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Crawford is the chemistry killer
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Michael6835
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12/19/2006  2:21 PM
Posted by MS:

I am not sure why no one sees this but last night was a perfect example of why Crawford has no place on this team, I hear all this bull**** about Marbury, but the fact remains Crawford is the most selfish, useless player on this team......

He uses up close to 12 seconds every possession dicking around with the ball and then takes an off balance shot, or hands the ball to someone with 4 on the clock creating awful possessions. And when he doesn't use the clock he is firing with 18 on the clock.

He never plays in the flow of the game or the offense, and Isiah never takes him out or talks to him after he makes an awful decision, ala his forced shot in the overtime.......

No player has further digressed under Isiah than Crawford, his green light privledges need to be revoked now, its not just one game, and please don't tell me him and Curry work well together, or he is a clutch shooter....He loses more games for us than he wins.....

He should get spot duty only when Q returns........

Crawford is a streak shooter, he will have good games and bad games. His shot selection is questionable at times, but again, he is one of those players. He shoots and we're like "Noooo, and yes when it drops in."" I have learned to live with this from him, he has hit too many game winners for this team. As it stands, the knicks need Craws offense, when he does well the team does well, when he struggles with his shot, the team usually struggles. He is a very very very bad defender, this is the area he needs to fix. Beyond that, he is just like any other streak shooter.

Lets use Starks as an example.
On defense Starks was an animal and represents everything you want from your guard on defense. On offense, he was very much like Jamal, a chucker. Jamal is actually more gifted offensively in that he can create his own shot, albeit most times there off balance, but they do go in.

The point of mentioning starks is to compare that a shooter is a shooter, dont be mad at him for that, be mad at him for his D.
Trying to change the way a player naturally has played never can never work. This is what's happening to Marbury. You can't change shoot first guys into pass first guys, etc.
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MS
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12/19/2006  2:29 PM
Jamal is not a good player he is turnover prone, selfish and stalls the offense, you can credit him with 4 points every game off a terrible shot that leads to a fast break, he is a gambler that doesn't take defense seriously......

He puts other players in bad positions, when he gives up the ball late with little time remaining....

Its ****ing pathetic the slack Isiah gives crawford, you will notice he never takes him out after a stupid bonehead play or after he ****s up the entire offense
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12/19/2006  3:28 PM
My brother just took the SAT's and this question was on it

MS is to Jamal Crawford

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Islesfan is to ________
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12/19/2006  3:35 PM
he may have beent he chemistry killer last night, buy he may not be tommorow. thats why I think that he should be made into a full time pg. Crawford seems to do better when he is on a leash. when he's allowed to go buck wild, he either helps, or hurts, its random from game to game.
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12/19/2006  3:45 PM
He is not a bad guy. He's a good guy. He's a good teammate, and he's a guy that will go to the death for every coach he plays for. Unfortunately many of the other flaws that MS mentions are 100% true. Not sure why MS hates him so much for this, but the guy does have flaws. He needs coaching. He needs a coach to reign him in and instruct him. When his coach allows him to be himself, this is the result.

The difference in shot selection for this guy from last year to this year is tremendous. We are doing him a disservice by allowing him to hold onto his joy. This guy could be a super player with some coaching. Why do we feel we have to coddle everyone? Could this be why so many players are so fragile? Get in his grill and tell him what a good shot is.
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12/19/2006  3:59 PM
I've said it a million times that Crawford is one of those players who CANNOT be nourished. He's the type that needs to be yelled at in practice, who needs instruction and who needs to spend extra time with the coaches to go over what needs to be done. This isn't a shot at Crawford either. There's nothing wrong with being a slow learner. Heck, I'd probably be in the same shoes as him (Except not nearly as athletic nor talented.)

He plays hard on both ends and has physical weaknesses and I knew from day 1 that the guy who was gonna suffer from LB being fired was Crawford. He seems like the type that would flourish under LB, Greg Pop, Jerry Sloan (Well, not him), Pat Riley, George Karl. He's not Keith Van Horn.
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12/19/2006  4:04 PM
I think he is the most well spoken likable personality on the team, I don't think he is a bad guy.

But the fact remains what makes someone a good teammate, is willing to sacrifice for others, so how is he a good teammate. He always has his own shot in mind and rarely looks to pass the ball unless him and curry are completing and alley-opp....

He rarely give a defensive effort, and always shoots right away or holds the ball too late, his decision making is horrible, and people want to move him to the point to calm down.....

Why is Jamal bad this year, 29% from 3, and 39% from two its simple Isiah gives him the greenlight to do what he pleases and its made him revert back to playing like the loser he was with the bulls and the player he was before the last month and a half of the season
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12/19/2006  4:11 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

My brother just took the SAT's and this question was on it

MS is to Jamal Crawford

As

Islesfan is to ________

RVHoss/BabyKnicks, Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury

Which one was the right answer?
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12/19/2006  5:13 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:

My brother just took the SAT's and this question was on it

MS is to Jamal Crawford

As

Islesfan is to ________

RVHoss/BabyKnicks, Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury

Which one was the right answer?

E-All of the above
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Bippity10
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12/19/2006  5:14 PM
If Jamal had played in college for Calhoun he would be an all-star. It's all about coaching.
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12/19/2006  5:36 PM
He's the one player Larry made better. To this point, he's regressed.
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12/19/2006  5:56 PM
they should teach all guards this when they start playing organized ball. it does not help the offensive rhythm of a team when you spend over half the shot clock dribbling the ball.

this is not fun for fans to watch either.

thank you.
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12/19/2006  8:16 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

The Jamal we're seeing this year can not excel on this team or any team for that matter, unless he has a bigtime player or coach to bring him back to earth when necessary.


Exactly.

Players coaches rarely win championships -- that's the difference btw. Flip Saunders and Larry Brown.

1st step is to hire a new GM.

Then they decide what kind of coach we should get.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/19/2006  8:48 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:

The funny thing about Crawford's supposed regression is that he is playing as well or better than last year over the same period of time.

oohah

I disagree. His game last year and this year are totally different. If you want to talk statistically, than maybe, but these are 2 different players.
He's the same as he was last year with the exception of the final few weeks.

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12/19/2006  9:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:

The funny thing about Crawford's supposed regression is that he is playing as well or better than last year over the same period of time.

oohah

I disagree. His game last year and this year are totally different. If you want to talk statistically, than maybe, but these are 2 different players.
He's the same as he was last year with the exception of the final few weeks.

Bonn, do you read any posts or do even a little research before posting? Also, how many games have you watched over the past 2 seasons?

Craw was a chucker 2 years ago and is a chucker this year. Last year he started a chucker but rounded into a mid-range player.

WTF is up the the reference to the last week of last year?
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12/19/2006  9:46 PM
crawford just like to shoot. Whats wrong with that. Crawford needs to go to basketball camp over the summer and I don't mean the rucker park thing because that is where he gets most of his bad habits from. He might need to join the over 35 league he can lean a lot from the old farts.
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12/19/2006  11:52 PM
shooters have off nights... this is not exclusive to Jamal... a guy like Gilbert Arenas takes tons of shots & some nights he's off... i doubt any of you would consider him to be a chemistry killer though (or maybe you do?)

some of Gilbert Arenas' game logs this year:

11/1: 2 for 12 in 38 min (1 for 3 from 3pt range)
11/6: 6 for 20 in 41 min (1 for 3 from 3pt range)
11/12: 6 for 23 in 42 min (4 for 12 from 3pt range)
11/15: 5 for 19 in 35 min (0 for 7 from 3pt range)
11/17: 7 for 20 in 38 min (1 for 5 from 3pt range)
11/21: 9 for 25 in 36 min (2 for 10 from 3pt range)
11/24: 1 for 12 in 32 min (0 for 3 from 3pt range)
12/2: 3 for 11 in 22 min (2 for 5 from 3pt range)
12/18: 10 for 30 in 43 min (3 for 12 from 3pt range)
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12/19/2006  11:56 PM
Posted by TMS:

shooters have off nights... this is not exclusive to Jamal... a guy like Gilbert Arenas takes tons of shots & some nights he's off... i doubt any of you would consider him to be a chemistry killer though (or maybe you do?)

some of Gilbert Arenas' game logs this year:

11/1: 2 for 12 in 38 min (1 for 3 from 3pt range)
11/6: 6 for 20 in 41 min (1 for 3 from 3pt range)
11/12: 6 for 23 in 42 min (4 for 12 from 3pt range)
11/15: 5 for 19 in 35 min (0 for 7 from 3pt range)
11/17: 7 for 20 in 38 min (1 for 5 from 3pt range)
11/21: 9 for 25 in 36 min (2 for 10 from 3pt range)
11/24: 1 for 12 in 32 min (0 for 3 from 3pt range)
12/2: 3 for 11 in 22 min (2 for 5 from 3pt range)
12/18: 10 for 30 in 43 min (3 for 12 from 3pt range)

gilbert arenas is a crackhead. but the wiz are building a team around him, and they're not going about it the right way. they need to make arenas AI2k7 and put defenders around him.

but jamal is not the main cog persay. therefore we need some more consistency from that spot.
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12/20/2006  12:15 AM
i'm not trying to compare their worth as players... obviously Arenas is in a different class... just making a point that shooters like Jamal, Arenas, AI, etc. will have bad shooting nights like this more than just a few times during the season... you take the good w/the bad when it comes to those types of scorers who rely heavily on their perimeter shots... this is what made a player like Allan Houston so unique, because he'd generally shoot a very high percentage from the perimeter.
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12/20/2006  1:28 AM
would you built around jamal crawford?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Crawford is the chemistry killer

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