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What was Isiah thinking with 2 minutes to go in a game down by only 6 points?
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11/19/2006  11:34 PM
Posted by oohah:
So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

It was 2 min left, and the Knicks just had a call go against them, then IT got the tech.
So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

I see you have totally reversed your opinion on what this team is and can do, or is it only for the sake of argument?

oohah

What are you talking about?

I'm just trying to make sense out of your nonsensical statement.

My opinion is that no game is over when a team is down 6 with over 2 minutes to play and with the ball.

Please tell me where I've deviated from that.
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11/19/2006  11:35 PM
Posted by oohah:
I didn't see that post but the moral of this point... a game is never over until it's over. Didn't the Grizzlies almost beat this team in what appeared to be an insurmountable defecit?

Seatsblue, that is why I said the Techs were dumb, because obviously there was a theoretical chance of a comeback.

But the way the KNicks were not exectuting and the Celtics were + hitting their free throws, the game was over.

To say different is really just playing Devils advocate.

By the way, I think it ain't over until it is over is really more applicable in baseball. In basketball, it is often over before it is over, like when we blew out Miami, or that SJU game the other day.

oohah

You're comparing 2 blowouts to a 2 possession game? Unreal.
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11/19/2006  11:36 PM
ooh, I know you're getting piled on here, but you really are taking an untenable position. We're talking about a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go. ANY NBA team is capable of pulling that out.

And we're talking about going against the '06 Celtics here, not the '89 Pistons.
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11/19/2006  11:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:

They had just cut the deficit from 20 to 1 and were withing 6 with the ball.

Not sure what game you were watching.

So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

Wow.

They cut the deficit from 20 to go up by 1 then they were down around 8-11. They shot their load with the comeback. That was the game I was watching. Did you observe something different?

I think you are playing devil's advocte to the max. They were going to lose. Obviously.

oohah
[Edited by - oohah on 19-11-2006 11:25 PM]

Down around 8-11?? They were down 6 with the ball.

No need to play devil's advocate. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to say that the game was already over when Isiah was called for the 2 technicals.

I can't believe that I'm even arguing this.

I can't believe you are arguing it either, it was all Celtics after the Knicks got the lead.

Now all of a sudden you're a big believer in the Knicks, and they have the mettle to win that game the way they played the last few minutes.

Hey, I like to argue too, but come on!

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11/19/2006  11:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
I didn't see that post but the moral of this point... a game is never over until it's over. Didn't the Grizzlies almost beat this team in what appeared to be an insurmountable defecit?

Seatsblue, that is why I said the Techs were dumb, because obviously there was a theoretical chance of a comeback.

But the way the KNicks were not exectuting and the Celtics were + hitting their free throws, the game was over.

To say different is really just playing Devils advocate.

By the way, I think it ain't over until it is over is really more applicable in baseball. In basketball, it is often over before it is over, like when we blew out Miami, or that SJU game the other day.

oohah

You're comparing 2 blowouts to a 2 possession game? Unreal.



This guy just went bipolar on us all. Oh my this is ludacris LOL!
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11/19/2006  11:44 PM
What are you talking about?

I'm just trying to make sense out of your nonsensical statement.

My opinion is that no game is over when a team is down 6 with over 2 minutes to play and with the ball.

Please tell me where I've deviated from that.

I guerss its a lot easier to win an argument when you put words in my mouth. THAT GAME WAS OVER. Not some other game. The game that was played on Saturday.
ooh, I know you're getting piled on here, but you really are taking an untenable position. We're talking about a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go. ANY NBA team is capable of pulling that out.

And we're talking about going against the '06 Celtics here, not the '89 Pistons.

The nonsensical position is that there was any likelihood of the Knicks coming back again.

Yeah, it is possible, but it wasn't happening. Again, you guys are talking theory and I am talking about the actual game. They were done. Nobody was stopping Pierce and the Celtics were hitting their free-throws. The Knicks were not exectuing or making their shots.

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The game was over. But I guess we have more mud to throw at Isiah.
I agree but giving away 2 points there sure didn't help.

Hmmmm.


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11/19/2006  11:44 PM
Oohah I just Checkmated you with this link. Next time don't bring a knife to a gun fight DOPE!

Take a look at the Play-by-Play of this qrt and noticed the score at the beginning of the 4rth. Anyone who recalls this game can easily remember how pathetic the team was playing and how the Knicks were getting lit up all game from the perimeter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=261106018&period=4

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-19-2006 10:45 PM]
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11/19/2006  11:45 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
I didn't see that post but the moral of this point... a game is never over until it's over. Didn't the Grizzlies almost beat this team in what appeared to be an insurmountable defecit?

Seatsblue, that is why I said the Techs were dumb, because obviously there was a theoretical chance of a comeback.

But the way the KNicks were not exectuting and the Celtics were + hitting their free throws, the game was over.

To say different is really just playing Devils advocate.

By the way, I think it ain't over until it is over is really more applicable in baseball. In basketball, it is often over before it is over, like when we blew out Miami, or that SJU game the other day.

oohah

You're comparing 2 blowouts to a 2 possession game? Unreal.



This guy just went bipolar on us all. Oh my this is ludacris LOL!

Bipolar. What are you talking about? Do you know? Illustrate if you can. But you won't Collect your thoughts and get back to me seatblue.


oohah

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11/19/2006  11:45 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:

They had just cut the deficit from 20 to 1 and were withing 6 with the ball.

Not sure what game you were watching.

So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

Wow.

They cut the deficit from 20 to go up by 1 then they were down around 8-11. They shot their load with the comeback. That was the game I was watching. Did you observe something different?

I think you are playing devil's advocte to the max. They were going to lose. Obviously.

oohah
[Edited by - oohah on 19-11-2006 11:25 PM]

Down around 8-11?? They were down 6 with the ball.

No need to play devil's advocate. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to say that the game was already over when Isiah was called for the 2 technicals.

I can't believe that I'm even arguing this.

I can't believe you are arguing it either, it was all Celtics after the Knicks got the lead.

Now all of a sudden you're a big believer in the Knicks, and they have the mettle to win that game the way they played the last few minutes.

Hey, I like to argue too, but come on!

oohah

It has nothing to do with this Knicks team. ANY NBA team can come back from 6 down with more than 2 minutes to play and the ball.

The way they played?? They scored on roughly 12 of 20 possessions up to that point of the 4th quarter. Again, what game were you watching?
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11/19/2006  11:47 PM
I actually see where oohah is coming from. I wouldn't go as far as in saying the game was over but I also didn't see the Knicks winning this game because of the energy expanded on coming back and no player was stepping to the forefront except for Jamal who couldn't hit the Ocean from Jones Beach.
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11/19/2006  11:48 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oohah I just Checkmated you with this link. Next time don't bring a knife to a gun fight DOPE!

Take a look at the Play-by-Play of this qrt and noticed the score at the beginning of the 4rth. Anyone who recalls this game can easily remember how pathetic the team was playing and how the Knicks were getting lit up all game from the perimeter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=261106018&period=4

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-19-2006 10:45 PM]

You ddi not checkmate anyone numbskull. Now don't start the name calling because you arew out of your league.

Furthermore, you are full of sh!t Every post you make is about how bad the team is, how they can't stop anybody etc. Now they are coming back against the Celtics down 6 with 2 left while they are playing terribly.

You just want to get on Isiah. You are one dimensional and shallow.

oohah

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11/19/2006  11:50 PM
THAT GAME WAS OVER

No, that game still had over 2 minutes to play.
The Knicks were not exectuing or making their shots.

That's just not true. I think scoring on over 50% of their possessions up to that point in the 4th quarter means that they were executing and making their shots.
Hmmmm

That's a long way from saying definitively that the game was over.

[Edited by - islesfan on 11-19-2006 11:54 PM]
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11/19/2006  11:51 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oohah I just Checkmated you with this link. Next time don't bring a knife to a gun fight DOPE!

Take a look at the Play-by-Play of this qrt and noticed the score at the beginning of the 4rth. Anyone who recalls this game can easily remember how pathetic the team was playing and how the Knicks were getting lit up all game from the perimeter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=261106018&period=4

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-19-2006 10:45 PM]

You ddi not checkmate anyone numbskull. Now don't start the name calling because you arew out of your league.

Furthermore, you are full of sh!t Every post you make is about how bad the team is, how they can't stop anybody etc. Now they are coming back against the Celtics down 6 with 2 left while they are playing terribly.

You just want to get on Isiah. You are one dimensional and shallow.

oohah


I'm just trying to show you leads evaporate in the blink of an eye even though a team shows poor play for the majority of the game.

You're even worse because you have a quitter mentality.

Zeke and this team is severly flawed and nothing you will say or debate over will change that FACT!
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It has nothing to do with this Knicks team. ANY NBA team can come back from 6 down with more than 2 minutes to play and the ball.

The way they played?? They scored on roughly 12 of 20 possessions up to that point of the 4th quarter. Again, what game were you watching?

Hey if we go back to the Miami game I bet the scored on 65 out of 100 possessions!

The Knicks came back, they used up all they had and the Celtics had taken control. That is why the Celtics were down 1 point with 4 minutes to go and they were up 6 2 minutes later. Celtics outscore the Knicks by 7 points in 2 minutes. That's the game I was watching.

But go ahead and blame the loss on the techs if it fits your anti-Isiah bias.

oohah

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I'm just trying to show you leads evaporate in the blink of an eye even though a team shows poor play for the majority of the game.

How about with this team on Saturday? That is what we are talking about, not some theory you are putting forth for the reason of coming after someone you don't like.
You're even worse because you have a quitter mentality.

Right becuase I proclaimed this season over before it began! Oh wait, that was you, the quitter.
Zeke and this team is severly flawed and nothing you will say or debate over will change that FACT!

But they were coming back against the Celtics on Saturday, right? Now who is bipolar?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-11-2006 11:57 PM]
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11/19/2006  11:56 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I actually see where oohah is coming from. I wouldn't go as far as in saying the game was over but I also didn't see the Knicks winning this game because of the energy expanded on coming back and no player was stepping to the forefront except for Jamal who couldn't hit the Ocean from Jones Beach.

They all know the game was over Joe, but you see, when you have a chance to bash Isiah, they just can't pass it up, you know what I mean?

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11/19/2006  11:56 PM
I seriously feel like I am in super-reverso weird world following this thread.
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Posted by joec32033:

I seriously feel like I am in super-reverso weird world following this thread.

You too Joe?
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11/19/2006  11:58 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:

I actually see where oohah is coming from. I wouldn't go as far as in saying the game was over but I also didn't see the Knicks winning this game because of the energy expanded on coming back and no player was stepping to the forefront except for Jamal who couldn't hit the Ocean from Jones Beach.

They all know the game was over Joe, but you see, when you have a chance to bash Isiah, they just can't pass it up, you know what I mean?

oohah

Like I said, I wouldn't say the game was over, or even close to over, but I've seen games like this before. If one player stepped to the front and carried the team, I'd be on the other side of the argument. While the game wasn't "over" I just didn't see the Knicks winning the game.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 11-19-2006 11:58 PM]
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:

I seriously feel like I am in super-reverso weird world following this thread.

You too Joe?

oh yeah...I feel like I just took the red pill and am falling down the rabbit hole.
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