Solace, if you've truly given up on this franchise you wouldn't be here posting... the rest of the season wouldn't matter to you & you would stop watching the games... i know you're way too much of a Knicks fan to stop rooting for this team, let's be real... everyone needs to stop overreacting to this incident... it's not as if this is the only big brawl this team has been involved in over the years... was it a reflection on Pat Riley & the Knicks when players were routinely being fouled hard in the paint when they tried to go up for a layup? all i've been hearing over the past few years are people bemoaning the fact that this organization has turned soft & that they longed for the "tough guy bad boy" days of the Knicks of old... i'm not saying i condone what happened, but i'm not going to say i'm necessarily bitter at the organization for it either.

TMS: Although I agree with you that noone is giving up on this franchise, I disagree that this is not a reflection on this franchise. If we were the Spurs or Jazz or Lakers we can just brush it off. But looking at the embarrassment that the Knicks have been over the past few years, this is just another stain. It has to stop. We have no standards of behavior. No concept of competitiveness. I'ts all about looking cool and making excuses.

It's definitely the players fault. But still just another embarrassment for us. It never stops.

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