No I am not comparing Curry to Ewing. Ewing was introduced by you as an example. You were saying that it didn't work out well. My point is that Ewing was pretty damn good at PF though it was not optimal. Nothing to do with Curry at all. I wouldn't compare the two becasue that would be sacrilege.
Huh? I brought up Ewings situation. I never compared the two players. You are saying if Ewing was ok at it, Curry should be. I disagree. Since we both agree that it wasn't an optimal position for Ewing, then my point in mentioning Ewing has been made and using him as a comparison has been made.
His development in CHI was nigh non-existent. That's why CHI had such a weak and disappointing frontcourt both Curry and Chandler. Great one game mediaocre to bad the next 3, rinse and repeat. That is also why Skiles soured on Curry, he just wasn't that good in the role they wanted him to play and we still want him to play.
Skile's disappontment in Curry was more based on his work ethic being crappy, he was never in shape, and he never played defense. The heart thing was the final straw.
And about Curry' great one game, bad the next 3(which I have used in proving points I have made in the past) that may just be the type of player he is. That has nothing to do with what position he plays, it has to do with the player's motivation.
I agree. Lee is better. But the cmparison of the games they play is pretty close, especially at this point in Lee's development.
I disagree.I see it more as how Marion plays. Since we won't agree it really doesn't matter. It's the same game, just a matter of how good each respective player was at it.
Again, Ewing was introduced by you--see above. SO I agree, Ewing was better than Curry at everything.
I brought up Ewing's
situation. You are using the argument that Ewing did well playing there so Curry may(even though their games are totally different).
My point is, as bad as Frye is offensively now, that's what Jeffries is like on the normal. (Exaggerating for effect.).
Again, Whether is Frye or someone else, three defensive/scrappy/garbage/choose your cliche players in the front court is not what I consider to be optimal.
If you are comparing the Frye of this year, yes he is terrible.
The Frye of last year compares as good or better than Jeffires in every category except quality of D:
Jarred Jeffries:
2005-06 WAS 77 25:18 2.4 5.4 45.1 0.2 0.7 32.0 1.3 2.2 58.9 2.1 2.8 4.9 1.9 1.3 0.8 0.7 2.9 6.4
Channing Frye:
2005-06 NY 65 24:11 4.7 9.9 47.7 0.1 0.1 33.3 2.9 3.5 82.5 2.1 3.6 5.8 0.8 1.5 0.5 0.7 3.1 12.3
The only difference between me and a lot of guys is that I've already seen what Channing can do on a regular basis and I beleive he will snap out of it. He certainly did not break out like I thought he would (Early at least), but I would say the way he is playing now is even more surprising than him breaking out, don't you think?
You ever hear how in baseball, an electric rookie pitcher's first trip through the majors is usually extremely good. Then the next time around he gets nailed because people know what to expect?
This is what's happening to Frye. He has to adjust.
My point is, as bad as Frye is offensively now, that's what Jeffries is like on the normal. (Exaggerating for effect.).
Again, Whether is Frye or someone else, three defensive/scrappy/garbage/choose your cliche players in the front court is not what I consider to be optimal.
If you are comparing the Frye of this year, yes he is terrible.
The Frye of last year compares as good or better than Jeffires in every category except quality of D:
Jarred Jeffries:
2005-06 WAS 77 25:18 2.4 5.4 45.1 0.2 0.7 32.0 1.3 2.2 58.9 2.1 2.8 4.9 1.9 1.3 0.8 0.7 2.9 6.4
Channing Frye:
2005-06 NY 65 24:11 4.7 9.9 47.7 0.1 0.1 33.3 2.9 3.5 82.5 2.1 3.6 5.8 0.8 1.5 0.5 0.7 3.1 12.3
The only difference between me and a lot of guys is that I've already seen what Channing can do on a regular basis and I beleive he will snap out of it. He certainly did not break out like I thought he would (Early at least), but I would say the way he is playing now is even more surprising than him breaking out, don't you think?
Career stats-
Frye- 11 pts, 5.6 rebs., .9 steals, .7 blk., .4 ast.
JJ2- 6 pts, 4.8 rebs., .7 steals, .7 blks., 1.6 ast.
Major difference? Other than scoring, Jefferies is a much better defender. Which would be my WHOLE point in starting him because I have never said he was a better offensive player than Frye.
I'm taking it to extremes?:, I think that comparing Lee and Marion as scoring threats is a little extreme.
As is comparing Curry to Ewing by saying if Ewing can do it, Curry can.
To think Lee has the skills to play PG at the college level, especially at the highest level in the ACC, would suggest to me that you consider him to have guard-level (If not PG level in the NBA) ball-handling skills, which I would consider to be an extreme view. I did not take you to extremes Joe.
I thought he was recruited as a 6-2 PG. Lee has above average ball handling skills for that position is the whole point I'm trying to make.
AS for your List-
Tim Duncan (I have seen him go coast to coast, break his man off the dribble, and initiate the offense.)
Vin Baker (He is shot, but was among the best ball-handling PF's in his time.)
Renaldo Balkman (A much better dribbler than Lee already)
Chris Bosh (Better than Servicable ball-handling skills)
Rudy Gay (Did you see him against the Knicks? Nice ball-handling skills, Memphis jobbed Houston with that trade)
Gerald Greene (Guard level ball-handling skills, though not ready to really play yet.)
Antawn Jamison (A true Forward with guard skills and plays like a guard. Far better ball-handling than Lee.)
Shawn Marion (better at everything including ball-handling.)
Donyell Marshall (Came out of school touted as a guard-skilled forward, better than servicable ball-handling skills.)
Troy Murphy (In college and the pros they isolate him against his man to break the defensive player down.)
Vladimir Radmonovic (Can dribble nearly like a guard, outstanding passer)
Antoine Walker (Can this be argued? He pretty much played PG when on the Celtics averaging at least 5 assists some years, he has the ability to shake anyone on the dribble and he throws passes that are amazing at times. He leads the break all the time.)
Tim Duncan-He is not better than Lee. Lee is much more fluid.
Vin Baker-I didn't know we were talking all time, I disagree, but he was still a good ball handler.
Renaldo Balkman-No way. And he is a SF.
Chris Bosh-Better than servicable is not better than Lee.
Rudy Gay-More of a SF than a PF.
Gerald Greene-He's a PF the same way Renaldo Balkman is. Meaning he isn't.
Antawn Jamison-He is a very good ball handler, but he is a SF. You narrowed this to PF's.
Shawn Marion-He is arguably the 3rd best player in the league to me.
Donyell Marshall-He is a SF that became to fat to play the position.
Troy Murphy-In the pros, he's a 3 point shooter or a post up guy. He hardly ever breaks his man down.
Vladimir Radmonovic-Not only is he a SF, he is a one dimensional shooter.
Antoine Walker-Another SF who can play PF-but is truly a SF.
And that is only the PF's. And the truth is, that is pretty good if these are the only guys who are around his equal or better! I probably missed some though, I am think West on NO but I haven't seen hi enough. Yahoo calls Lee an SF and compared to SF's there will be many, many more better ball-handlers than Lee.
You named mostly SF's of which only a handful are better .
But most of those guys will be worse rebounders than Lee! And you know what? I prefer my PF be a rugged rebounder than some fruity between the legs dribbbler!
FINALLY WE AGREE!
I did not write anything like that. Just the opposite actually if you take another look at what I wrote. Lee will be less effective if he is not playing next to a scorer.
