Posted by nyk4ever:

Eddy Curry also hasn't played defense and I didn't hear Kenny Smith saying he would be a great bet to improve it. That's all I'm saying.

Thats not what you are saying. In the post I quoted you on above, you implied Kenny said you have to accept a player wont play D. I called you out on that. I never said Kenny would bet he gets better. I said Kenny said Eddy is not a shot blocker.

Why is it such a god damn crime that I'm worried about his defense? Please tell me that right now.

Never said anything to you about being worried. I consistently said you are being too negative and not expecting improvement when he has shown steady progress in scoring, rebounding, fouling less and playing more minutes. And when someone said you were being negative, you tried to justify it so I'm doing my part in justifying me.

Eddy is coming on strong and his newfound confidence on offense is actually helping him to be more aggressive on D as well. I think like everything having to do with this team, it's a matter of patience. Some of us have been preaching that this team needs time to keep developing as a group and some don't think it's a time issue. They think that these players lack the ability to improve in the way that we think they can. Well I'll continue to say be patient and let this season play out and the team grow naturally as it should.

Now we're seeing Curry improve, both Steph and Francis are now starting to be more team oriented players, David Lee is playing hard and producing etc. It just shows that we have to give this team more time to allow them to get healthy as well. We have Jared and Frye coming back and that's a great plus down the line.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Thats not what you are saying. In the post I quoted you on above, you implied Kenny said you have to accept a player wont play D. I called you out on that. I never said Kenny would bet he gets better. I said Kenny said Eddy is not a shot blocker.

Never said anything to you about being worried. I consistently said you are being too negative and not expecting improvement when he has shown steady progress in scoring, rebounding, fouling less and playing more minutes. And when someone said you were being negative, you tried to justify it so I'm doing my part in justifying me.

I'm tired of arguing you the same exact point with you.

You expect Eddy to become a better defender like it's his God-given right and I don't necessarily think its a certainty to happen, theres plenty of players in this league that haven't improved there defense and until Eddy starts asserting himself defensively, I'll start giving him some props.

Why its such a big deal for people to actually see something before they believe it is baffling to me. Unless you guys are talking to Ms. Cleo, my guess is just as good as yours.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-04-2006 10:36 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Why its such a big deal for people to actually see something before they believe it is baffling to me.

We are seeing it. You are not seeing it because you are not looking at all the signs. He is playing MUCH better on the offensive end and he is asserting himself on defensive rebounding. I see those points hence I believe.

Jackie Butler is really tearing it up for San Antonio right now...

Posted by nyk4ever:

I still don't get how the first option is negative.

"Eddy's scoring is enough for me and I am not worried about his defense"

I told you why its negative, you clarified it and then told me you cannot edit a poll. Your post earlier in this thread where you clarified it yourself. thank you.

I voted option 3 so I don't get yelled at for being negative.

I think taking the wait and see approach is fine. I didn't understand it from guys like Nixluva because the players past had convinced me that they are what they are but now that we see drastic improvement from Curry I'm more comfortable about being patient about this thing. It still bothers the hell out of me that we are in cap hell for at least 3yrs with no exciting lottery talent to show for it but at least for the first time in ages we're developing a franchise player in Curry. And we have most of the tangible pieces it takes to win. I just can't tell you enough how Curry's emergence has me excited about the Knicks again! Hopefully we see some improvement defensively from Curry this year. Hopefully Jeffries will help Curry somewhat by keeping guys in front of him. Jeffries doesn't have to be a shutdown guy, if he can hold his man to under his average it will be a huge plus. Huge plus over the Franbury backcourt which is a turnstile that does nothing to help Curry.

Well obviously the points he scores arent worthless, but at the same time I wouldnt say that i dont at all care how much defense he plays either. the issue of his defense is somewhat of a concern right now, although now a huge one. However I (and probably isiah as well) expect him to get at least a little better in that department over time. anyway i dont think the poll has an answer for me.





[Edited by - slimpack on 12-05-2006 01:27 AM]

Damn, the same suspects..........SMH!!! If there is a UK Mafia, I want to start a UK WBC, Wett Blanket Committe. I nominate NYK4ever and joec32033 for Treasury!!!!!!

[Edited by - anji on 12-07-2006 10:38 AM]

iF Eddy can finally score & rebound consistently I don't see why he can't get better defensively. He will never be a good shotblocker unless he losses a ton of weight and improves his vertical leap but he can definitely improve each year defensively. Like I said before most 23yr olds have holes in their defense with the exception of immortal players like Duncan

I agree 100% I think dropping 20 lbs would do wonders for this guy.