Posted by TMS:

Posted by Allanfan20:

TMS, there are a few cases when the Knick fans in particular were horrible, like booing Ewing, and booing Houston at the charity game and the open practice.

booing Allan Houston at a charity game was classless & completely unnecessary, i give u that... but i can't say Ewing or Allan didn't deserve to get booed at times during their careers at the Garden... sometimes their games just weren't clicking & the fans let them know about it

But there are games when Duncan and Parker aren't clicking. There are games when KG's off. Shaq. The list goes on and on. But fans don't boo those players like they booed Ewing, Houston, and Jeter (during that season when he had a poor start).

if they played in NY & they played like crap, they'd get booed & rightfully so... if they can't handle that, they need to stay in San Antonio or whereever else they prefer to play... the fans aren't going to change... the players coming here have to adapt to the fans, not the other way around... we're the ones paying their freight afterall.

i didn't hear Jeter or Messier complaining when they were being worshipped down the Canyon of Heroes by millions of adoring fans... i didn't hear Ewing, Starks or Houston complaining when the Garden was rocking during the playoffs either.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-27-2006 12:33 PM]

Bonn, if Kobe or LeBron or Wade or Shaq were on the Knicks, played poorly and lost, and the fans booed, what do you think they would say? "Ohh, they were too harsh." They wouldn't dare! You'd probably hear something along the lines of "We deserved to be booed and we promise the fans wont be seeing that horrible performance again." and then they'd back those words up.

I'm watching the Ranger replay from yesterday, against the Sabres and in the second period, there was a power play, 3 on 5, advantage Sabres, and the Rangers did not score, yet they deflected pucks, and Lunquist (Sp?) had a series of saves. The crowd seemed to have gone crazy and showed the team nothing but love. Then it went back to 5 on 5, the crowd was so proud of the Rangers for showing so much heart those moments and they continued to go crazy for each deflection the Rangers made.

Point is, all a NY player has to do is play with some heart and pride and the fans will show all the love they can give.

there are moments in every single Knick game, even during blowout losses, where the Garden fans cheer for a player who continues to show some fight & hustles on the floor, makes a defensive play, or dives into the stands to save a loose ball... that's what NY fans love to see & what they admire... they can't stand to see players go out on the floor & not show a full effort, or make boneheaded mistakes after another, or consistently fail to get back on defense, or continue to jack up bad shot after bad shot when their shots aren't falling... this type of thing deserves to get booed, i don't care what player or what city we're talking about here.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-27-2006 12:51 PM]

it's assinine to call the NY fans the worst in sports

I meant it in the context of how we treat players (particularly hard working players when they're struggling).

SugarRay, you're lumping all NY fans & saying they're the worst in sports because of a select few dimwits who get drunk at the games & act like idiots... that doesn't have anything to do w/the issue of players being booed when they play like crap.

like the example of Allan Houston being booed at the charity event, i believe that was representative of a very small sample of the overall fanbase here in NY... that's a different discussion than the one we're having now about this team being booed when they play like garbage.

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by TMS:

SugarRay, you're lumping all NY fans & saying they're the worst in sports because of a select few dimwits who get drunk at the games & act like idiots... that doesn't have anything to do w/the issue of players being booed when they play like crap.

like the example of Allan Houston being booed at the charity event, i believe that was representative of a very small sample of the overall fanbase here in NY... that's a different discussion than the one we're having now about this team being booed when they play like garbage.

I clearly said SOME not ALL and I never said they were the worst in sports

didn't you post this earlier today?:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=18449&page=1

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quote:Originally posted by BlueSeats:

right or wrong, i'd bet a testicle that if dolan sent isiah and marbury packing today the boos would cease tomorrow.

fans want to watch basketball, not the circus.

It would help but NY fans booed Clyde Frazier. The culture, atnmosphere and media is 100% different than some other cities. I saw the Spurs win like 20 games a year and their fans treated them like kings.
The worst fans in sports:
Philly fans
NY fans
Raider fans

i coulda sworn it was you.


i'm not trying to get into any heated discussions w/u over this cuz in general i respect most of your viewpoints & you make good arguments backing up everything you say... but this time i think you're way off basis & categorizing the small minority of idiots that boo just for the sake of acting like idiots at ballgames, & those that boo when they see the team they love playing like crap or not giving a full effort on the playing field.

& i don't think just because you played college sports you're qualified to tell people who've paid their ticket fees to be at a game & pour their hearts & souls into supporting the team they love by following their franchises, buying up their memorabilia & in effect paying the salaries of all these athletes essentially, what they should or shouldn't do at a game, as long as they don't cross the line by throwing obscenities or objects at any players that would get their butts whooped if they tried pulling that on the street... booing has & always will be a part of sports, & if a professional athlete can't deal with hearing it when they're not playing well, they really have no business playing professional sports imo.

Posted by TMS:

SugarRay, you're lumping all NY fans & saying they're the worst in sports because of a select few dimwits who get drunk at the games & act like idiots... that doesn't have anything to do w/the issue of players being booed when they play like crap.

like the example of Allan Houston being booed at the charity event, i believe that was representative of a very small sample of the overall fanbase here in NY... that's a different discussion than the one we're having now about this team being booed when they play like garbage.

Just like in Philly, a few fans start drinking and thinking about how obnoxious they can be. Maybe that's why they had to build a jail right underneath the new football stadium for unruly fans.

Santa Claus was too skinny oone yr and they booed him too.

Pressure of the big city gets to some and they need to unwind in the most unusual ways.

Posted by simrud:

Poti got booed because he sucked, never lived up to expectations, and was traded for a crowd varovite, York.

A big defenseman who refused to take the body and makes glaring mistakes on regular basis, AND does not leave up to the offensive defenseman promise, and he was supposed to be almost the next Leech, is a big target for ridicule.

They guy was just in a bad situation here with the Rangers. I personally never booed him, and I did not think booign him was a good idea, because he did play about as good as he could.

But never the less, I understand why he got booed.

As for Ozo, he is just bad. He was a horrible pickup, he was supposed to be the power play QB, and he has failed at that miseraly, and he continues to give up gaols by passing right through the middle. He just cost us a goal against Buffalo in just that way. Once again I would not boo him, because I feel bad for him alcohol addiction, but I can see why ohers would.

Givaways happen in hockey. Players are not robots. There are tuns of giveaways in hockey. Its the nature of the game. Ozo gets booed when he plays well even. Its just the fans mentality. They make up their minds and thats that. It doesnt matter how the guy plays. Poti got booed even when he played well also. JD got booed and couldnt stand thet NY fans. This was less than 9 months after carrying the team to the 1978-1979 cup finals.

SugarRayRichardson

WE GET IT NEW YORK FANS ARE MEAN AND CAUSE THEIR PROFESSIONAL TEAMS TO PLAY POORLY YES WE GET IT now will you get off the soapbox and talk about something thats actually relevant.