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2/7/2007  9:17 PM
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How can anyone look at a game like what Curry did in Orlando and still want to trade him? The guy is a dominant force. That behind the back pass to DLee? That's something you learn from experience, Curry looked a lot like Shaq on that play. I'm sorry, but the kid is a rare beast in the post.

He's dominated Bynum, Howard the last couple of weeks, not just beat, DOMINATED.

Get over it, he's good.

keeping him is fine with me. but we would need a MASSIVE overhaul at every other position to compliment him. that means a new shooting guard. and new point guard (that we'll need anyway), a new SF, and a new stud defensive PF. if you're prepared to trade alot of other guys on the team, then cool, but that's what it would take.
We don't have the assets to get the players to compliment Curry with the supporting cast you're talking about. We didn't have a lot of assets to begin with and we gave up four picks (and will get a later one back) to get this one dimensional player. Now we're left building around a flawed player without the assets to compensate for those flaws.
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2/7/2007  9:19 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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How can anyone look at a game like what Curry did in Orlando and still want to trade him? The guy is a dominant force. That behind the back pass to DLee? That's something you learn from experience, Curry looked a lot like Shaq on that play. I'm sorry, but the kid is a rare beast in the post.

He's dominated Bynum, Howard the last couple of weeks, not just beat, DOMINATED.

Get over it, he's good.

keeping him is fine with me. but we would need a MASSIVE overhaul at every other position to compliment him. that means a new shooting guard. and new point guard (that we'll need anyway), a new SF, and a new stud defensive PF. if you're prepared to trade alot of other guys on the team, then cool, but that's what it would take.

Well, Dlee shouldn't be going anywhere. I think Crawford can be our PG, I'd really like to see him get more and more minutes there. We do need a legit SF and a legit SG.

I think Curry, Craw and DLee are your building blocks, trade whatever else to get it done. I like Balkman, but I don't think he can start at SF, so if he can traded for a true starter, you have to do it. Frye, Nate, QRich and Jefferies should all be relatively tradeable.

I would say the same. Don't like Marbury as a point for the bigs. I don't believe Q rich is really a small forward or a shooting guard next to Crawford. And Crawford really isn't a shooter shooting guard. He is a scorer who is good at passing and can run the offense. I like Crawford the most out our Perimeter players becausse he does what a scorer should do and scores.

We need a Real two way Smallforward and a Good Defensive play making Point Guard. Both need to be able to hit an open three. Im also not against getting rid of Crawford because of Marbury probably being the last one we are able to move.

But Curry and Lee are keepers. I'd get a great deal for frye and try to build players up instead of trading for this or that. THe knicks have time, they should build players up!!!!!
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2/7/2007  9:20 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
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How can anyone look at a game like what Curry did in Orlando and still want to trade him? The guy is a dominant force. That behind the back pass to DLee? That's something you learn from experience, Curry looked a lot like Shaq on that play. I'm sorry, but the kid is a rare beast in the post.

He's dominated Bynum, Howard the last couple of weeks, not just beat, DOMINATED.

Get over it, he's good.

keeping him is fine with me. but we would need a MASSIVE overhaul at every other position to compliment him. that means a new shooting guard. and new point guard (that we'll need anyway), a new SF, and a new stud defensive PF. if you're prepared to trade alot of other guys on the team, then cool, but that's what it would take.
We don't have the assets to get the players to compliment Curry with the supporting cast you're talking about. We didn't have a lot of assets to begin with and we gave up four picks (and will get a later one back) to get this one dimensional player. Now we're left building around a flawed player without the assets to compensate for those flaws.

Frye, Nate, Jefferies, Qrich, Balkman, Bulls pick in 2007, our pick in 2008, our pick in 2009, MLE every year

DLee is an asset that you keep. Same with Crawford, he's just not a shooting guard, he's a point guard.

We have plenty of assets/talent that is moveable.
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2/7/2007  9:24 PM
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2/7/2007  9:26 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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How can anyone look at a game like what Curry did in Orlando and still want to trade him? The guy is a dominant force. That behind the back pass to DLee? That's something you learn from experience, Curry looked a lot like Shaq on that play. I'm sorry, but the kid is a rare beast in the post.

He's dominated Bynum, Howard the last couple of weeks, not just beat, DOMINATED.

Get over it, he's good.

keeping him is fine with me. but we would need a MASSIVE overhaul at every other position to compliment him. that means a new shooting guard. and new point guard (that we'll need anyway), a new SF, and a new stud defensive PF. if you're prepared to trade alot of other guys on the team, then cool, but that's what it would take.
We don't have the assets to get the players to compliment Curry with the supporting cast you're talking about. We didn't have a lot of assets to begin with and we gave up four picks (and will get a later one back) to get this one dimensional player. Now we're left building around a flawed player without the assets to compensate for those flaws.

Frye, Nate, Jefferies, Qrich, Balkman, Bulls pick in 2007, our pick in 2008, our pick in 2009, MLE every year

DLee is an asset that you keep. Same with Crawford, he's just not a shooting guard, he's a point guard.

We have plenty of assets/talent that is moveable.

Frye has some trade value but it's not huge. (It was probably huge last year though.) I think Nate's viewed as an immature kid. You'd get a little for him but not a lot. Jeffries and Q have no trade value. Jeffries is paid $30 mil but should be on the veteran's min. Q is too injury prone to have trade value (especially with the uninsured contract). With those three picks, you're talking about adding one role player a year most likely. That's not gonna turn a .400 team around. We have fewer assets than the average team.
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2/7/2007  9:27 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

How can anyone look at a game like what Curry did in Orlando and still want to trade him? The guy is a dominant force. That behind the back pass to DLee? That's something you learn from experience, Curry looked a lot like Shaq on that play. I'm sorry, but the kid is a rare beast in the post.

He's dominated Bynum, Howard the last couple of weeks, not just beat, DOMINATED.

Get over it, he's good.
man, I wish I could get on board with that, I really do. If I could I would like this team so much more. Your right about those dominating performances. But in the middle of those wins are terrible, no effort, mail it in performances against far inferior opponents. He laid an egg against Mil. In the 3 games before getting hurt had 1,3 and 4 rebounds. I watched him just do nothing against the Nets. The Knicks had just won 4 of 6 and were a game or two out of first in the first meaningfull game we have had in 3 years, and Curry just loafed all night and got pushed around by Collins and Mikki Moore. It was just nauseating to watch (that was the Knick get-together).

Curry has a long way to go to show me he's ever going to be anything close to a good NBA player, much less a dominating one. Its easier to be patient with skills. You watch how guys like Lee, Frye and Balkman and (cant believe I'm saying this) Nate and you can see they bring another level of effort each night than Curry does. How do you teach Eddy to play hard every night? How do you teach him to show up in shape?

Maybe trading him gives him the motivation to be a star. Maybe keeping him in this environment and telling him everynight he's a snubbed all star just reinforces those half effort nights.

I dont have the answers, but Curry is no sure thing right now

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2/7/2007  9:32 PM
Curry has a long way to go to show me he's ever going to be anything close to a good NBA player



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2/7/2007  9:32 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Frye, Nate, Jefferies, Qrich, Balkman, Bulls pick in 2007, our pick in 2008, our pick in 2009, MLE every year

DLee is an asset that you keep. Same with Crawford, he's just not a shooting guard, he's a point guard.

We have plenty of assets/talent that is moveable.
we do owe Utah a first rounder with declining protection

2007 first round draft pick to Utah
New York’s own 2007 1st round pick to Utah via Phoenix (top 24 protected in the 2007 Draft, top 23 protected in the 2008 Draft, top 22 protected in 2009 and unprotected in the 2010 Draft). [New York – Phoenix, 1/5/2004 and then Phoenix – Utah, 2/19/2004]
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2/7/2007  9:34 PM
That's why he didn't mention we had a pick in 2010.................... That's when they will get it, unless you believe the knicks will be top 8 before then.

[Edited by - anji on 02-07-2007 9:35 PM]
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2/7/2007  9:34 PM
Posted by Anji:

Curry has a long way to go to show me he's ever going to be anything close to a good NBA player
exactly how I felt watching him get beat by scrubs that we all KNOW he's 10x better than

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2/7/2007  9:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

Frye, Nate, Jefferies, Qrich, Balkman, Bulls pick in 2007, our pick in 2008, our pick in 2009, MLE every year

DLee is an asset that you keep. Same with Crawford, he's just not a shooting guard, he's a point guard.

We have plenty of assets/talent that is moveable.
we do owe Utah a first rounder with declining protection

2007 first round draft pick to Utah
New York’s own 2007 1st round pick to Utah via Phoenix (top 24 protected in the 2007 Draft, top 23 protected in the 2008 Draft, top 22 protected in 2009 and unprotected in the 2010 Draft). [New York – Phoenix, 1/5/2004 and then Phoenix – Utah, 2/19/2004]

yeah, but since we'd have to be a top eight team to give up that pick, I figured we'd be safe until 2010 when it's unprotected.
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2/7/2007  9:36 PM
Posted by Anji:

That's why he didn't mention we had a pick in 2010....................
The Bulls pick is 22 right now. Should they move down a whopping 2 spots to 24 we have no first rounder this year. Its a realistic possibility. No worries.. this draft sucks anyway

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2/7/2007  9:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:
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Curry has a long way to go to show me he's ever going to be anything close to a good NBA player
exactly how I felt watching him get beat by scrubs that we all KNOW he's 10x better than

he's learning. he IS beating guys that are supposedly better than him like Bogut, Bynum and Dwight these days and I'm happy with that. he's learning to pass better, had three assists against LAC and a beautiful behind the back pass to DLee against orlando. I don't know. I'm starting to think we can actually build a winning team around him. he's becoming very very good.
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2/7/2007  9:38 PM
Posted by fishmike:
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That's why he didn't mention we had a pick in 2010....................
The Bulls pick is 22 right now. Should they move down a whopping 2 spots to 24 we have no first rounder this year. Its a realistic possibility. No worries.. this draft sucks anyway

no, the protection is on the Knicks pick, not whatever pick the Knicks end up with. the protection is on our original pick for 2007.
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2/7/2007  9:38 PM
Utah can refuse any pick that isn't the knicks. We would have giving them Last years Dallas pick if that was the case.
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2/7/2007  9:59 PM
Posted by Anji:

Utah can refuse any pick that isn't the knicks. We would have giving them Last years Dallas pick if that was the case.

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2/7/2007  10:04 PM
either way its not good. Who knows what happens than, but as we have seen anytime there is no protection you set yourself up for bad things. Its like driving with no insurance. I'm sure Memphis NEVER thought they would miss out on a chance to draft Carmelo when they traded Otis Thorpe.

You have to admit.. thats the kind of luck our Knicks have.

Crzy... I hope you are right about Curry, I really do. If it was just an issue of skill than keeping the guy is a layup. But he's got effort issues. Did he have a terrible November because he was learning, or did it take him 15 games to play into shape? That month was a disaster for us. Wouldnt a leaner ready-to-play Curry have helped us then? What happens when he's 300+ again next Nov?

I'm not dogging him here, or hating or any of that crap, but I think as you consider your franchise and how and who to build it with and around these are fair and important questions.
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2/7/2007  10:06 PM
I don't know if Curry's november was a function of not being in shape or the entire team being slow to pickup the offense.

I think a lot of it was the entire team, particularly Curry just needing to get their confidence back after Larry Brown.

also, let's not forget that Marbury was practically sleepwalking thru November and Steve Francis was in uniform, destroying the team one dribble at a time.

I REALLY REALLYREEALLLY hope Francis never plays a game for the Knicks again. EVER.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-07-2007 10:07 PM]
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2/7/2007  10:18 PM
cmon... was Curry in shape in November? I'm not picking a fight here. Just tell me honestly. If you were GM this wouldnt concern you?
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2/7/2007  10:25 PM
There aren't many dominant low post players in the NBA. Why trade such a scarce commodity?
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