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Solace
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12/6/2006  3:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

so the 1 block per game & the however many altered shots he brings is worth more than the 7 points per game difference in offense you're telling me... interesting, how do you come up w/that conclusion? all i see when i watch Dampier play is a big dude w/long arms who's man never has to worry much about him scoring so he's able to double team other players... Curry at least draws double teams down low & lessens the pressure on the guys on the perimeter... Dampier is basically a screen setter & a role playing rebounder/shotblocker... he's never going to be the centerpiece of any offense & no team is going to pay much attention to him when they're on defense... Dampier's a scrub making $11 mil a year, let's get that straight right now.

You need to watch Dallas more. Rebounding is HUGE. Centers who don't rebound are left in the dust. Centers who don't block shots are left in the dust. Dampier is a very good rebounder and decent shotblocker. Curry SUCKS in both categories. Yes, Curry's offense is good. Frankly, if you have a center like Dampier, you'll want a PF who has some inside game to compliment his talents. We're a lot closer to that piece than we are a big man who plays defense, so that alone, is why Dampier + Lee would be better than Curry + Lee. Moving on... Curry's interior offense is good, but his defense is among the league worst. Dampier wouldn't *fix* the Knicks, but he'd be a step in the right direction... and we'd still have our picks.

But, it was just an example.
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12/6/2006  3:45 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

In all honesty, Curry is showing that he's the better center. I understand how it is - Bynum being only 19 and the sky is th limit. But sometimes the sky can come falling down too. Ask Chicken Little.

Curry is better than Bynum at this point. And he's not exactly an old mn either.

You put Bynum on a team like Memphis and let him play 40 minutes and he will put up 17-10-3-3 50%++ and he just turned 19 Right now he plays 14 minutes on a team where he is probably option 4 beh
ind some great players. IF he works hard--where will this kid be at 24? I dont know but I think he'll be good/great level. The thing he can do that curry cant is block/alter protect lane which is HUGE and he's a better passer.
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12/6/2006  5:10 PM
Did Curry work hard from 19 to 24? I doubt it. We don't know whether Bynum will either.
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12/6/2006  5:23 PM
HAHA, NOw it's Dampier..........ooh, ohh, ooh, it hurts... the LAUGHING IS KILLING ME!!!!



My god, the depths some of you will go to when the name Curry is mentioned.
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12/6/2006  5:25 PM
Posted by Rich:

Did Curry work hard from 19 to 24? I doubt it.

And that's exactly the type of player that you want to give a big contract to and give up 2 potential lottery picks for. Right?
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12/6/2006  5:26 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Did Curry work hard from 19 to 24? I doubt it.

And that's exactly the type of player that you want to give a big contract to and give up 2 potential lottery picks for. Right?

I have already said I would not have made the trade. They could still luck out even though it was dumb.
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12/6/2006  5:30 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:

so the 1 block per game & the however many altered shots he brings is worth more than the 7 points per game difference in offense you're telling me... interesting, how do you come up w/that conclusion? all i see when i watch Dampier play is a big dude w/long arms who's man never has to worry much about him scoring so he's able to double team other players... Curry at least draws double teams down low & lessens the pressure on the guys on the perimeter... Dampier is basically a screen setter & a role playing rebounder/shotblocker... he's never going to be the centerpiece of any offense & no team is going to pay much attention to him when they're on defense... Dampier's a scrub making $11 mil a year, let's get that straight right now.

You need to watch Dallas more. Rebounding is HUGE. Centers who don't rebound are left in the dust. Centers who don't block shots are left in the dust. Dampier is a very good rebounder and decent shotblocker. Curry SUCKS in both categories. Yes, Curry's offense is good. Frankly, if you have a center like Dampier, you'll want a PF who has some inside game to compliment his talents. We're a lot closer to that piece than we are a big man who plays defense, so that alone, is why Dampier + Lee would be better than Curry + Lee. Moving on... Curry's interior offense is good, but his defense is among the league worst. Dampier wouldn't *fix* the Knicks, but he'd be a step in the right direction... and we'd still have our picks.

But, it was just an example.

Seriously, people get so worked up over Curry scoring 20+ in 7 straight games. I'm much more impressed by his 13 game streak with only 1 blocked shot TOTAL. Or his 7 game streak with no more than 7 rebounds.
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12/6/2006  5:51 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:

so the 1 block per game & the however many altered shots he brings is worth more than the 7 points per game difference in offense you're telling me... interesting, how do you come up w/that conclusion? all i see when i watch Dampier play is a big dude w/long arms who's man never has to worry much about him scoring so he's able to double team other players... Curry at least draws double teams down low & lessens the pressure on the guys on the perimeter... Dampier is basically a screen setter & a role playing rebounder/shotblocker... he's never going to be the centerpiece of any offense & no team is going to pay much attention to him when they're on defense... Dampier's a scrub making $11 mil a year, let's get that straight right now.

You need to watch Dallas more. Rebounding is HUGE. Centers who don't rebound are left in the dust. Centers who don't block shots are left in the dust. Dampier is a very good rebounder and decent shotblocker. Curry SUCKS in both categories. Yes, Curry's offense is good. Frankly, if you have a center like Dampier, you'll want a PF who has some inside game to compliment his talents. We're a lot closer to that piece than we are a big man who plays defense, so that alone, is why Dampier + Lee would be better than Curry + Lee. Moving on... Curry's interior offense is good, but his defense is among the league worst. Dampier wouldn't *fix* the Knicks, but he'd be a step in the right direction... and we'd still have our picks.

But, it was just an example.

Seriously, people get so worked up over Curry scoring 20+ in 7 straight games. I'm much more impressed by his 13 game streak with only 1 blocked shot TOTAL. Or his 7 game streak with no more than 7 rebounds.

isles, if we had Dampier instead of Curry, you'd be harping on the lack of a low post scoring option right about now... the guy's a scrub... he's Big Turd James w/twice as large a contract & a little better conditioning... & if you don't want to get excited over Curry scoring 20+ in 7 straight, that's fine, but that doesn't mean it's not something to get excited over... the kid's showing steady improvement & his rebounding averages have even gone up (yeah, i know, he's a poor rebounder, what else is new?)... i don't see why you can't look to put a shotblocker/rebounder playing next to him in place of Frye if you want to address that aspect of the game... we have the trade chips to get a guy like that imo.
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12/6/2006  5:55 PM
Comparing Dampier to Jerome James is insane. Dampier isn't an godly center, but my God, Jerome James is a sloth. The fact that you can make such a comparison... well, I don't know what to say. Dampier is better than you're giving him credit for.

He's not worth $75 million (and we had no way of overpaying him to that level anyway), but neither is Eddy Curry.

[Edited by - Solace on 06-12-2006 5:56 PM]
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12/6/2006  5:55 PM
All i know about Bynum is that he is a great passing big, who is active and will block some shots, he lost a ton of weight after he was drafted and looked like he made some progress on his game

Curry has shown limited offensive progress other than this stretch; he has showed zero progress on the defensive end and doesn't do anything other than score the basketball
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12/6/2006  6:09 PM
$75 million dollars for a career 8 & 8 player... i think the comparisons aren't as far off as you may think Solace.
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12/6/2006  6:21 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:

D Lee's giving us 10 & 9 for alot less dollars... the only thing Dampier does that i wish we had is block shots... definitely not nearly worth the amount of dollars he's making... the guy's a career 8 & 8 player making star level dollars for the next 4 years... he's garbage.

This isn't about Lee. Dampier next to Lee would've been a lot nicer than Curry... and we might still have a shot at Oden.
No, Dampier next to Lee means ZERO scoring in the paint.
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12/6/2006  6:24 PM
Posted by TMS:

$75 million dollars for a career 8 & 8 player... i think the comparisons aren't as far off as you may think Solace.

Dallas Mavericks, 62 wins, NBA finals.
New York Knicks, 23 wins, 2nd worst record.

The differences seem pretty vast. Dampier and James were both a piece of their team's records. It came as no surprise to me that Dallas got even better after acquiring Dampier. You can't say the same about Jerome James. Furthermore, you fail to mention that Dampier puts up his stats in 25 mpg.

Here's a comparison of Dampier, Curry and James per 48 minutes (Career):

Dampier - 16.5 ppg, 14.4 rpg, 2.88 blks, 1.5 asts
Curry - 24.8 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.6 blks, 1 asts
Snacks - 15.7 ppg, 10.9 rpg, 4.11 blks, .8 asts

I kept the stats short, obviously some stats like FG%, etc... (feel free to fill them in, if you so desire) were left out, for making the point of brevity. We know Curry is, by far, the best scorer of the bunch. Dampier is slightly better than Snacks, but not that much better in the scoring department. Dampier is a very good rebounder, while Curry and Snacks are below-average for centers. Jerome James is a very good shot blocker (mostly due to his size), Dampier is good, and Curry is poor. Dampier also passes the ball the best of the bunch.

Other than the youth argument on Curry, which may even be fair in this case, this stats are pretty indicative of the things we're missing. Frontcourt rebounding and defense. James just isn't on the court enough to provide these things, and Dampier, particularly in rebounding, is very much ahead of Snacks. Hopefully this ends this silly comparison. Dampier is overpaid in that he's making $75 million over 7, when maybe he's only really worth say $50 million over 7. Jerome James is making $30 million over 6, when maybe he's only worth $6 million over 6. Eddy Curry is making something like $70 million over 6 years, and he's probably worth more like $40 million over that span. So they're all overpaid, but it's clearly different magnitudes.
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12/6/2006  6:41 PM
give me a hard working player like Etan Thomas everyday of the week & twice on Sunday over Erick Dampier... their #'s are pretty comparable, but Etan's actually paid commensurate to his production level, unlike Dampier & Turdboy... a guy w/Dampier's size & ability who doesn't focus on scoring points & being paid the dollars he makes should be putting up double digit rebounds on a nightly basis at the bare minimum... Curry's no rebounder, but at least he's putting up some good offensive production... i don't see where you're coming up w/these arbitrary dollars to worth figures either... if you double those per 48 min statlines for Turd you'd get more than Erick Dampier production... double his salary & it's still less than what Dampier's making... the comparison is silly because both are scrubs making obscene amounts of money, not because Dampier's that much better of a basketball player.
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12/6/2006  7:19 PM
Happy Birthday Eddy Curry

You just turned 24

In 2011 you will be a grizzled veteran at the ripe old age of 29

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12/6/2006  8:35 PM
a guy w/Dampier's size & ability who doesn't focus on scoring points & being paid the dollars he makes should be putting up double digit rebounds on a nightly basis at the bare minimum
In 25 mpg? Even David Lee doesn't put up double digit rebounds in comparable minutes. His minutes and rebounds are basically identical to Lee's actually.
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12/6/2006  9:23 PM
Posted by TMS:

give me a hard working player like Etan Thomas everyday of the week & twice on Sunday over Erick Dampier... their #'s are pretty comparable, but Etan's actually paid commensurate to his production level, unlike Dampier & Turdboy... a guy w/Dampier's size & ability who doesn't focus on scoring points & being paid the dollars he makes should be putting up double digit rebounds on a nightly basis at the bare minimum... Curry's no rebounder, but at least he's putting up some good offensive production... i don't see where you're coming up w/these arbitrary dollars to worth figures either... if you double those per 48 min statlines for Turd you'd get more than Erick Dampier production... double his salary & it's still less than what Dampier's making... the comparison is silly because both are scrubs making obscene amounts of money, not because Dampier's that much better of a basketball player.

That's the most ridiculous logic I've ever heard. Dampier's stats should be double JJ's because he makes double?? OK. Let's see. David Lee is making about $1 million or so, and is putting up 11 points a game. Shaq is making $30 million. Therefore, Shaq should be putting up 330 points a game, if I understand your logic? Just checking.

Anyway, Dampier matters to his team, Jerome James does not. So what's worse? Paying close to double what a player is worth or paying a guy $30 million for 12 cents worth of production? Ok, then.
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12/7/2006  9:32 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:

give me a hard working player like Etan Thomas everyday of the week & twice on Sunday over Erick Dampier... their #'s are pretty comparable, but Etan's actually paid commensurate to his production level, unlike Dampier & Turdboy... a guy w/Dampier's size & ability who doesn't focus on scoring points & being paid the dollars he makes should be putting up double digit rebounds on a nightly basis at the bare minimum... Curry's no rebounder, but at least he's putting up some good offensive production... i don't see where you're coming up w/these arbitrary dollars to worth figures either... if you double those per 48 min statlines for Turd you'd get more than Erick Dampier production... double his salary & it's still less than what Dampier's making... the comparison is silly because both are scrubs making obscene amounts of money, not because Dampier's that much better of a basketball player.

That's the most ridiculous logic I've ever heard. Dampier's stats should be double JJ's because he makes double?? OK. Let's see. David Lee is making about $1 million or so, and is putting up 11 points a game. Shaq is making $30 million. Therefore, Shaq should be putting up 330 points a game, if I understand your logic? Just checking.

Anyway, Dampier matters to his team, Jerome James does not. So what's worse? Paying close to double what a player is worth or paying a guy $30 million for 12 cents worth of production? Ok, then.

dude, that's the same ridiculous logic you just used to make your comparisons of their production & alloting arbitrary dollar figures to the production those guys put out... the comparsions are silly because bothy Dampier & Big Turd are crap players that are obscenely overpaid... yeah, Dampier's better than JJ but he's also making a TON more money... is that good value for the dollar? i don't think it is... would i rather have Eddy Curry over Dampier? hell yes i would... you have a much higher view of Erick Dampier than i do bro... i think he's garbage.

& please, can you stop w/the "Dampier helps his teams win" BS? how much did he help the Warriors win games before he got to Dallas? could it be that Dallas simply has a MUCH better team that they're winning games? i think a guy named Dirk plays on that team, correct me if i'm wrong... they also have a guy named Josh Howard who's pretty good too i hear, along w/a slew of other talented players that fit in well on that team... Erick Dampier's a slug who sets picks, grabs rebounds & blocks a shot per game... at the salary he's making, he's probably 1 of the most overpaid players in the NBA.

& please don't turn this into a Dampier vs Big Turd thread... you were saying you'd rather have Dampier than Curry, & i wholeheartedly disagree.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-07-2006 09:53 AM]
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12/7/2006  9:34 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
a guy w/Dampier's size & ability who doesn't focus on scoring points & being paid the dollars he makes should be putting up double digit rebounds on a nightly basis at the bare minimum
In 25 mpg? Even David Lee doesn't put up double digit rebounds in comparable minutes. His minutes and rebounds are basically identical to Lee's actually.

D Lee also doesn't make $11 million dollars per year.
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12/7/2006  10:07 AM
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Lakes should fire Phil for taking it public!

If he wants to talk that trash he can do on the side of the road!

Agreed. It is totally unacceptable for a coach to call out a player in public like that. Phil should be dismissed and not entitled to receive the rest of the money on his contract.

Thank you for saying that so I didn't have to.

The difference is that Phil actually wants to coach the Lakers within their power structure while Larry wanted out.
Thank you for saying that so I didn't have to.

Touche. Really can't argue that.

ditto
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