Great Fucking point

Houston has no one do they? Yao and Tracey, might open things up for battier 8.8pts and 3.7rbs is very impressive

Posey and Williams Please both have been injured, and these are impressive stats
Williams 7.8pts 4.2 ass
Posey 5.2pts 4.0rbs

Mike Miller traded for Drew Gooden I would say that the grizzles got the better deal here
14.3 6.7rbs 4.2ass vs. 11.2pts 8.7rbs

Isiah had expiring contracts to work with and that is the most important thing in todays nba, was it worth giving up expiring deals to lock in crawford through 2010-11, he shoots it at 41%, and he is no bargin because you had to take on Jerome Williams in order to get him so crawford in reality to come here is essentially costing us 15 million for 41% shotting, you mention Nate like its hard to find a scorer that is going to get killed by bigger guards and has the one of the worst assist to turnover ratios in the league.......Isiah has brought in a few nice pieces but has been ****ed up his ass to get them, every deal he has done he has managed a way to give up as much as possible, even when he doesn't have too......

And i love how everyone puts brown and francis together, your the gm you don't make orlando the best team in the east by accident you remove their problem and allow them to flourish, great job on that one isiah!!!

If you think the crawford trade was good your dreaming, you can always get draft picks for a price that late in the draft

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Posted by fishmike:

Posted by TMS:

that's true, he's not responsible for Pau Gasol, but tell me who else you'd prefer to go after to replace Isiah, fish... at least West has a championship pedigree as an NBA GM.

& please don't say Kiki Vandeweghe.

Dude.. I would LOOOOOVE Wesst to be GM here. I still think he's a great GM. My point is West as made moves that havent worked out, but I cant say any of them are actually bad moves. Also I applaud that after 3 playoff sweeps he recognized a need to go in a different direction, even knowing it would cost them wins.

I'm trying to just point out there is a difference between moves that dont work out, and bad moves. West hasnt done a good job because his moves have not worked in Memphis. Isiah has done a BAD job because he's made BAD moves.

You're nuts....If you are hanging you hat on those 3 instances of "Bad Move" as the reason Isiah should go then you have no argument...Curry is turning into a stud...You have no idea what Tyrus Thomas is going to be...The Nets drafted a player from Ohio State at the number 2 spot a few years back, his name was Dennis Hopson..Need I say more...Signing JJ had NO impact on the team whatsoever...The Knicks needed a big body in the middle at the time and they had no where to turn...By the way, Frye is a PF and not a center....The Steve Francis trade was all Larry Brown...Larry went over Zeke's head to Dolan for that trade...Dolan said Larry came to him "begging" for that deal to get done....If these are your arguments then it's pretty thin...

Frye is a PF who scores better at C, defends better at C and played C for 4 years in college. He sucks at PF and plays well at PF. I've shown the stats. Pretend he's a PF all you want.

Larry also apparently begged for guys that played defense. Why didnt he get those? Oh right, its because he's not the GM and cant make trades, only Isiah can do that. Right.. forgot about that point.

Your right.. Curry is a stud. We arent 4-6 in the last 10 games since his Ewing like arrival, and yes, we can use the F word when talking about him.

Lenny and Larry... great hires
Marbury... worth taking Penny and giving up picks for. The Suns thank us every day for that one
Francis... Larry's fault
Jerome James... great hire. Why keep Jackie "a free first rounder" Butler
Who needs a #2 pick.. hey wasnt Francis a #2 pick?
Mo Taylor... actually gave a pick for him. Oh I forgot, he's a key to the impending KG trade
Jalen Rose... $30+mm is a fair amount to spend to a late first rounder
Vin Baker... great bigman
Tim Thomas, Nazr Mohammed... critical to that exciting playoff run. BTW.. the coach at the time said "please dont trade them."

Oh yea... what Layden's winning % vs. Isiah's?

Wow...

If you didn't know the Knicks were ****ed when he traded KVH and Doleac two player that were perfect for Marbury's style of play and a sign of things to come, athletes over team chemistry you need to evaluate your knowledge as a fan

Frye is not really a starter either, he is someone that should only be on the floor with defenders, a big center is going to kill him a quick pf will eat him alive

what big center? Frye is 6'11 260+ with a long wingspan. Frye plays big guys quite well because he can be physical. When he chases around smaller PFs he gets used.

MS - what shots did Marbury call?

West had a nice thing going in year two and three but his owner is bailing out on him and they have to institute a rebuild to cut costs. Jerry is haning on to get paid his last year of his deal.

THere is no comparison.

If Eddy contiues to put up these numbers and Ty does not become Elvin Hayes, and we are out of the lottory then we did a good trade.

Right now it can be said this season Eddy is a top 3 center in the east. This one may just turn out ok in the long run after all.

He doesn't make Jefferies out to be the savior? All I have heard is how important he is and what a different team the knicks are going to be when he gets back, he is the glue that will hold it all together.....

This year Channing was hurting more than helping he was stuck out on the perimeter and shooting a low percentage and getting killed on the defense.....

You don't see a problem with the constant deflection of blame? The crowd? Larry? The injuires? We are not that injured either.....

Lee is also someone you always need to have a body on because he is going to get every lose ball and he is a finisher, i don't really see a problem saying that Curry has been a different player with lee, as opposed to channing but nice try?

And my favorite is you think fans have any tolerance for Isiah? He is hated throughout the city and is a snake everyone knows it......And its laughable, he is getting Magic to talk to stephon, the ****ing guy has played for three point guards two of which are hall of famers, and the other one knows more about the game than most and it still doesn't click its redundent to hear, and NY is tired of the same smile every time Isiah is trying to explain the faults of the team, the coaching in the past, how fans don't see the game the right way, his way....... Give me a break please try to tell me what i said isn't true

we are talking about how he was making excuses for the slow start and talking about him really being the difference maker for the team, winners let the players play and let their play speak, you don't make excuses for a slow start, schedule etc, every team goes throw it.....so yes in many respects his referring to jefferies in that light can be viewed as him being the saving grace, the piece that gets the team where he needs it to be, the game changing player he has been waiting for, ie the savior........which i thought was unfair; and you can't tell me you are hoping that he is and i can bet some fans expectations are raised higher than normal because of having him back in the lineup......

What i do like from what i heard from curry is jefferies was directing the defense and telling players where to go, which is something that helps especially next to Q the more vocal people the better.....

So i would say Isiah has made him out to be the savior yes......

I answered it, if he used the word no, did he refer to him as much yes.......

Did dolan use Larry Browns name when he was talking yesterday no he referred to him as that coach, its very closely related.

He made excuses early on that you can't expect much from the knicks because they were missing a guy with career averages of 6 and 5, and mentioned you can't judge the teams play and the losses because they didn't have him, thats some pretty lofty expectation to put on a player with those numbers.

this argument is pointless if you can't see what i am saying and didn't listen to isiah early in the season every chance he got to make the excuses for the team

Excuses?

Or defending his job status?

you make the call