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When to praise Isiah and when to blame Isiah.
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misterearl
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12/28/2006  10:03 AM
anrst - to be blinded by hate is a terrible thing

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anrst
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12/28/2006  10:05 AM
Posted by misterearl:

anrst - to be blinded by hate is a terrible thing

open your eyes and you can see better

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12/28/2006  10:17 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Wow, rvhoss/babyknicks can compete with Bippity/BoBo for "Mr. Split Personality of the year!"

I am not Bobo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12/28/2006  12:04 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:
Posted by simrud:

what did rv get banned for anyways?

from what I read it was because islesfan had it in for him and at the time martin was in agreement with islesfan and fishmike and rvhoss used to have some over the top discussions.

but it was islesfan that led the parade...I think everyone banned during the "rule of negativity (islesfan, uk mafia) should be unbanned.

I have to admit, they were the only positive posters at the time and now that the knicks seem to be turning it around, they won't be forced to battle islesfan's negativity and they can simply enjoy posting and sharing ideas.

either way though...I am just me baby... babyknicks!

Loser.

If I were a moderator you, meaning rvhoss/babyKnicks/rvwinks/and any other name you post under would never be allowed to post here again. So instead of bashing Martin and Andrew, maybe you should kiss their asses for being compassionate for losers like yourself and letting you keep posting here.
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Bippity10
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12/28/2006  12:39 PM
Isles why do you worry about it so much. It's like posting with kids. Some of these guys just go post to post hunting for anything negative and then attacking it.
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12/28/2006  1:26 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:


is islesfan a moderator?

no, but apparently he is the only one who can make personal attacks without getting his message deleted.



[Edited by - jaydh on 12-28-2006 1:47 PM]
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12/28/2006  1:30 PM
huh? I dont want to involve myself in all this, but I just dont see how having an obvious bent against the Knicks and their President, on a Knicks message board, is conducive to rational and productive discussions. We passed the obsessive threshold awhile ago with this cat. I dunno, I guess somebody around here likes him.
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12/28/2006  2:51 PM
So still on reason why rv bot banned eh. I guess I'll never find out. Isles what really happened, I don't think I'll take rv's word for it.

And btw, rvwink and babyknicks are OBVIOUSLY the same person, and there are probably more. Why are you even bothering to deny it, I mean cmon RVWINK! Are you seriously going to tell me thats a different person from RVHOSS?
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/28/2006  3:05 PM
you mean, seatsblue, blueseats, trueblue, aren't the same person? or what about when two handles sound alike like MS and TMS? What does the RV stand for anyway, and is babyknicks really a baby? Unsolved mysteries to ponder instead of work...
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12/28/2006  6:52 PM
Posted by kam77:

you mean, seatsblue, blueseats, trueblue, aren't the same person? or what about when two handles sound alike like MS and TMS? What does the RV stand for anyway, and is babyknicks really a baby? Unsolved mysteries to ponder instead of work...


It is silly to assume everyone with a similar sounding name is the same person, but I will draw two or three distinctions between the BlueSeats/SeatsBlue situation and that of RV/BabyKnicks.

1. I have nothing to gain by adding a second persona. I'm not banned, and I can't keep up with one board under my own name, let alone the two boards SeatsBlue inhabits under what would be two names.

2. Myself and SeatsBlue post at the same time from different IPs when we are both in the game threads. I might be crazy, but not that kind of crazy.

3. SeatsBlue was posting the night I was at the UK get together without a computer and surrounded by witnesses. An impossible feat for one person.

In the case of RV/Baby

1. RV was banned just before Baby joined. Doesn't prove anything but it's an obvious cause for motivation.

2. Baby came on Knowing everything about RV and even used his posting style, right down to the smilies.

3. Baby even used an anti-Islesfan sig which called IsleFAN IslesFAT, something only RV has done.

I have no idea if RV and Baby are the same person and hardly care, but it's a fairly different scenario than that between myself and SeatsBlue/TrueBlue.

And SeatsBlue, you told me if I'd contact a mod for you at realgm you'd change your name there. nyknicks2k2 told me he PM'ed you several days ago. Can you follow that through, please?



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12/28/2006  7:20 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by kam77:

you mean, seatsblue, blueseats, trueblue, aren't the same person? or what about when two handles sound alike like MS and TMS? What does the RV stand for anyway, and is babyknicks really a baby? Unsolved mysteries to ponder instead of work...


It is silly to assume everyone with a similar sounding name is the same person, but I will draw two or three distinctions between the BlueSeats/SeatsBlue situation and that of RV/BabyKnicks.

1. I have nothing to gain by adding a second persona. I'm not banned, and I can't keep up with one board under my own name, let alone the two boards SeatsBlue inhabits under what would be two names.

2. Myself and SeatsBlue post at the same time from different IPs when we are both in the game threads. I might be crazy, but not that kind of crazy.

3. SeatsBlue was posting the night I was at the UK get together without a computer and surrounded by witnesses. An impossible feat for one person.

In the case of RV/Baby

1. RV was banned just before Baby joined. Doesn't prove anything but it's an obvious cause for motivation.

2. Baby came on Knowing everything about RV and even used his posting style, right down to the smilies.

3. Baby even used an anti-Islesfan sig which called IsleFAN IslesFAT, something only RV has done.

I have no idea if RV and Baby are the same person and hardly care, but it's a fairly different scenario than that between myself and SeatsBlue/TrueBlue.

And SeatsBlue, you told me if I'd contact a mod for you at realgm you'd change your name there. nyknicks2k2 told me he PM'ed you several days ago. Can you follow that through, please?

Blueseats, these guys are just giving you the business. Nobody in their right mind is confusing you with seatsblue.

oohah

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12/28/2006  8:30 PM
Posted by oohah:

Blueseats, these guys are just giving you the business. Nobody in their right mind is confusing you with seatsblue.

oohah


Thanks, ooh.

And I should apologize for quoting kam77 -- I knew he was just funning and I got the joke. I just got lazy and quoted the last mention of my name.

BabyKnicks raised the issue, and Baby, in the future I'd prefer if you could fight your own battles without having to suck me in. That would be a great first step in distinguishing yourself above rvhoss.
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12/28/2006  8:57 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by kam77:

you mean, seatsblue, blueseats, trueblue, aren't the same person? or what about when two handles sound alike like MS and TMS? What does the RV stand for anyway, and is babyknicks really a baby? Unsolved mysteries to ponder instead of work...


It is silly to assume everyone with a similar sounding name is the same person, but I will draw two or three distinctions between the BlueSeats/SeatsBlue situation and that of RV/BabyKnicks.

1. I have nothing to gain by adding a second persona. I'm not banned, and I can't keep up with one board under my own name, let alone the two boards SeatsBlue inhabits under what would be two names.

2. Myself and SeatsBlue post at the same time from different IPs when we are both in the game threads. I might be crazy, but not that kind of crazy.

3. SeatsBlue was posting the night I was at the UK get together without a computer and surrounded by witnesses. An impossible feat for one person.

In the case of RV/Baby

1. RV was banned just before Baby joined. Doesn't prove anything but it's an obvious cause for motivation.

2. Baby came on Knowing everything about RV and even used his posting style, right down to the smilies.

3. Baby even used an anti-Islesfan sig which called IsleFAN IslesFAT, something only RV has done.

I have no idea if RV and Baby are the same person and hardly care, but it's a fairly different scenario than that between myself and SeatsBlue/TrueBlue.

And SeatsBlue, you told me if I'd contact a mod for you at realgm you'd change your name there. nyknicks2k2 told me he PM'ed you several days ago. Can you follow that through, please?


Blueseats I heard that you had a Blackberry at the UK get together.
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12/28/2006  9:06 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Wow, rvhoss/babyknicks can compete with Bippity/BoBo for "Mr. Split Personality of the year!"

I am not Bobo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bobo claimed the same thing. But tell me, if this is true, then how do you explain your hate of Tim Duncan?
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12/28/2006  9:17 PM
Solace to this date I still can't bleive that I went back and forth with that guy for over 150 posts about that. Then followed it up a week later with 150 posts arguing that Ray Allen was a good jumpshooter. Those aren't my proudest moments.
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12/28/2006  9:24 PM
Posted by Bippity10:


Blueseats I heard that you had a Blackberry at the UK get together.


Actually, I stayed at home and posted as SeatsBlue and I hired a fat ugly guy to go to the get together pretending to be me.

Figured that would be easier than teaching my wife how to dig up Knick stats and post as SeatsBlue.
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12/28/2006  9:27 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:


Blueseats I heard that you had a Blackberry at the UK get together.


Actually, I stayed at home and posted as SeatsBlue and I hired a fat ugly guy to go to the get together pretending to be me.

Figured that would be easier than teaching my wife how to dig up Knick stats and post as SeatsBlue.

You should take lessons from the other guy who has 8,000 names.

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12/29/2006  12:24 AM

For True Evaluation of Thomas, Look Past the Man


By HARVEY ARATON




Can 13 victories in 31 games be evidence enough that the Knicks chose the wrong coach last season and have the right one now?


To even partly answer that question, you can dwell on Isiah Thomas’s administrative missteps and character flaws or take a hard look at the recent performance of the Knicks’ core players.

You can ridicule the playoff race in the fetid Atlantic Division, or try to determine whether Thomas is meeting his loosely defined mandate for significant progress this season with your own basketball-watching eyes.

“I see progress,” Chuck Daly said yesterday in a telephone interview from the middle of a South Florida traffic jam. “Very definitely, progress.”

That’s not exactly an endorsement from the most impartial observer, considering that Daly is a Hall of Fame coach largely because of Thomas and his band of erstwhile Bad Boys from suburban Detroit. But let’s argue that an opinion suffused with loyalty is necessary to balance the vitriolic partisanship that grew out of the demise of the brief Thomas-Larry Brown era and infects an honest evaluation process.

Out on a social call Wednesday night, Daly missed the Knicks’ latest dizzying adventure that somehow concluded as an unlikely achievement. It took three overtimes and a fair amount of assistance from the Pistons before the Knicks packed away a 151-145 victory to take on their western swing that begins tonight in Phoenix. In the midst of it all, there was one eye-opening statistic on which Thomas could hang his survival hopes.

Across 63 minutes, the Knicks made 56.3 percent of their shots against a Detroit team that, even in its post-Ben Wallace incarnation, is among the N.B.A.’s more defensively able. But at various times Wednesday night, the Pistons had no single or collective solution for Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, Channing Frye and finally Jamal Crawford.

Daly’s point yesterday was that he was shocked by nothing he read in the morning box score.

“I like Curry, I like Frye, I like David Lee, and this might surprise you, but I also like Marbury,” he said. “I always thought he had great ability and I think he can do well with these young guys around him. Of course, now they’re on the road where you lose two or three straight and it’s hard to hold onto the positive. But I’ve watched them enough on the league ticket lately to know I’ve seen a team that has spirit and talent and looks to be starting to get it.”

At too slow a pace to save Isiah?

“Listen, I said a long time ago, back to the end of the Dave Checketts years, that the Knicks were headed toward trouble, just like Boston, just like Philly,” Daly said. “When you’re in a situation like the one Isiah stepped into, and you’re a competitive guy like he is, you try things. This guy, that guy. This coach, that coach. Some of it works, some of it doesn’t. You keep trying until they don’t let you anymore. But what you’re seeing now are a few young guys who are starting to work out. Are they playoff caliber? Remains to be seen. But they’re moving forward, that’s what we know.”

For now, first place is a lot closer than a .500 record. The Knicks could lose all five games out West and be 10 under by the time they come home. Again, as much as progress can be calculated, it can also be seen.



Look at the body language of the young players Thomas drafted and Brown mystifyingly refused to find consistent minutes for last season when he was under no pressure to win. Go down the line. Is Curry better? Did Frye look like a soon-to-be 20-a-night scorer down the stretch Wednesday night? Has Lee become one of the more intriguing multipurpose players in the league? Is the rookie Renaldo Balkman contributing? Is even Marbury playing smart and cracking a smile?

Whereas Brown was the ornery stepfather, Thomas has been the nurturing daddy. Brown called the now-useful (in Orlando) Trevor Ariza delusional and made the bench his dunce corner. Answering boos after stinging home-court defeats, Thomas has stood on the court and shook his beleaguered players’ hands.

Maybe he had to because employment hinges on the success of the players he has brought here — precisely why James L. Dolan, the Madison Square Garden president, got it right when he cut the Brown experiment short and ordered Thomas onto the hot seat.

Across the past 25 years, Thomas has made enemies here, there and everywhere, and no one knows this more than I do. We went years without speaking after I co-authored a book a decade ago that detailed gambling activities during Thomas’s playing days. Then again, Michael Jordan’s high-stakes wagering was co-featured in the project. Nobody ever wanted him fired for not being a Cub Scout.

Daly, a regular reader of the New York newspapers, said he had a good laugh when the axes were sharpened for Thomas after he helped set off the Denver brawl that resulted in multiple player suspensions. Daly couldn’t help but recall a season in New Jersey that fell short of expectation after his point guard, Kenny Anderson, was bludgeoned to the floor by the Knicks’ John Starks.



So Thomas’s attempts — however distasteful — at making men of his Knicks should have been the last straw, but let’s continue to commemorate the trademark brutality of the Riley years, why don’t we?

“I think the situation up there needs to calm down and people should just relax and let the process work itself out,” Daly said.

Until Thomas and the Knicks come home, maybe we can preoccupy ourselves with Lawrence Frank, ask what he’s done lately to resuscitate the Nets. Nothing personal, of course.

[Edited by - holfresh on 12-29-2006 12:26 AM]
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12/29/2006  12:48 AM
That column is spot on.

The arrow is pointing up at this point. Whether or not it will still be pointing up at the end of the season, or even in a couple of weeks remains to be seen.

As Daly said: "...let the process work itself out."

[Edited by - Rich on 12-29-2006 12:49 AM]
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12/29/2006  12:50 AM
Posted by Rich:

As Daly said: "...let the process work itself out."

that could be applied to almost everything, including a coach on the 1st year of a 5 year deal who usually takes more than 1 season to turn a team around.

When to praise Isiah and when to blame Isiah.

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