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Solace
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12/14/2006  4:06 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Solace:

I think the thought that the Bulls would let Curry go and get nothing in return is unrealistic, also. I mean, would we let Frye, Nate, Lee, Balkman, Collins, etc... go when its time to resign?

We might if they asked for $10MM/year. Oh yeah, and had a possibly fatal heart condition.

No, we would trade them, just like the Bulls did. And... most of those players have little to not shot at commanding that kind of money. To think the Bulls would willing give away Eddy Curry for free is insane. Not to be harsh, but gimme a break. The same people who are in love with Eddy Curry right now and also arguing that the Bulls had the option of letting him go for free. OK. Welcome to double-standard hell.
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12/14/2006  4:14 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Solace:

I think the thought that the Bulls would let Curry go and get nothing in return is unrealistic, also. I mean, would we let Frye, Nate, Lee, Balkman, Collins, etc... go when its time to resign?

We might if they asked for $10MM/year. Oh yeah, and had a possibly fatal heart condition.

No, we would trade them, just like the Bulls did. And... most of those players have little to not shot at commanding that kind of money. To think the Bulls would willing give away Eddy Curry for free is insane. Not to be harsh, but gimme a break. The same people who are in love with Eddy Curry right now and also arguing that the Bulls had the option of letting him go for free. OK. Welcome to double-standard hell.


I think the Bulls had the option to renounce his Qualifying Offer in which at that point he becomes a UFA. I made a minor mistake in a post back, mentioning Curry was an URFA when at that time he was RF and that's why the Bulls could match any offer. Yes it would have been comepletely moronic of the Bulls to let Curry walk and get nothing in return to save $3-4mil when at the time they were already well under the cap.
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12/14/2006  4:29 PM
I think the Plan was

So now the Knicks fans are supposed to listen to what you think Paxson was going to do?
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12/14/2006  4:32 PM
Posted by kam77:
I think the Plan was

So now the Knicks fans are supposed to listen to what you think Paxson was going to do?

No, we're supposed to listen to Isiah's lies and ignore all logic.
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12/14/2006  4:34 PM
Better Isiah than YOU!
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/14/2006  4:36 PM
Posted by kam77:

Better Isiah than YOU!

That's why we're 95-148 with Isiah and still a badly flawed team.
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12/14/2006  4:42 PM
I thought this thread was about the Bulls going ballistic? And I posted because I wanted to see if these guys are actually Bulls fans or are only holding them up as an example of something you can spin a negative out of since the Knicks didn't lose last night and you needed something to write about.

Everything around here degenerates into a hate-fest referendum on Isiah Thomas. Under Isiah we've been a bad team. There. We agree about that. So now what? We can't enjoy Eddy Curry's dominance without the Chicago counterweight? How long will we be getting contstant Chi-town updates?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/14/2006  4:42 PM
Posted by islesfan:

That's why we're 95-148 with Isiah and still a badly flawed team.
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12/14/2006  4:48 PM
Posted by kam77:

And I posted because I wanted to see (blah blah blah)

No, you posted to cause trouble. Stop being a flamer.
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12/14/2006  5:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

You dont gain cap space by not signing a guy to a big contract. You gain cap space by contracts being traded or expiring. Curry made 3 mill for the bulls. They didnt gain 16 mill in cap space from the trade. 60 mill over 4 years doesnt equal 54 mill over 6 years. Walalce averages 15 mill a year. Curry averages 9 mill a year. Ofcourse I know Jcraw was a separate trade. Where did I say he wasnt? If you like Wallace and the Bulls so much why remain a Knicks fan who you seem to dislike so much?

OMG, you really don't understand that because the Bulls didn't have to pay Curry anymore means that they cleared even more cap space that allowed them to sign Wallace?


Even most bulls fans on Real Gm say this is 1000% wrong. Currys last deal with the Bulls was 3.8 mill. The most they would gain in cap space ws 3.8 mill by letting it expire. You dont gain in cap space what another team chooses to extend him for after a trade. This was not a sign and trade. The Knicks extended him to a deal that paid 7 mill last year and 8 mill this year. Ben Wallace makes 16 mill this year. Curry made around 2 mill more than Sweets (TT and Ad were a wash). Thats the only cap space they gained from the trade. Not 16 mill they paid Ben wallace.

Yeah, that's great in theory but in reality you don't let assets walk away for nothing. If they don't trade him, they're obligated to re-sign him. But by trading him, the Bulls don't have to waste that cap space and they get 2 possible lottery picks as well.

You're not only assuming that they'd have re-signed Eddy, you're also assuming specific details of the re-signing. Maybe Eddy wouldn't like the 20 year contract and would have agreed to only a 1 year deal so that he could prove himself healthy (in which case he'd still be off the cap now). Maybe mid season they'd trade him. We can make all sorts of assumptions. That's why it makes sense to count only salaries that a team is *obligated* to pay when looking at cap space. In this case, the Bulls would have been obligated to pay nothing more had they not made the deal.

You're the one making the biggest and most unrealistic assumption. That the Bulls would let Curry walk for nothing.
I specifically DIDN'T make that assumption. I listed several possibilities other than the Bulls letting him walk for nothing. See bold font above.

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12/14/2006  7:42 PM
I happen to agree with SugarRay that the Bulls didn't make the trade to reduce payroll.

They did it to get our two consecutive draft picks (both lottery?) without having to add payroll.
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12/14/2006  8:57 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I happen to agree with SugarRay that the Bulls didn't make the trade to reduce payroll.

They did it to get our two consecutive draft picks (both lottery?) without having to add payroll.



I can agree with this statement to a degree but the argument wasn't that they got rid of Curry to reduce payroll. The argument was the benefits that were gained by making the trade with the Knicks for Curry. Primarily focusing on their cap situation after the trade.
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12/14/2006  9:13 PM
I think a better word(s) instead of saying Gained it should be Saved, Salvaged, Stored, Stashed, Hold, etc etc etc.
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12/14/2006  9:18 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by kam77:

And I posted because I wanted to see (blah blah blah)
No, you posted to cause trouble. Stop being a flamer.
This applies to every single on of isles posts. Where is the consistency? Or is someone a flamer only when they disagree with you?
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12/14/2006  9:50 PM
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12/14/2006  9:50 PM
the fact that there is no OT: prefix speaks volumes.
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12/14/2006  10:08 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

the fact that there is no OT: prefix speaks volumes.

Why? What team can swap first round picks with us this year? The Bulls. So the better they do, arguably the worse our draft pick will be. How is that OT?

The fact that you were banned but allowed to come back under a new name speaks volumes.
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12/14/2006  10:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by babyKnicks:

the fact that there is no OT: prefix speaks volumes.

Why? What team can swap first round picks with us this year? The Bulls. So the better they do, arguably the worse our draft pick will be. How is that OT?

The fact that you were banned but allowed to come back under a new name speaks volumes.



Is he saying it should be Off-Topic?
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12/14/2006  10:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by babyKnicks:

the fact that there is no OT: prefix speaks volumes.

Why? What team can swap first round picks with us this year? The Bulls. So the better they do, arguably the worse our draft pick will be. How is that OT?

The fact that you were banned but allowed to come back under a new name speaks volumes.

It's on topic, but it's also possible that if the Knicks don't finish too poorly, and Curry continues to produce at a high level, that the trade will prove to have been a good one for the Knicks.
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12/14/2006  10:29 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by babyKnicks:

the fact that there is no OT: prefix speaks volumes.

Why? What team can swap first round picks with us this year? The Bulls. So the better they do, arguably the worse our draft pick will be. How is that OT?

The fact that you were banned but allowed to come back under a new name speaks volumes.

It's on topic, but it's also possible that if the Knicks don't finish too poorly, and Curry continues to produce at a high level, that the trade will prove to have been a good one for the Knicks.

That's fine but it is most definitely on topic.

I think that Curry will have to produce at a much higher level for the trade to be a good one for the Knicks.
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