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12/11/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Just so everyone sees it - Curry over the last nine games:

24.9ppg
8.9rpg
61.3%fg
1.0apg
1.0bpg
37.3mpg

this is not just more minutes, this is the best he's ever played in his life, he's 24, he had the summer to workout unlike last year and he finally has a coach who knows how to develop young bigs.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 11-12-2006 1:58 PM]
he's played very well. I especially like how the guards get him the ball of dribble penetration and ball movement, rather than just feed the post and stand around..

But tell me this... whats our record in these games that Eddy goes off on? 4-6 over the last 10 I believe

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12/11/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I can't believe that there's even a negative take on what Curry has been doing. At first is was just his scoring, but gradually as his confidence has grown it's effecting every aspect of his game. CLEARLY it's more than just playing more minutes. The guy is PLAYING BETTER. PERIOD. The teams fortunes will only improve if he continues to play this way. There is no negative or bad side to any of this. Can we all just finally start to get behind this team and what Isiah is doing? Would it kill some of you to admit that Isiah did know what he was doing? isiah said at the start of the year that he wanted to make Curry an All Star type player and it's starting to look like he might be able to do that. He may not make it this year, but he'll get attention for sure. Let's all just hope and pray that he continues to play this well and stays healthy.


Word... this is exactly what the Knicks need. An offensive threat that can score consistently. They need two or three guys that they can expect numbers from night in and night out. Hopefully that can be Curry, Q and someone else at some point this season. When the Knicks go offensive droughts, its because they can't decide who is option number 1,2,3 etc. They all think the other guy is option #1.
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12/11/2006  2:17 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Just so everyone sees it - Curry over the last nine games:

24.9ppg
8.9rpg
61.3%fg
1.0apg
1.0bpg
37.3mpg

this is not just more minutes, this is the best he's ever played in his life, he's 24, he had the summer to workout unlike last year and he finally has a coach who knows how to develop young bigs.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 11-12-2006 1:58 PM]

So you're saying that this is now the real Curry and what we can expect from him for the rest of his career, if not more. Right?
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12/11/2006  2:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:



Did Jordan improve his game in other ways? Yes.

Curry's game is basically the same it's always been. The only difference between this year and last is that his minutes have increased so his numbers have adjusted accordingly.

I really do agree with that. Curry improved his conditioning and I do believe he improved his touch around the hoop but his game is really the same as it always has been. I guess the best thing you can say is that Curry has been given more minutes and he's capitalized on him.

sounds to me like Curry's an improved player this year.
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12/11/2006  2:29 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

Just so everyone sees it - Curry over the last nine games:

24.9ppg
8.9rpg
61.3%fg
1.0apg
1.0bpg
37.3mpg

this is not just more minutes, this is the best he's ever played in his life, he's 24, he had the summer to workout unlike last year and he finally has a coach who knows how to develop young bigs.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 11-12-2006 1:58 PM]
he's played very well. I especially like how the guards get him the ball of dribble penetration and ball movement, rather than just feed the post and stand around..

But tell me this... whats our record in these games that Eddy goes off on? 4-6 over the last 10 I believe

fish, do the W's & L's really matter that much to you at this point (other than not finishing w/such a bad record that the Bulls end up winning the lottery & Greg Oden obviously)? did you expect this team to do much of anything this year? i sure didn't... i expected to see some improvement out of the young guys, especially Curry, & so far that's exactly what i've been seeing.
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12/11/2006  2:46 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:

Just so everyone sees it - Curry over the last nine games:

24.9ppg
8.9rpg
61.3%fg
1.0apg
1.0bpg
37.3mpg

this is not just more minutes, this is the best he's ever played in his life, he's 24, he had the summer to workout unlike last year and he finally has a coach who knows how to develop young bigs.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 11-12-2006 1:58 PM]

So you're saying that this is now the real Curry and what we can expect from him for the rest of his career, if not more. Right?


If this is the real Curry, Isiah should be applauded for getting a franchise player on the cheap. I think right now he can probably be counted on for 20ppg and 8rpg, which is pretty damn good. He's becoming a dominant scorer. Obviously, he's going to have bad games and he's going to get triple teamed if our crap guards can't keep teams honest - that's what Shaq does though - he makes other players around him better and if they are hitting the wide open shots he creates for them, it's impossible to guard Shaq. Duncan does this too. The next step for Curry is going to be to learn to pass out of the post and kill teams for doubling or tripling him. It took Ewing YEARS to learn this. Duncan was great at this right off the bat. Curry is getting better, but he's going to have to find people consistently to keep teams from packing the paint. If he gets to point where he's getting three assists a night, he's going to be able to average 24ppg or more consistently. Right now, he's scoring on a par with what Yao and Gasol did at age 24. Those guys continued to improve over the next two years, I don't think there's any reason to expect Curry NOT to do the same and improve his overall game while learning how to score more consistently.
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12/11/2006  2:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

Just so everyone sees it - Curry over the last nine games:

24.9ppg
8.9rpg
61.3%fg
1.0apg
1.0bpg
37.3mpg

this is not just more minutes, this is the best he's ever played in his life, he's 24, he had the summer to workout unlike last year and he finally has a coach who knows how to develop young bigs.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 11-12-2006 1:58 PM]
he's played very well. I especially like how the guards get him the ball of dribble penetration and ball movement, rather than just feed the post and stand around..

But tell me this... whats our record in these games that Eddy goes off on? 4-6 over the last 10 I believe

they're 4-5 over the 9 game streak. not great, but we've had players fluctuating in and out over that span as well. if Jefferies can stay healthy and provide some passing and defense and rebounding and we sort out the guard situation just a little, I think the wins will start piling up.

I'd very interested to see what Jefferies can do against Pierce tonight. I think Curry should be able to dominate Boston again tonight, he destroyed them in Boston.
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12/11/2006  2:54 PM
i think the biggest mistake we can make when discussing Eddy Curry is to bring up names like Shaq & Duncan... he is never going to be the defensive players or even the passers that those guys were... we need to be comparing Eddy Curry to the young centers that are active right now... other than Yao Ming, Dwight Howard & Jermaine O'Neal, i think Eddy's progressing to the point where we can compare him pretty favorably to the other top young C's in the game right now... that has to be pretty encouraging to even the most pessimistic Knick fan i would think.

for all the tons of posts people have made on this forum over the past few years over "stud can't miss centers" coming into the draft like Bogut, Bynum & Milicic, i'd say Eddy Curry's a pretty damn good up & coming center himself.
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12/11/2006  2:56 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think the biggest mistake we can make when discussing Eddy Curry is to bring up names like Shaq & Duncan... he is never going to be the defensive players or even the passers that those guys were... we need to be comparing Eddy Curry to the young centers that are active right now... other than Yao Ming, Dwight Howard & Jermaine O'Neal, i think Eddy's progressing to the point where we can compare him pretty favorably to the other top young C's in the game right now... that has to be pretty encouraging to even the most pessimistic Knick fan i would think.

for all the tons of posts people have made on this forum over the past few years over "stud can't miss centers" coming into the draft like Bogut, Bynum & Milicic, i'd say Eddy Curry's a pretty damn good up & coming center himself.

If Curry was on the Bulls averaging 25ppg and 9rpg over a long stretch, there'd be people here killing Isiah for never being able to get a player like Eddy.
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12/11/2006  3:08 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

If Curry was on the Bulls averaging 25ppg and 9rpg over a long stretch, there'd be people here killing Isiah for never being able to get a player like Eddy.

i said the exact same thing a few days ago... it always boggles my mind why players seem to have so much more value to some people when they're playing for other teams rather than when they're producing for our own... meanwhile if we had drafted Ty Thomas & he was only playing 11 mpg & averaging 4 & 3 on the year, we'd probably be killing Isiah for wasting a #2 overall pick.
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12/11/2006  3:25 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:

i think the biggest mistake we can make when discussing Eddy Curry is to bring up names like Shaq & Duncan... he is never going to be the defensive players or even the passers that those guys were... we need to be comparing Eddy Curry to the young centers that are active right now... other than Yao Ming, Dwight Howard & Jermaine O'Neal, i think Eddy's progressing to the point where we can compare him pretty favorably to the other top young C's in the game right now... that has to be pretty encouraging to even the most pessimistic Knick fan i would think.

for all the tons of posts people have made on this forum over the past few years over "stud can't miss centers" coming into the draft like Bogut, Bynum & Milicic, i'd say Eddy Curry's a pretty damn good up & coming center himself.

If Curry was on the Bulls averaging 25ppg and 9rpg over a long stretch, there'd be people here killing Isiah for never being able to get a player like Eddy.

Player like Eddy? We kill Isiah for not being able to get a Franchise player. EDDY IS NOT A FRANCHISE PLAYER!!! God, get over it already.

He's had a nice stretch with the additional minutes. He's had nice strecthes before offensively. You really must be crazy to think that this is what you can expect from now on, if not more, from Curry.

And he still sucks defensively.
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12/11/2006  3:27 PM
then i guess you'd also be killing Isiah for drafting Ty Thomas too... unless you happen to think he's a franchise player.
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12/11/2006  4:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

then i guess you'd also be killing Isiah for drafting Ty Thomas too... unless you happen to think he's a franchise player.

Why do you automatically assume it would have been Ty Thomas when Isiah could have drafted anybody aside from Bargnani?
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12/11/2006  4:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

then i guess you'd also be killing Isiah for drafting Ty Thomas too... unless you happen to think he's a franchise player.

Why do you automatically assume it would have been Ty Thomas when Isiah could have drafted anybody aside from Bargnani?

well, I think it's hilarious that a bunch of people were moaning that Adam Morrison was going to be a superstar. Dude is too slow for the NBA, which I said at the time. I'd rather have Curry than anyone from the 06 draft. we'll see what happens with the 07 pick.
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12/11/2006  4:23 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:

i think the biggest mistake we can make when discussing Eddy Curry is to bring up names like Shaq & Duncan... he is never going to be the defensive players or even the passers that those guys were... we need to be comparing Eddy Curry to the young centers that are active right now... other than Yao Ming, Dwight Howard & Jermaine O'Neal, i think Eddy's progressing to the point where we can compare him pretty favorably to the other top young C's in the game right now... that has to be pretty encouraging to even the most pessimistic Knick fan i would think.

for all the tons of posts people have made on this forum over the past few years over "stud can't miss centers" coming into the draft like Bogut, Bynum & Milicic, i'd say Eddy Curry's a pretty damn good up & coming center himself.

If Curry was on the Bulls averaging 25ppg and 9rpg over a long stretch, there'd be people here killing Isiah for never being able to get a player like Eddy.
not if the Bulls are winning 25 games a year. I dont see anyone around here wishing we had a player like Zach Randolph or Baron Davis or Corey Maggette. All we have on our roster is stat guys. Notice the fan favorites are the guys that just play hard and try to WIN.

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12/11/2006  4:36 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

then i guess you'd also be killing Isiah for drafting Ty Thomas too... unless you happen to think he's a franchise player.

Why do you automatically assume it would have been Ty Thomas when Isiah could have drafted anybody aside from Bargnani?

what other franchise players were drafted last year in your opinion? just curious.
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12/11/2006  4:57 PM
TMS no matter what Isiah does. To Islesfan it won't be good enough. He just hates the guy with a passion.

If he never traded for Curry and drafted Ty Thomas and Ty Thomas was a superstar he would say well he did have the #2 pick and Ty Thomas fell to him. If he drafted Ty Thomas and Ty Thomas sucked. He would bash Isiahs drafting skills.

If this team turns into a good team and goes to the playoffs and wins a playoff series. He would say well he owes us since he made us suck for so long or something to that nature. Or say well the east is weak and this team really only got lucky. He doesn't care about being credible or objective so you can't win. If you hit him with any logical answers he will just ignore it and find the one post to pick on.
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12/11/2006  5:09 PM
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12/11/2006  5:29 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

TMS no matter what Isiah does. To Islesfan it won't be good enough. He just hates the guy with a passion.

If he never traded for Curry and drafted Ty Thomas and Ty Thomas was a superstar he would say well he did have the #2 pick and Ty Thomas fell to him. If he drafted Ty Thomas and Ty Thomas sucked. He would bash Isiahs drafting skills.

If this team turns into a good team and goes to the playoffs and wins a playoff series. He would say well he owes us since he made us suck for so long or something to that nature. Or say well the east is weak and this team really only got lucky. He doesn't care about being credible or objective so you can't win. If you hit him with any logical answers he will just ignore it and find the one post to pick on.

Yeah because I've been really wrong about Isiah since the very beginning. How's that for logic?
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12/11/2006  5:30 PM
Bottom line is Eddy is showing improvement and an abreviated consistancey.

IF he can continue, he is an allstar, if not, he is just fat Eddy.

I'd rather have a successful Isiah than a loser Isiah.

Isles, fear not, Isiah is likely gone at sometime.
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