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12/18/2006  3:59 PM
Posted by Michael6835:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Assiah should be embarrassed. It's his fault the team was down 20 at HOME to begin with because he's the man that put this roster together, while blaming fans ex-coaches and the salary crap. Take your punishment and get the hell out from my favorite team.

I think this statement says it all, people hate him so much and want him gone so much. It doesnt matter what IT does, people are going to try to kill him.

If we forgets to put the seat down, fire Isaih. Crappy example i know, but you get my point. You have to view it case by case. Both are equally responsible, point is, karl should have taken them out. this would be a moot point.

You're exactly right and I don't care how it's looked upon. I'm sick of Isiah and I'm sick of the trash that I have had to put up with him leading this 3ring circus.
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12/18/2006  3:59 PM
Posted by fishmike:

well if Reggie Miller said it it must be true.

would you doubt this guy?



[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-18-2006 4:00 PM]
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12/18/2006  4:02 PM
Posted by K22:

Am I alone in thinking that this is getting really childish?


Nope, you are not alone.

Sometimes it's best to just stand back and observe.
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12/18/2006  4:08 PM
Posted by Michael6835:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

This is a pretty pathetic apology for Karl leaving his starters in. Wonder if you would accept a similar rationale from Isiah, had he given it in the opposite position. Isiah was wrong and so was Karl. Neither gets a pass.
pathetic? with 4:26 the score was 114-96. Obviously 18 points is a lot but teams can rip off a 10-0 run in 90 seconds, but forget about the Knicks chances. Lets talk about Karl's "pathetic" running up of the score, and count how many shot attempts they took
5:01 JR SMith misses 3 pointer
4:35 Earl Boykins misses jumper
4:13 JR Smith makes 2 point shot
3:34 JR Smith fouled (makes 1 of 2)
2:51 Miller makes layup
2:06 Frye blocks Carlmello's attempt
1:34 Miller misses jumper
1:31 Camby fouled on offensive rebound (no shot attempt)
1:15 Mardy's foul and fight

so over a 4 minutes span the Nuggets make 7 shot attempts. WOW

Karl was really imflating that total.

You guys kill me

not how many shots, the kind of shots they were taking, their attitude and demeanor on the floor. You could find all kind of stats to back you up, the truth is they were showboating and trash talking while they were doing it. You fail to mention that, running the clock down could be done by earl boykins or somme one else. Both coaches were wrong, the fact that you decide to find excuses for Karl is simply ridiculous.


exactly. It is not the Made shots that determine the running up of the score or the attempt to run up the score, but as you said, it is the type of shots and attempts..

For example, in football, you are up 40 points with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. On 4th down you fake the punt, do a flee flicker. Ok your receiver misses the ball. So does that mean you were not trying to run up the score?

Maybe it is just me, I think up 19 with a little over a minute, I get the ball on a break, a defender is back, I pull the ball out and run the clock down!!!!! END OF STORY!!! why risk an injury, a flagrant foul, why risk anything?
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12/18/2006  4:18 PM
Posted by tkf:
exactly. It is not the Made shots that determine the running up of the score or the attempt to run up the score, but as you said, it is the type of shots and attempts..

For example, in football, you are up 40 points with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. On 4th down you fake the punt, do a flee flicker. Ok your receiver misses the ball. So does that mean you were not trying to run up the score?

Maybe it is just me, I think up 19 with a little over a minute, I get the ball on a break, a defender is back, I pull the ball out and run the clock down!!!!! END OF STORY!!! why risk an injury, a flagrant foul, why risk anything?


For sure there were points in the game where I thought Denver was having fun with us at our expense. And it wasn't just at the end. But that's their privilege, that's part of the game.

Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago when some team or another was laughing at us that Isiah said something like: "this is a merciless league, and when we are on top we are going to be just as unforgiving"

So Isiah could have just as easily have been the coach giving his players some run and fun time at the other teams expense.

If Isiah had a problem with Karl's motives he should have exposed him in his post game comments. And if he wants his guys to play tough D, have them do it throughout. But don't say it's okay for him to send in kids and subject them and their opponents to harm as a means for revenge in his petty squabble with another coach. That's just sleazy and dangerous.
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12/18/2006  4:31 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

well if Reggie Miller said it it must be true.

would you doubt this guy?



[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-18-2006 4:00 PM]



I have to admit I wore a slope for a brief period. That was blocked out of my memory til now.

Thanks


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-18-2006 3:36 PM]
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12/18/2006  4:35 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

well if Reggie Miller said it it must be true.

would you doubt this guy?



[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-18-2006 4:00 PM]



I have to admit I wore a slope for brief period. That was blocked out of my memory til now.

Thanks

like my man cameo? i would've kept that on the DL.
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12/18/2006  4:37 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
exactly. It is not the Made shots that determine the running up of the score or the attempt to run up the score, but as you said, it is the type of shots and attempts..

For example, in football, you are up 40 points with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. On 4th down you fake the punt, do a flee flicker. Ok your receiver misses the ball. So does that mean you were not trying to run up the score?

Maybe it is just me, I think up 19 with a little over a minute, I get the ball on a break, a defender is back, I pull the ball out and run the clock down!!!!! END OF STORY!!! why risk an injury, a flagrant foul, why risk anything?


For sure there were points in the game where I thought Denver was having fun with us at our expense. And it wasn't just at the end. But that's their privilege, that's part of the game.

Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago when some team or another was laughing at us that Isiah said something like: "this is a merciless league, and when we are on top we are going to be just as unforgiving"

So Isiah could have just as easily have been the coach giving his players some run and fun time at the other teams expense.

If Isiah had a problem with Karl's motives he should have exposed him in his post game comments. And if he wants his guys to play tough D, have them do it throughout. But don't say it's okay for him to send in kids and subject them and their opponents to harm as a means for revenge in his petty squabble with another coach. That's just sleazy and dangerous.

I understand blueseats, but look at the foul. It wasnt that bad of a foul. the responses set things in motion. Just like artest and ben wallace. Ben's reaction set the mele into motion.....

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12/18/2006  4:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

well if Reggie Miller said it it must be true.

would you doubt this guy?



[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-18-2006 4:00 PM]



I have to admit I wore a slope for brief period. That was blocked out of my memory til now.

Thanks

like my man cameo? i would've kept that on the DL.



Come on.... you know all you East Coast guys was either rockin the Kid N Play High Top Fade or the Bobby Brown Gumby.
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12/18/2006  4:40 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Come on.... you know all you East Coast guys was either rockin the Kid N Play High Top Fade or the Bobby Brown Gumby.

don't forget the part, the triple fat goose and the stopwatch around the neck (but that may just have been a queens' thing)

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12/18/2006  7:21 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
exactly. It is not the Made shots that determine the running up of the score or the attempt to run up the score, but as you said, it is the type of shots and attempts..

For example, in football, you are up 40 points with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. On 4th down you fake the punt, do a flee flicker. Ok your receiver misses the ball. So does that mean you were not trying to run up the score?

Maybe it is just me, I think up 19 with a little over a minute, I get the ball on a break, a defender is back, I pull the ball out and run the clock down!!!!! END OF STORY!!! why risk an injury, a flagrant foul, why risk anything?


For sure there were points in the game where I thought Denver was having fun with us at our expense. And it wasn't just at the end. But that's their privilege, that's part of the game.

Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago when some team or another was laughing at us that Isiah said something like: "this is a merciless league, and when we are on top we are going to be just as unforgiving"

So Isiah could have just as easily have been the coach giving his players some run and fun time at the other teams expense.

If Isiah had a problem with Karl's motives he should have exposed him in his post game comments. And if he wants his guys to play tough D, have them do it throughout. But don't say it's okay for him to send in kids and subject them and their opponents to harm as a means for revenge in his petty squabble with another coach. That's just sleazy and dangerous.

I understand blueseats, but look at the foul. It wasnt that bad of a foul. the responses set things in motion. Just like artest and ben wallace. Ben's reaction set the mele into motion.....

I agree that the foul wasn't that bad. in and of itself. But it kills me that it comes as a "hit" rather than authentically in battle. It also kills me that Nate escalated things, even if someone wants to parse the tape to somehow exonerate him.

So to me it was just DUMB. In his defense of the hit isiah said "we had surrendered." Well when you surrender you take your lumps. Isiah wants to say he surrendered, but he ordered a hit. Which was it, a surrender or a trap?

But I was cool with the way Mardy and JR got up from the foul and gave each other some face, and everyone was gonna walk away... until Nate got involved. My feelings are that if players want to get involved it should be to restrain their own teammates, not the opponent. Tugging on your angry opponent doesn't defuse, it escalates.

And it's just so sad that the toughness (real toughness) of this team is so low that fans must try to find pride in retribution since we exhibit so little real pride or hard-nosed play. It's not that the situation was so "bad", it's that it's so sad.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-18-2006 7:33 PM]
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12/18/2006  7:32 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

And it's just so sad that the toughness (real toughness) of this team is so low that fans have to try to find pride that we're now resorting to retribution in lieu of real pride and hard-nosed play. It's not that it's so "bad", it's that it's so sad.

Well put.
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12/19/2006  9:08 AM
George Karl is just another petty party in the overhyped, inbred North Carolina mythology.

I lived in the state for 2 long years and learned a lot about their insulated view of the outside world.

he can go to hell

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12/19/2006  9:35 AM
UNC Fans are amung the worst. This I agree, they are rabid homers about the team.

There is a reason Karl and Larry did not get the gig the last few years as they are jaded pro's who's millions have corrupted them.

That being said, back to the topic at hand.......

Either side of it Isiah is an A$$hole. Thats what happens when your team sucks and your the architect of this collection of talent. Isiah was wrong to verbalize it.

Karl was wrong to run up the score, but Isiah had it coming. Karl is Larrys buddy and he should stick it to Isiah if he can. If anyting, Isiah won as Karl lost his superstar for 15 games. Im sure it gets reduced.

Isiah was not wrong to have Mardy retaliate. IT happens and had nate not been so special it would have just ended right there with Smith and Collins. Maybe Collins gets tossed. No biggy. Team covers his fine and he is "team guy". Nate made it special.

Bottom line, if the team is doing better none of this happens, and this was a despirate move by Isiah to preserve any shred of dignity on a team going down the drain. After watching last nites game, I'd have to say it worked!

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12/19/2006  10:47 AM
>>Either side of it Isiah is an ***hole.


Nalod - if one is the architect of a team that sucks that does not make you an ***hole. That simply makes you incompetent.

See Al Bianchi and Scott Layden. See Pete Babcoc(q) of the Atlanta Hawks. See Kiki Vandeweghe fired in Denver...

So Nalod, help me out here... if the "desperate move", your words, by Isiah brought the team closer together.. and they respond with an inspired effort... and a win...

... and all the beat writers, and the people who parrot them, can fall back on is to complain about the irritating personality of the head coach?

... who is the ***hole?

really?

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-19-2006 10:49 AM]
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12/19/2006  10:58 AM
From The NYTimes Harvey Araton

>>Many people in these parts already convicted Thomas because they want him fired — today, this moment — for failing to make salad out of the slop left behind by his predecessor, Scott Layden, the Jazz assistant coach who last night shook the hand of the Garden’s president, James L. Dolan, possibly in gratitude for his own dismissal three years ago.

>>For Karl, Thomas’s demise is another kind of moral imperative, what he deserves for the suffering inflicted on Brown, who collected a mere $28 million for tolerating Marbury & Company for one season. Karl and Brown are members in the North Carolina true-blue fraternity.

>>Stern suggested that Kroenke, the Nuggets’ owner, rein in his coach after a Denver reporter repeated some of the invective Karl spewed yesterday. Karl was obviously pained over the suspensions of Anthony and Smith, who got 10 games. But it was hardly out of character for Karl, a blowhard from way back, who once sneeringly described the hiring of Doc Rivers as head coach in Orlando, among other black players to comparable posts, as the “anointment of the young Afro-American coach.”

>>Karl apparently had the idea that only white journeymen like himself, 57 games under .500 in his first two jobs but still entitled to a third in Seattle, are entitled to practice the brain surgeon’s skills required to teach the high screen-and-roll.
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12/19/2006  12:27 PM
George Karl gets ass raped by Larry Brown. Hi
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12/19/2006  1:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

From The NYTimes Harvey Araton

>>Many people in these parts already convicted Thomas because they want him fired — today, this moment — for failing to make salad out of the slop left behind by his predecessor, Scott Layden, the Jazz assistant coach who last night shook the hand of the Garden’s president, James L. Dolan, possibly in gratitude for his own dismissal three years ago.

>>For Karl, Thomas’s demise is another kind of moral imperative, what he deserves for the suffering inflicted on Brown, who collected a mere $28 million for tolerating Marbury & Company for one season. Karl and Brown are members in the North Carolina true-blue fraternity.

>>Stern suggested that Kroenke, the Nuggets’ owner, rein in his coach after a Denver reporter repeated some of the invective Karl spewed yesterday. Karl was obviously pained over the suspensions of Anthony and Smith, who got 10 games. But it was hardly out of character for Karl, a blowhard from way back, who once sneeringly described the hiring of Doc Rivers as head coach in Orlando, among other black players to comparable posts, as the “anointment of the young Afro-American coach.”

>>Karl apparently had the idea that only white journeymen like himself, 57 games under .500 in his first two jobs but still entitled to a third in Seattle, are entitled to practice the brain surgeon’s skills required to teach the high screen-and-roll.

Good post.

Karl only made himself the "jackass" with that display of professionalism. He proved that he's just as much of a puss as Carlemo with that punk move.

Lastly, he said what any other worthless hater would about Isiah and the Knicks. It all adds up to zero- the same abount of games Isiah deserved to be suspended for- and received.
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12/19/2006  8:02 PM
from my boy knigston ave

(it was too good not to share)

flip flop Karl and Thomas the last few days and you and the media are going off about how Zeke was trying to embarass LB's friend on his home court and after a clean hard foul the Knicks lost control.

Isiah would be buried for his classless profanity laced tirade directed at Karl and Karl wold be commended for not responding in kind to such ghetto behavior.

(deep)
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12/19/2006  8:55 PM
If anyone believes that George Karl really felt he needed Nelo and Camby in the game to preserve a 19 point lead over players like
Collins and Jeffries, I know of a bridge in Brooklyn they might consider investing in.
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