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oohah
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11/9/2006  11:58 AM
Posted by MS:

I asked you to look at their skill set not their stats. Tell me what Frye does better than Warrick, who had more success at the college level as well.

Based on 5 games this year. Very little, except he blocks more shots and gets more steals.

Based on An entire season:

Better: Rebound. Score. Any type of shooting. Blocks more shots. Fouls less.

About the same: Steals, turnovers.

Channing Frye:
2005-06 NY 65 24:11 4.7 9.9 47.7 0.1 0.1 33.3 2.9 3.5 82.5 2.1 3.6 5.8 0.8 1.5 0.5 0.7 3.1 12.3

Hakeem Warrick:
2005-06 MEM 68 10:35 1.5 3.4 44.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.1 1.7 66.1 0.6 1.5 2.1 0.4 0.8 0.2 0.3 1.7 4.1

Perhpas you are not judging their skills on their stat line, but for some reason Frye comes out quite a bit ahead in measuremewnt of most skills, unless your opinion is based on 5 games this season and not their entire rookie year.

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11/9/2006  12:15 PM
Have you watched either of these guys closely or just watched Frye. Warrick was very good back to the basket player in college unlike Fyre who didn't hone those skils in the back 10.

Fine its only 5 games, but Frye is being taken out of the game because he is killing the team. It's very alarming that he has shot 9-43 which is below 21%. Guards go through slumps, but bigs should never be shooting like that. His last three games, 2-11, 2-10, 2-10.

Frye can't jump and you won't see him dunking on anyone with the 20 extra pounds. I guess its not troubling that he has perhaps the worst fg % in the entire nba for someone averaging above 10 minutes. Bigs just don't shoot that badly......i know its only 5 games
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11/9/2006  12:37 PM
Have you watched either of these guys closely or just watched Frye. Warrick was very good back to the basket player in college unlike Fyre who didn't hone those skils in the back 10.

You're so off here it is unimaginable. Warrick was a very low-level skill player in college. He simply jumped over everybody. He had no moves. He has developed a couple, but he is still reliant on his athletic ability overall.
Fine its only 5 games, but Frye is being taken out of the game because he is killing the team. It's very alarming that he has shot 9-43 which is below 21%. Guards go through slumps, but bigs should never be shooting like that. His last three games, 2-11, 2-10, 2-10.

So no big player should ever go through a shooting slump like that? Outside of the fact that that statement makes no sense, I think you should check your man Warrick's game logs from last season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3945/gamelog;_ylt=Aia4TN5InuCkFA5K1cYjOEmkvLYF?year=2005

You'll see that he had stretches where he shot 0 percent! And then he had some SHORT stretches where he shot 75-100 percent. Which means if he ain't dunking it, it ain't goin' in.


Back to the basket game? Har!
Frye can't jump and you won't see him dunking on anyone with the 20 extra pounds. I guess its not troubling that he has perhaps the worst fg % in the entire nba for someone averaging above 10 minutes. Bigs just don't shoot that badly......i know its only 5 games

See my above response.

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[Edited by - oohah on 09-11-2006 12:38 PM]
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11/9/2006  1:25 PM
If anyone truly think this team-----as assembled ----has ANY chance of winning a world championship anytime soon, you are out of you cotton-pickin minds.
Most of these posts go with the ebb and flow of the end result--even dating back last year when the + result was few and far between. I think players get 2nd 3rd 4th etc.. chances and sometimes for good reason. I am a big Crawford fan--I wanted him well before he was a Knick. But the bottom line is he is so drastically streaky you cant count on him. and when a BIG time piece can go 2-14 one night or 40 points the next--you are not winning that way. Im all for givng Crawford ONE more chance, but if he shows consistent spotiness AT ALL, I will wait for him to have a couple of these types of games and sell him at a high.

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11/9/2006  1:28 PM
Posted by TMS:

don't give me that self serving condescending bullcrap MS... i know what the F i'm watching... i see Nate looking GREAT out there every night... i see him making a big difference during games... i saw Lowry play some very good defense & grab some big boards in that 1st game, but he was a complete nonfactor on the offensive end... so yeah, i know what i'm watching... the question is do you?

Nate is better than Lowry. Nate is an impact bench player and should opnly get better. Im very impressed with Nate and he is one guy that should STAY because of a VARIETY of reasons--namely his heart. Nate is a WINNER and he CAN be a piece on a championship team because of his skills and intangibles---just like Lee.
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11/9/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

don't give me that self serving condescending bullcrap MS... i know what the F i'm watching... i see Nate looking GREAT out there every night... i see him making a big difference during games... i saw Lowry play some very good defense & grab some big boards in that 1st game, but he was a complete nonfactor on the offensive end... so yeah, i know what i'm watching... the question is do you?

Nate is better than Lowry. Nate is an impact bench player and should opnly get better. Im very impressed with Nate and he is one guy that should STAY because of a VARIETY of reasons--namely his heart. Nate is a WINNER and he CAN be a piece on a championship team because of his skills and intangibles---just like Lee.

Amen brother. It's so blatantly obvious that our role players are better than our superstars.


[Edited by - realhiphop on 11-09-2006 1:38 PM]
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11/9/2006  1:36 PM
I wasn't doing the deal straight up, if they would have taken francis, nate, frye, to bring back an expiring deal and save 36million in salary and free up guard position i would have done it in a heart beat......Nate is better than lowry at the current time but they are the same type of player but lowry gets after it more on the defensive end and nate is more of an offensive force.

Crawford, like briggs said is not reliable, so if you could move him for some value or even to clear some space i don't really see a problem with it. We are not any closer to winning anything so essentialy you are giving up on a player that is going to be making 10 million once the team shows a direction. He is a bench player and not a starter, a talented scorer but not a leader.

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IS ISIAH IS SAYING ITS NOT AN ADVANTAGE TO PLAY AT HOME
-Malik saying these guys are shaken, thats because they are loser, I go every night, watch every night, and I will never boo a team that is making an effort defensively, taking care of the ball, diving on the floor and hitting the glass, but if you bring in guys that don't care and don't hustle they deserve to get lit up. You can't have three players that don't know how to play any defense on your team Curry, Crawford and Frye being your future.
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11/9/2006  1:52 PM
And here is another thing: Everyone is jumping on Frye for his D when he is obvioulsy improved. I saw him block Warrick and draw a charge on him.

Halfway through the Denver game he drew a charge on Nene, and he had a nice block (3 blocks total) and a steal.

It's his offense that is hurting. Give the kid a break and he will come around just fine.

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11/9/2006  1:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If anyone truly think this team-----as assembled ----has ANY chance of winning a world championship anytime soon, you are out of you cotton-pickin minds.
Most of these posts go with the ebb and flow of the end result--even dating back last year when the + result was few and far between. I think players get 2nd 3rd 4th etc.. chances and sometimes for good reason. I am a big Crawford fan--I wanted him well before he was a Knick. But the bottom line is he is so drastically streaky you cant count on him. and when a BIG time piece can go 2-14 one night or 40 points the next--you are not winning that way. Im all for givng Crawford ONE more chance, but if he shows consistent spotiness AT ALL, I will wait for him to have a couple of these types of games and sell him at a high.

No- I don't think anyone thinks this group can win a championship- of course, I thought Miami would implode with all their egos/old players. But Wade is a superstar, and to win it all, you need a superstar. And we don't have one.

Crawford should not be a major piece of this franchise- he should be a supporting cast member.

But you don't trade him for nothing just to clear the contract. His contract isn't choking this team's cap.
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11/9/2006  1:56 PM
Posted by franco12:

as for Frye being in a funk- just think- how many of us would have been happy if Isiah had traded Q this past summer.

Imagine Q doing what he is doing now on another team, and think how we would all feel- crap, bad move.

Give Frye more than five games in his second season before we crucify him.

Can you give him 20 games?

Very good point

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11/9/2006  1:59 PM
Watched a little more. So Frye pins Carmello's shot, and throws Camby's shot 15 feet.

Yeah, he's so soft.

oohah

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11/9/2006  1:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If anyone truly think this team-----as assembled ----has ANY chance of winning a world championship anytime soon, you are out of you cotton-pickin minds.
Most of these posts go with the ebb and flow of the end result--even dating back last year when the + result was few and far between. I think players get 2nd 3rd 4th etc.. chances and sometimes for good reason. I am a big Crawford fan--I wanted him well before he was a Knick. But the bottom line is he is so drastically streaky you cant count on him. and when a BIG time piece can go 2-14 one night or 40 points the next--you are not winning that way. Im all for givng Crawford ONE more chance, but if he shows consistent spotiness AT ALL, I will wait for him to have a couple of these types of games and sell him at a high.

John Starks?

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11/9/2006  2:02 PM
Posted by oohah:

Watched a little more. So Frye pins Carmello's shot, and throws Camby's shot 15 feet.

Yeah, he's so soft.

oohah

i think people were saying that his hair is soft. the kid got the "good hair".
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11/9/2006  2:03 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If anyone truly think this team-----as assembled ----has ANY chance of winning a world championship anytime soon, you are out of you cotton-pickin minds.
Most of these posts go with the ebb and flow of the end result--even dating back last year when the + result was few and far between. I think players get 2nd 3rd 4th etc.. chances and sometimes for good reason. I am a big Crawford fan--I wanted him well before he was a Knick. But the bottom line is he is so drastically streaky you cant count on him. and when a BIG time piece can go 2-14 one night or 40 points the next--you are not winning that way. Im all for givng Crawford ONE more chance, but if he shows consistent spotiness AT ALL, I will wait for him to have a couple of these types of games and sell him at a high.

John Starks?

you can live with john starks when you have ewing tho.
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11/9/2006  2:10 PM
Posted by izybx:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

If anyone truly think this team-----as assembled ----has ANY chance of winning a world championship anytime soon, you are out of you cotton-pickin minds.
Most of these posts go with the ebb and flow of the end result--even dating back last year when the + result was few and far between. I think players get 2nd 3rd 4th etc.. chances and sometimes for good reason. I am a big Crawford fan--I wanted him well before he was a Knick. But the bottom line is he is so drastically streaky you cant count on him. and when a BIG time piece can go 2-14 one night or 40 points the next--you are not winning that way. Im all for givng Crawford ONE more chance, but if he shows consistent spotiness AT ALL, I will wait for him to have a couple of these types of games and sell him at a high.

John Starks?


Give me a break. John Starks was the heart and soul and he was a mean defender--living and dying with John was tolerable, although you see the consequences in big spots:(

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11/9/2006  2:13 PM
Obviously there needs to be a team around him but thats not the point. My point is that a good team can have success with a streak shooter as a major contributor.
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11/9/2006  2:20 PM
terrible point!

Starks was an unbelievable defender, Crawford is a terrible defender. You can sacrifice if the player doesn't kill you on the other end. Especially when your frontcourt is Ewing and Oak
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11/9/2006  2:24 PM
Crawford has made the 2 biggest defensive plays this season so far... he's no John Starks defensively by a long shot, but he's improving.
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11/9/2006  2:27 PM
Iverson makes big plays all the time but he is not a defender, you have to make the effort the entire game not just in spurts.
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11/11/2006  8:08 AM
Mihm's out 5 to 8 months after ankle surgery
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