however that i did in even keeled guys like Charlie Ward, Allan Houston, etc... maybe that will develop in time, but as of now, i can't say that i would shed a tear to see him traded if it meant getting back a young talented player who could help the frontcourt defensive toughness & block shots. (never once did advocate trading him for crap though)
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12/28/2006  11:42 AM
Well, Frye has had one really good game after being putrid all season, so the right thing to do is refuse to trade him in any deal no matter what. Obviously.
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12/28/2006  11:45 AM
Frye Putrid?

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12/28/2006  12:00 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Frye had a few good rebounds but he and Curry had huge problems boxing out Nazr.

Why not include Lee in that mix too? Wasn't he down low with Mohammed at times? McDyess got a bunch of serious boards as well. The Pistons have some good rebounders, Mohammed is one of them. He is capable of putting up some pretty big numbers. He will get some nice offensive boards, just like he did when he was here. I think Nazr should get some credit for being a good rebounder, not just blaming Frye or Curry for not boxing him out. Just as we should give the Knicks credit for the rebounds they got down the stretch.

oohah

Lee was getting by Nazr as well. I don't know people won't just say Nazr was doing a great job getting boards. IT's not the knicks are the onlying team trying to get the ball.
Do some of you have no shame????
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12/28/2006  12:02 PM
Lee was getting by Nazr as well. I don't know people won't just say Nazr was doing a great job getting boards. IT's not the knicks are the onlying team trying to get the ball.
Do some of you have no shame????

Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

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12/28/2006  12:08 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

the most important development of the last few weeks has been that Frye and Curry have learned to play their games together - on the floor at the same time.

I was saying last season that Frye and Curry learning to play together would be the most important factor in this team's success and it's looking like they're finally getting it. of course, Steph and Jamal have both done a great job feeding them both.

Yeah, I said this before too. If Frye can hit is outside shot, our offense cannot be stopped b/c no team is going to consistently stop, Curry, Frye, and Marbury on offense. Frye has only scratched the surface of his offensive potential. If our guards would give him the ball a little more on the block, people would see that he has a pretty solid lowpost game. That is why I opposed trading him. I would rather have the team get some coaches to work with him on his strength, rebounding technique, and lateral quickness, to get him to the point to where he can be efective as a power forward.
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12/28/2006  3:23 PM
Posted by oohah:
Lee was getting by Nazr as well. I don't know people won't just say Nazr was doing a great job getting boards. IT's not the knicks are the onlying team trying to get the ball.
Do some of you have no shame????

Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

oohah

I don'tknow.................... Nan,I agree. Frye, Lee and Curry should have grabbed more boards. THe knicks were getting out worked by the pistons of the boards last night. NOt Just Frye and Curry. I will say I wish Curry would have just snitched one of those boards that Nazr got......... just one!!!!!!
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12/28/2006  3:35 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by oohah:
Lee was getting by Nazr as well. I don't know people won't just say Nazr was doing a great job getting boards. IT's not the knicks are the onlying team trying to get the ball.
Do some of you have no shame????

Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

oohah

I don'tknow.................... Nan,I agree. Frye, Lee and Curry should have grabbed more boards. THe knicks were getting out worked by the pistons of the boards last night. NOt Just Frye and Curry. I will say I wish Curry would have just snitched one of those boards that Nazr got......... just one!!!!!!

Okay, I think I understand what you wrote when I re-read it.

It is strange how things get characterized based on a player's current popularity. Lee is a great rebounder so it must have been Frye or Curry who couldn't box out Mohammed or McDyess, or got scored on, or whatever. Or, the other team is in the NBA too so they are going to get some nice boards, score, etc.

I don't understand why we can't just root for all the players on our team.

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