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12/2/2006  2:53 PM
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I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

I think his retort is fitting to the logic used by you in this thread.
Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise?

hmmm, why do that, lets look at what has happened to the wolves franchise last year and this year so far.... Last year they missed the playoffs, and this year, they are struggling...... Yea, I see your point....

So are you saying that no matter what Curry and KG do that their teams overall are very bad? Should we use other players as comparisons such as Tim Duncan, Paul Gasol, Elton Brand, Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Jermaine O'neal, etc etc?

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 12:51 PM]

Not at all, I am just responding to you, since you told another poster that using garnett was basically a bad comparison, and implied that putting garnett in curry's place would make a difference to our franchise. And all I am asking you is how much of a difference has he made for the wolves recently... Now that is a simple questnion.. As far as bringing in Duncan and shaq, feel free, but no one is comparing curry to those great players, so feel free. I don't see what you will prove by doing so...

Why stop at KG though? Also how can you hate on KG when he does everything else? It's more than obvious that the players around him are crappy. Meanwhile you can't come to a complete assessment concerning Curry becuase he fails in all other aspects of the game. Was KG the player chosen because he's 20/10/5/2 and losing? There are a ton of other players getting those stats 20/10+/3-5/1-3 and winning.



[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 2:04 PM]
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12/2/2006  2:58 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If Curry is worried about his own stats above the team he will fight his own teammates for boards. If he isnt then he will continue to let them grab them. I wouldnt mind Curry grabbing them because maybe it would force his critics to go to a new stat to bash him. I mean the difference between Curry being a good rebounder and a bad rebounder in 30 minutes is 1.6 boards a game

I don't get why you think there are people here that want to bash Eddy Curry and are staying up late-nights watching gametape GRABBING at things to bash him on. Curry is a good offensive center but thats it. He's had questionable weight issues, a heart problem, doesnt play a lick of D, and his last team kicked him to the curb at the age of 22. Curry is far from flawless and you act like he's some franchise player that people on this forum are looking for things to bash him on just for the sake of it. The problems that people have with Eddy are legitimate.

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12/2/2006  3:10 PM
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Curry is giving us 6.4 boards a game. We are out rebounding most teams so it is not a problem. I see at least 1-2 rebounds a game Curry is in position for but he lets Qrich, Dlee or Francis grab them instead. He could fight for them but they are his teammates. The one time he did fight for it with Frye the ball goes out of bounds. Thats happened with frye and others as well. If Curry grabbed those 1-2 boards a game by being selfish he would be over 8 boards in 31 minutes.


Ok sure this has happened pretty much every game this yr. So do other players on the team do what Curry does? When Curry came in the game yesterday at 6:00min mark in the 4th qrt he had 3reb. He finished with 5reb. There have been plenty games like this where he gets some empty stats toward the end of games. The rebounding is being taken care of by committee on the team but it would be better if Curry lead the team and just maybe that would greatly contribute to solving the problem with the team playing from behind all the time.


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 1:45 PM]


If Curry is worried about his own stats above the team he will fight his own teammates for boards. If he isnt then he will continue to let them grab them. I wouldnt mind Curry grabbing them because maybe it would force his critics to go to a new stat to bash him. I mean the difference between Curry being a good rebounder and a bad rebounder in 30 minutes is 1.6 boards a game



What was the Eddy Curry of 03-04? You know he averaged 14.7pts/gm 6.2reb/gm yet the Bulls didn't appreciate it. Was that Eddy Curry allowing teammates to grab rebounds too? He's a starting center in the league yet ranked 50th in rebounding. Which means there are plenty of PG, G, SF, F, and C outrebounding him.
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12/2/2006  3:13 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=C

there aren't too many other guys who can score on the low block like Curry. It's taken Yao a while, but he's playing smart low post basketball. for all the talk about the new nba being perimeter oriented all the titles since Jordan have been won by Shaq or Duncan, with the exception of the Pistons, who had two guys who could guard Shaq.

99-Duncan
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structuring your offense inside/out is pretty smart. if we actually get a guard who is smart enough to consistently take advantage of Curry, we'll be in good shape.
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12/2/2006  3:16 PM
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I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

I think his retort is fitting to the logic used by you in this thread.
Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise?

hmmm, why do that, lets look at what has happened to the wolves franchise last year and this year so far.... Last year they missed the playoffs, and this year, they are struggling...... Yea, I see your point....

So are you saying that no matter what Curry and KG do that their teams overall are very bad? Should we use other players as comparisons such as Tim Duncan, Paul Gasol, Elton Brand, Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Jermaine O'neal, etc etc?

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 12:51 PM]

Not at all, I am just responding to you, since you told another poster that using garnett was basically a bad comparison, and implied that putting garnett in curry's place would make a difference to our franchise. And all I am asking you is how much of a difference has he made for the wolves recently... Now that is a simple questnion.. As far as bringing in Duncan and shaq, feel free, but no one is comparing curry to those great players, so feel free. I don't see what you will prove by doing so...

Why stop at KG though? Also how can you hate on KG when he does everything else? It's more than obvious that the players around him are crappy. Meanwhile you can't come to a complete assessment concerning Curry becuase he fails in all other aspects of the game. Was KG the player chosen because he's 20/10/5/2 and losing? There are a ton of other players getting those stats 20/10+/3-5/1-3 and winning.



[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 2:04 PM]


why not stop at KG? he was the name used I think. KG puts up good numbers and doesnt win, hasn't won, and last year his team didn't make the playoffs either... I think that is pretty much the point, but hey, don't stop there, add chris bosh, and Elton Brand to that list if you want to.. Now you are telling me that GArnett had crappy players? great, but I don't want to get into the excuse making, I am sure we can come up with plenty for every player, but I will say this, GArnett went far in the playoffs with sam casell, casell leaves, the wolves don't sniff playoffs. Then he goes to the clippers and they have success. Yea you got to have the right players, but we can say the same thing for curry also.... So again what is your point? I think sugarays point was pretty clear. You are adding and expanding this conversation to bash curry.. Just come out and say no matter what he does, score 100 points, grab 90 boards, you will still find fault... We can live with that........
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12/2/2006  3:19 PM
KG doesn't really have a low post game. He's never had a go-to offensive move and that's why he's never done well in the playoffs.
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12/2/2006  3:24 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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If Curry is worried about his own stats above the team he will fight his own teammates for boards. If he isnt then he will continue to let them grab them. I wouldnt mind Curry grabbing them because maybe it would force his critics to go to a new stat to bash him. I mean the difference between Curry being a good rebounder and a bad rebounder in 30 minutes is 1.6 boards a game

I don't get why you think there are people here that want to bash Eddy Curry and are staying up late-nights watching gametape GRABBING at things to bash him on. Curry is a good offensive center but thats it. He's had questionable weight issues, a heart problem, doesnt play a lick of D, and his last team kicked him to the curb at the age of 22. Curry is far from flawless and you act like he's some franchise player that people on this forum are looking for things to bash him on just for the sake of it. The problems that people have with Eddy are legitimate.

your post typifies everything sugar is talking about. senseless bashing and overexaggeration..

a heart problem

well I guess you examined curry, because a host of doctors didn't find the heart problem, but keep on, why don't you add that he had herpes, a brain tumor and asthma.....
doesnt play a lick of D

Outside of yao ming, how many players that guarded him has outplayed him. curry scored 20+ points the past 5 games, so i guess he isn't the only one not playing defense, right?
and his last team kicked him to the curb at the age of 22.

Is that why paxon tried to keep him, even agreed to pay him if he just took agreed to take a DNA test? yea they really kicked him to the curb.. You can't be serious with this post..
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12/2/2006  3:34 PM
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

I think his retort is fitting to the logic used by you in this thread.
Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise?

hmmm, why do that, lets look at what has happened to the wolves franchise last year and this year so far.... Last year they missed the playoffs, and this year, they are struggling...... Yea, I see your point....

So are you saying that no matter what Curry and KG do that their teams overall are very bad? Should we use other players as comparisons such as Tim Duncan, Paul Gasol, Elton Brand, Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Jermaine O'neal, etc etc?

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 12:51 PM]

Not at all, I am just responding to you, since you told another poster that using garnett was basically a bad comparison, and implied that putting garnett in curry's place would make a difference to our franchise. And all I am asking you is how much of a difference has he made for the wolves recently... Now that is a simple questnion.. As far as bringing in Duncan and shaq, feel free, but no one is comparing curry to those great players, so feel free. I don't see what you will prove by doing so...

Why stop at KG though? Also how can you hate on KG when he does everything else? It's more than obvious that the players around him are crappy. Meanwhile you can't come to a complete assessment concerning Curry becuase he fails in all other aspects of the game. Was KG the player chosen because he's 20/10/5/2 and losing? There are a ton of other players getting those stats 20/10+/3-5/1-3 and winning.



[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 2:04 PM]


why not stop at KG? he was the name used I think. KG puts up good numbers and doesnt win, hasn't won, and last year his team didn't make the playoffs either... I think that is pretty much the point, but hey, don't stop there, add chris bosh, and Elton Brand to that list if you want to.. Now you are telling me that GArnett had crappy players? great, but I don't want to get into the excuse making, I am sure we can come up with plenty for every player, but I will say this, GArnett went far in the playoffs with sam casell, casell leaves, the wolves don't sniff playoffs. Then he goes to the clippers and they have success. Yea you got to have the right players, but we can say the same thing for curry also.... So again what is your point? I think sugarays point was pretty clear. You are adding and expanding this conversation to bash curry.. Just come out and say no matter what he does, score 100 points, grab 90 boards, you will still find fault... We can live with that........


LOL yes Garnett got past the first round with Cassell but got to the playoffs every yr without him almost his whole career. He met Spurs first round all the time it seemed like and played in the West. His teams were perennial 45+ win teams, not hoping to make the playoffs with 39wins in the Freakin LEASTERN conference. If Chicago would have been patient and stuck with Brand(Miller, Artest, Hassell) instead of going with Curry and Toothpick delaying their rebuild process, he more than likely would have had success there. For the Garnett comparison I could use the Bulls as a team comparison and say how did they make the playoff when they lost their inside scoring presence in Curry? SugarRay mentioned Garnett which if you look at it objectively is almost an exception to the rule that a frontcourt player getting 20/10 ends up with disaster. Not to mention as I stated earlier Garnett had consecutive yrs of relative success before the failure came.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 2:36 PM]
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12/2/2006  3:51 PM
Who cares about KG? He's not on this team and his career seems like it's headed towards ending without a ring. You need more than just a 20/10 player. Curry is showing some positive signs, but he still has a lot of work to do. He wasn't born with a natural desire like ZO or D. Howard to go after rebounds and block shots. So he'll likely never fully match that intensity. He can still be very effective for us and help us to win. The way this team is built Curry doesn't have to dominate the boards. I'd like for him to go after it a bit harder, but right now he's making strides and i'm happy with that.
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12/2/2006  3:58 PM
Posted by tkf:

your post typifies everything sugar is talking about. senseless bashing and overexaggeration..

well I guess you examined curry, because a host of doctors didn't find the heart problem, but keep on, why don't you add that he had herpes, a brain tumor and asthma.....
Why do you think the Bulls wanted him to take a DNA test? Just for the hell of it? Why did Eddy Curry miss the end of the 2004 season and the entire playoffs? Just for the hell of it? Yeah an irregular heartbeat when your mother died of a heart-attack is just something that we shift to the side and not worry about. This heart problem was enough for the Bulls to require a DNA test, that is unheard of in professional sports.
Outside of yao ming, how many players that guarded him has outplayed him. curry scored 20+ points the past 5 games, so i guess he isn't the only one not playing defense, right?
This is a horrible argument. We all know that Curry is a good offensive player and other centers that have guarded Eddy have had trouble stopping him but THEY play help defense, rebound and block shots.

So using your argument lets take a look at the other centers rebounding and defense during Eddys 5 game streak.

12/1 Pistons- Mohammed 8pts, 2rebs 0blocks 0 TO
McDyess 7pts, 9 rebs 0 blocks 1 TO COMBINED 12FGA
Curry 21pts, 5 rebs 0 blocks, 3 TO 15FGA

11/29 Cavaliers- Ilgauskas 12pts, 12rebs 3blocks 1steal 1TO 9FGA
Curry 20pts, 5 rebs 0 blocks, 1steal, 3 TO 12 FGA

11/28 Bulls- Wallace 8pts, 12reb 2blocks 2steals 3TO 6FGA
Curry 24pts, 8 rebs 0 blocks, 4 TO 15 FGA

11/25 Bulls- Wallace 5pts, 6reb 1block, 1 TO 3FGA
Curry 24pts, 6reb 1 block, 4 TO 16FA

11/24 Celtics- No Celtic had a good game against Curry
Curry 24pts, 10rebs, 0 blocks, 3 TO

These guys help their teams by playing defense as evident by the blocks and rebounds that I showed. Curry doesn't come close, he played Ben Wallace well one game, that was nice. Wallace, Ilgauskus and the Celtics centers aren't bigtime offensive players and play good team-oriented help defense as well as rebound and block shots. Curry scores points but gives them right back up on the defensive end. Turnovers is also a important stat because it shows how tough you are playing your man, if your making him work or not. Curry had more turnovers in every single game. So really Curry only showed true dominance against the Celtics.
Is that why paxon tried to keep him, even agreed to pay him if he just took agreed to take a DNA test? yea they really kicked him to the curb.. You can't be serious with this post..

The Bulls had every chance in the world to resign Eddy and if they really wanted him they would have kept him even though he didn't take a DNA Test. At the age of 22, how many teams do you see giving up on 6'11 centers in this league? At 22 years old, the Bulls let Curry walk, in return for draft picks and garbage contracts. The Bulls CLEARLY did not want Curry back.

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12/1 Pistons- Mohammed 8pts, 2rebs 0blocks 0 TO
McDyess 7pts, 9 rebs 0 blocks 1 TO COMBINED 12FGA
Curry 21pts, 5 rebs 0 blocks, 3 TO 15FGA

11/29 Cavaliers- Ilgauskas 12pts, 12rebs 3blocks 1steal 1TO 9FGA
Curry 20pts, 5 rebs 0 blocks, 1steal, 3 TO 12 FGA

11/28 Bulls- Wallace 8pts, 12reb 2blocks 2steals 3TO 6FGA
Curry 24pts, 8 rebs 0 blocks, 4 TO 15 FGA

11/25 Bulls- Wallace 5pts, 6reb 1block, 1 TO 3FGA
Curry 24pts, 6reb 1 block, 4 TO 16FA

11/24 Celtics- No Celtic had a good game against Curry
Curry 24pts, 10rebs, 0 blocks, 3 TO

Dude you cant be serious, youre comparing Curry's production with two players on the Pistons combined. Why not add Cato's stats to Curry's?
Besides that only Z and Wallace (in one game) compared to Curry, and you can argue either way who was better...these are two guys that many say are top tier centers in the league...so youre point is that Curry's play is comparable to two "top tier" centers and the other games he completely outplayed the competition?

I dog Curry with the rest of them man, but give props where props are due...hes been solid
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Dude you cant be serious, youre comparing Curry's production with two players on the Pistons combined. Why not add Cato's stats to Curry's?
The argument isn't what Cato against these guys, the argument is what Curry did against them. Curry played 31mins, Nazr Mohammed played 17 minutes and McDyess played 29. If you want to take Mohammed out of the equation be my guest, McDyess rebounding numbers were still more than Curry in less minutes.

Besides that only Z and Wallace (in one game) compared to Curry, and you can argue either way who was better...these are two guys that many say are top tier centers in the league...so youre point is that Curry's play is comparable to two "top tier" centers and the other games he completely outplayed the competition?

I don't think Currys play is at all comparable to Big Z's. Look at Big Z's game, he filled up the boxscore with more rebounds, more blocked blocked shots and 2 less turnovers in less playing time than Curry. All this means that Big Z has a bigger effect on the game because he actually plays the other half of the court, known as defense. Curry doesn't come close to playing that side of the court.
I dog Curry with the rest of them man, but give props where props are due...hes been solid

I've given Curry plenty of credit about his lest few games but the fact of the matter is that he's only scoring points and people are going nuts. He's still not rebounding, he's still not playing defense and as many points as he scores, he's giving up defensively. I don't believe thats a cause for celebration.

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20 pts coming out of the low post is more valuable than 20 pts coming out of a PG imo... establishing a low post scoring threat opens up the entire offense for penetration & shooting from the perimeter... chances are you're getting most of those 20 pts. off high percentage shots as well as getting to the FT line, which gets the defenders into foul trouble & less aggressive when it comes to trying to stop the penetrators getting into the lane... of course, that can work both ways if you have a penetrating G drawing fouls too, which will loosen up the defense on the low post players, but i always think establishing the low post scoring is the more efficient way to get your offense going.
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Curry is giving us 6.4 boards a game. We are out rebounding most teams so it is not a problem. I see at least 1-2 rebounds a game Curry is in position for but he lets Qrich, Dlee or Francis grab them instead. He could fight for them but they are his teammates. The one time he did fight for it with Frye the ball goes out of bounds. Thats happened with frye and others as well. If Curry grabbed those 1-2 boards a game by being selfish he would be over 8 boards in 31 minutes.
LOL, Thankyou.............I would pay to read your post sir.
I've been saying that forever. Most starting centers only average 7 to 8 rebounds a game, I believe curry doesnt fight for rebounds over his teammates or chase them dowm when they go out of his rebound space/are going to the floor. I think he can learn to go after the latter and squeeze out 1.5 to .5 rebounds extra per games........


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Posted by TMS:

20 pts coming out of the low post is more valuable than 20 pts coming out of a PG imo... establishing a low post scoring threat opens up the entire offense for penetration & shooting from the perimeter... chances are you're getting most of those 20 pts. off high percentage shots as well as getting to the FT line, which gets the defenders into foul trouble & less aggressive when it comes to trying to stop the penetrators getting into the lane... of course, that can work both ways if you have a penetrating G drawing fouls too, which will loosen up the defense on the low post players, but i always think establishing the low post scoring is the more efficient way to get your offense going.


If you read the very first post in this thread I said Curry has the edge due to the position he plays. Nevertheless there is no need to go hog wild over his offensive production because what he doesn't do chews into it or negates the majority of it. I still feel allowing a player to do only what he wants to do or not driving him to improve on the areas he's bad at is not a good thing.
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I'm glad Eddy took what I said to heart. What an outstanding game from him tonight and it's starting to look like he might be able to do what he's doing consistently. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I want nothing more than for Eddy Curry to shut me up and be the exact opposite of what I think he is. If he finally realizes he can be a dominant force then he might just keep this up. I hope he does because it'll be absolutely HUGE for this franchise.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm glad Eddy took what I said to heart. What an outstanding game from him tonight and it's starting to look like he might be able to do what he's doing consistently. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I want nothing more than for Eddy Curry to shut me up and be the exact opposite of what I think he is. If he finally realizes he can be a dominant force then he might just keep this up. I hope he does because it'll be absolutely HUGE for this franchise.


I concur I liked the Eddy I saw tonight. Anything different is unacceptable in my eyes.
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