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djsunyc
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11/27/2006  10:28 AM
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Shit the bastard, don't play him, make his life miserable make an example of him, and tell him listen, we are not going to send you home you are going to every shoot around, practice, team event or we are going to fine you.

You don't like it? OPT out of your deal and play somewhere else

if marbury is unhappy, his presence in the lockerroom can have a pretty bad effect on the team. so i don't know if isiah wants to go down that road.

and i don't think isiah should be able to buy the guy out. he's forced marbury on all his coaches and sided with him on numerous accounts. players were traded away b/c of him as well. so why should isiah be able to get rid of the guy when 2 HOF coaches before weren't allowed that luxury?

i'm not sure of isiah's standing with dolan right now. obviously, dolan is somewhat upset as jalen and mo were bought out. but he did let him sign jeffries for $30 mil. whatever the case, if there's going to be a problem here, then the team is better off with steph sitting at home. but if he doesn't agree with it, he can cause a gripe with player's association.

i think isiah starts him on tuesday and tries to assuage the situation. if he doesn't start him tuesday, then the situation can railroad pretty darn quickly and i don't know if isiah can afford that type of negative pub.
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11/27/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if marbury is unhappy, his presence in the lockerroom can have a pretty bad effect on the team. so i don't know if isiah wants to go down that road.

and i don't think isiah should be able to buy the guy out. he's forced marbury on all his coaches and sided with him on numerous accounts. players were traded away b/c of him as well. so why should isiah be able to get rid of the guy when 2 HOF coaches before weren't allowed that luxury?

i'm not sure of isiah's standing with dolan right now. obviously, dolan is somewhat upset as jalen and mo were bought out. but he did let him sign jeffries for $30 mil. whatever the case, if there's going to be a problem here, then the team is better off with steph sitting at home. but if he doesn't agree with it, he can cause a gripe with player's association.

i think isiah starts him on tuesday and tries to assuage the situation. if he doesn't start him tuesday, then the situation can railroad pretty darn quickly and i don't know if isiah can afford that type of negative pub.

The NBA's collective bargaining agreement is terrible. It handcuffs teams to their mistakes and gives the players way too much leverage. Teams should have some way of getting out from under these long-term mistakes. They have to get rid of the trade restrictions or come up with some way to accelerate the luxury tax on buyouts so that contracts, once bought out, immediately fall of the cap. Otherwise, we're stuck in situations like this, where a buyout is best for both parties, but the only side that stands to gain is the player. The Knicks are gonna have to pay and still have him on his cap regardless.
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11/27/2006  10:50 AM
Posted by eViL:

The NBA's collective bargaining agreement is terrible. It handcuffs teams to their mistakes and gives the players way too much leverage. Teams should have some way of getting out from under these long-term mistakes. They have to get rid of the trade restrictions or come up with some way to accelerate the luxury tax on buyouts so that contracts, once bought out, immediately fall of the cap. Otherwise, we're stuck in situations like this, where a buyout is best for both parties, but the only side that stands to gain is the player. The Knicks are gonna have to pay and still have him on his cap regardless.

For example -- if the Knicks wanted to buy out Marbury, they should be able to pay him his $42M and then some other percent of that, say 75%, to the league as a luxury tax, and that should be the end of it -- he's free to go and he's off our cap. Of course, I don't even know why I'm suggesting this -- it's not like this would ever even stand a chance of happening.
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11/27/2006  11:30 AM
that provision is in place to protect against all the big market teams from snatching up every free agent that becomes available & driving up the prices on players' contracts... not that it's really worked, since we have overpaid veterans everywhere you look in the NBA... i agree there needs to be some sort of provision put in place to protect the franchises from players' becoming injured after just signing longterm contracts.

IMO, they should allow an amnesty buyout for 1 player every year for each team, where the player's contracts are paid for by insurance if the reason for their buyout is a serious injury that's caused them to miss a certain % of games in the previous season, but not only limited to injuries... for example, if for reasons of insubordnation or other disruptive behavior that is negatively effecting team play, the teams should be allowed to buyout the player's contract & have them come off the cap... that way, the players' rights are protected because they still get the money they signed for, while the teams get some protection by not having to deal w/a negative presence on the team because of the contracts they are signed to.
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11/27/2006  11:38 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by MS:

Shit the bastard, don't play him, make his life miserable make an example of him, and tell him listen, we are not going to send you home you are going to every shoot around, practice, team event or we are going to fine you.

You don't like it? OPT out of your deal and play somewhere else

if marbury is unhappy, his presence in the lockerroom can have a pretty bad effect on the team. so i don't know if isiah wants to go down that road.

and i don't think isiah should be able to buy the guy out. he's forced marbury on all his coaches and sided with him on numerous accounts. players were traded away b/c of him as well. so why should isiah be able to get rid of the guy when 2 HOF coaches before weren't allowed that luxury?

i'm not sure of isiah's standing with dolan right now. obviously, dolan is somewhat upset as jalen and mo were bought out. but he did let him sign jeffries for $30 mil. whatever the case, if there's going to be a problem here, then the team is better off with steph sitting at home. but if he doesn't agree with it, he can cause a gripe with player's association.

i think isiah starts him on tuesday and tries to assuage the situation. if he doesn't start him tuesday, then the situation can railroad pretty darn quickly and i don't know if isiah can afford that type of negative pub.

I agree that Isiah will start him, but that won't dispose of the issue. Marbury is likely going to be unhappy no matter what happens. He has a grossly distorted view of his ability (e.g., his declaration that he is the best PG in the NBA) and he apparently feels persecuted when he isn't getting his way.

I omitted the last paragraph in Isola's article which speculates that given Dolan's antipathy toward anyone who goes to the media to air their dirty laundry, the surest way for Marbury to be exiled would be for him to do just that.

We can only hope...
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11/27/2006  11:40 AM
Isiah will bench Stephon permanently until he learns to play in the team concept with some fire and determination. The same determination Isiah had as a player at Indiana and in Detroit.

he won't back down because of Marbury's apparent pouting or sulking


that's cool with me

you sulk

you sit

[Edited by - misterearl on 11-27-2006 11:42 AM]
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11/27/2006  11:49 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Isiah will bench Stephon permanently until he learns to play in the team concept with some fire and determination. The same determination Isiah had as a player at Indiana and in Detroit.

he won't back down because of Marbury's apparent pouting or sulking


that's cool with me

you sulk

you sit

[Edited by - misterearl on 11-27-2006 11:42 AM]

what if it leads to 23 wins?
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11/27/2006  6:36 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

Isiah will bench Stephon permanently until he learns to play in the team concept with some fire and determination. The same determination Isiah had as a player at Indiana and in Detroit.

he won't back down because of Marbury's apparent pouting or sulking


that's cool with me

you sulk

you sit

[Edited by - misterearl on 11-27-2006 11:42 AM]

what if it leads to 23 wins?

Wanna getaway ???

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11/27/2006  7:11 PM
You know what's funny? Isiah is starting to sound like Larry Brown Jr.
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11/28/2006  12:26 PM
joeC - know what's even funnier?


Isiah is starting to sound like Red Holzman


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11/28/2006  12:58 PM
What? I thought Marbs was to Isiah what Stevie was to Cuttino. what a shame... so sad. I guess, Isiah wanted an open relationship but Steph refused to hit the open man.
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11/28/2006  1:07 PM
Codeunknown - Marbury is supposed to be to Curry what Chollie Ward was to Ewing



Only better

How tough can that be?
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11/28/2006  1:11 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Codeunknown - Marbury is supposed to be to Curry what Chollie Ward was to Ewing



Only better

How tough can that be?

Apparently very. Tough enough to towel a man.
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11/29/2006  9:30 AM
you know, i hope Steph does get traded or picked up by a championship contender. I would love for him to go elsewhere and finally experience winning a championship or going deep in playoffs. Yes, I may not agree with some of his statements, but if you dont believe in yourself, no one else will. The difference between good and average players, is having supreme confidence.
right now, Steph is just a little shook by all the adjustments he has to make. Once he calms down, the Knicks will be fine and they will make the playoffs.
Isiah was a scoring guard. I dont know why he doesn't apply his playing style to Steph. Isiah was never forced to be a pass 1st, 2nd & 3rd option point guard. Steph has always been a scorer & a decent assist man his whole career. Is AI being forced to be a role player? Hell no, he has too much talent to waste being a role player. Why are you going to force Marbury to take a step back to unproven young players. I would rather Steph take 20 shots a game than crawford or anyone else. He would at least shoot a better percentage. Why the hell do u want crawford/curry/nate to be your primary options on offense?? Trade Steph to golden state.... he would thrive under Nellie's system. Screw NY. NY loves to hate.
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11/29/2006  9:46 AM
Posted by djsunyc:


i'm not sure of isiah's standing with dolan right now. obviously, dolan is somewhat upset as jalen and mo were bought out. but he did let him sign jeffries for $30 mil.

my guess is that signing Jeffries has been a priority since at least last year. I'm sure Brown would've loved him as well. That check was probably signed last fall.
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11/29/2006  10:04 AM
Posted by nattydreadz:
Isiah was a scoring guard. I dont know why he doesn't apply his playing style to Steph. Isiah was never forced to be a pass 1st, 2nd & 3rd option point guard.


Guys like oscar, Isiah, Clyde, magic, etc, could all score, could take games, over, and could even lead their teams to finals as the teams highest scorers. the difference is they also knew how to run an offense, when to picks their spots, how to push and pull a team where it needed to go, how to keep everyone involved and motivated, how to give hope rather than despair.

i think this whole 'misused scoring guard' misses the larger picture, which is he's not a great playmaker, his motivation is suspect, he doesn't know how to energize a team when that's what's needed or to calm it with poise when that is, he's not much of a shooter, even his penetration/finish skills have weakened, and he's generally more off putting than uplifting as a general presence.

i'd be more than happy for him if he'd go to a contender to ride the backs of others and have the success of those he's condescended towards in the past, like Charlie Ward or Avery johnson, but it's not happening here. here he's but an aging distraction.
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11/29/2006  11:20 AM
Whether you are a scorer or not a scorer at the PG position is irrelevant. Isiah and Magic scored 20 ppg from the PG position. Chicago's PG's scored around 10. What's important is that the PG needs to be able to run the offense. End of story. No other mystery's. Why are we over thinking this. We haven't gotten a good shot down the stretch of a basketball game since 2002. We lose every game when it gets tight down the stretch. Why? Because we don't have anyone to run the offense. We don't have a PG that can make sure we get a great shot whether it is him shooting it or someone else. Marbury is just as clueless as Eddie curry when it comes to figuring out who needs the ball at crucial moments and where. This is why it always boils down to one on one play. They have great skills but have never learned to play basketball. And when they get someone that can teach them, they rebel because the person is tough on them.
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11/29/2006  12:19 PM
The problem isn't Marburys running of the offense - it's the lousy players he's forced to play with, and the lousy coaches he has to play for, who don't understand how to use his skills.
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11/29/2006  12:27 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

The problem isn't Marburys running of the offense - it's the lousy players he's forced to play with, and the lousy coaches he has to play for, who don't understand how to use his skills.

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11/29/2006  12:35 PM
Marbury has been pretty good this year. He was bad for a couple of games. But, I heard LB was in attendance.
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