I didn't know he considered trading for Webber. I missed that one.

Posted by crzymdups:

I didn't know he considered trading for Webber. I missed that one.

For someone who's so down with this team how is it you let major potential happenings with this franchise slip by without you knowing? Just a casual fan feeling a tad too proud.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-31-2006 12:43 AM]

Man you guys are a freakin JOKE!!! You're like a bunch of old women coming together and telling the same old stories and gossiping all day. Are you not happy that the team was able to use it's assets before to add not only players thru trades, but Draft picks? Many of whom are now going to be important parts of this team? What the hell are you all complaining about? Why is it so hard to understand that we had to do things differently in order to retool without cap space. We took advantage of our money situation and now we don't have to use that method anymore. We have enough good young players to build with.

How about we put some energy into the coming season? OR do you guys just want to continue to bitch about Isiah some more?

It makes me laugh. Some of you guys are so desperate to bash anything Isiah does, noones even noticed how poorly this article was put together. Allan Houston was amnestied? Really? I must have missed that.

Personally, I don't care about this pro/anti Isiah tussle. I just want whoever is on the court to play hard and win. But theres a lot of stance-changing on the boards nowadays. Last year it was all about, "Isiah never admits and tries to reverse his mistakes", "Isiah makes all the decisions, not LB" and "The salary cap is vital, we need to dump all expiring contracts ASAP". This year its "Isiahs a fool", "Dolan is making all the decisions, not Isiah" and "To hell with the salary cap, we should be keeping Mo and Jalen for trades".

I wish one of the anti-Isiah posters could at least be man enough to admit that Isiah is doing exactly what you wanted him to do last year right now. I'm not saying everything he's done was smart, we all know Isiah has ponced up his fair share here, but right now, he's doing EXACTLY what you were all demanding last year. How does he win?

Its a shame when people make personal vendettas ie. Briggs - Renaldo, BlueSeats - Marbury, lotsa other - Isiah. It changes the focus of what could be good indepth debate.

I only have 2 personal vendettas in the NBA. 1. I want the Knicks to do well, regardless of how stupid we have been in the past. 2. I dont like RJ. No matter how much of a nice guy he is, an upstanding, charitable man of the community, I just dont like him. When we talk about the Nets, I will readily admit that my personal feelings on RJ cloud my judgement. The Nets suck. Always have, always will. In reality of course, they have a really good team, and will probably get to the ECF, but thats what personal vendettas do to you.

Sigh.

Posted by fishmike:

Isiah is a terrible GM that has made a slew of bad trades. The fact that Larry Brown still gets blamed for Rose and Francis is hysterical, because Isiah would NEVER trade expiring contracts for a starphucked player or another veteran with a bad contract to get a late #1 back. No... before Larry was here Isiah never did anything like that. I'm sure it was a real arm bender for Larry to get Isiah to pull the trigger on those.

I hate Isiah because he has brought shame and embarrassment to the team I love.

I'm rooting for the players to win and play well, because like I said I love this team. However, like crzy, ohah, nixluva have Larry, its nice to have Isiah as a built in excuse for any problem I want to lay blame on. I see where you guys are coming from.. its just so convenient.

[Edited by - fishmike on 10-31-2006 07:26 AM]

Fish, I dont care if you hate Isiah. Personally, I dont, not because I approve of the things he does, but because, hes the man in the job at the moment. He's been given a short lease, and I am happy to see what he can do with his own roster. All I want from the anti-Isiah bunch is a little clarity of vision here. The man is certainly trying. Theres no questioning that. We may not like how his ham-handed attempts have worked out, but the things he has done this year so far, are all the things you and others have been calling him to do for 2 years now. Cant you at least give the man props for actually going in YOUR direction? Instead, the line now is that its not him, and everything he does is another proof that he's not in charge. Maybe he is? Maybe, just maybe, he actually is doing the things you wanted all this time. But instead of appreciating that, you guys still manage to badmouth him.

Just to be clear, whatever Isiah has done this year does not excuse the mistakes of the past. I havent forgotten the Jerome James deal, nor have I forgotten the unprotected pick. He will be killed by fans for eternity for his bad moves. Why cant he be applauded when he makes the moves advocated so strongly by you?

Posted by firefly:

Posted by fishmike:

Isiah is a terrible GM that has made a slew of bad trades. The fact that Larry Brown still gets blamed for Rose and Francis is hysterical, because Isiah would NEVER trade expiring contracts for a starphucked player or another veteran with a bad contract to get a late #1 back. No... before Larry was here Isiah never did anything like that. I'm sure it was a real arm bender for Larry to get Isiah to pull the trigger on those.

I hate Isiah because he has brought shame and embarrassment to the team I love.

I'm rooting for the players to win and play well, because like I said I love this team. However, like crzy, ohah, nixluva have Larry, its nice to have Isiah as a built in excuse for any problem I want to lay blame on. I see where you guys are coming from.. its just so convenient.

[Edited by - fishmike on 10-31-2006 07:26 AM]

Fish, I dont care if you hate Isiah. Personally, I dont, not because I approve of the things he does, but because, hes the man in the job at the moment. He's been given a short lease, and I am happy to see what he can do with his own roster. All I want from the anti-Isiah bunch is a little clarity of vision here. The man is certainly trying. Theres no questioning that. We may not like how his ham-handed attempts have worked out, but the things he has done this year so far, are all the things you and others have been calling him to do for 2 years now. Cant you at least give the man props for actually going in YOUR direction? Instead, the line now is that its not him, and everything he does is another proof that he's not in charge. Maybe he is? Maybe, just maybe, he actually is doing the things you wanted all this time. But instead of appreciating that, you guys still manage to badmouth him.

Just to be clear, whatever Isiah has done this year does not excuse the mistakes of the past. I havent forgotten the Jerome James deal, nor have I forgotten the unprotected pick. He will be killed by fans for eternity for his bad moves. Why cant he be applauded when he makes the moves advocated so strongly by you?

I gave him plenty of praise early on. The first thing he was point a finger at the players. I was dying for years of Layden for anyone to do that. Anyone remember how suddenly guys started playing harder? I even gave him props for the Marbury trade. Taking Penny back was rough we had a bunch of jumpshooting bigs in KT, KVH and Doleac. Marbury was good fit. The team starts playing well, playoffs are in sight, good things are happening. The guys are responding well to Lenny, there's some chemistry. Then the bad stuff started to happen. Against the coach's wishes he trades two of the guys who were playing great in KVH and Doleac for two guys that didnt fit.

The rest is history. He's drafted good players and made one terrible trade after another. We now have coach #5 and we havent hit 3 years yet.

honestly, don't we still have this season to judge? I respect everyone's negative opinion, but I see brighter skies ahead.

if from here on out isiah makes all the right moves, there will be more negativity as they will believe he is going back on his word to continue to run the franchise into the ground.

I believe it's been 3 steps back (marbury, curry, francis) to take a giant leap forward (lee, frye, balkman, collins, nate and to some extent Ariza).

He came into an 'impossible' GM position and has turned the roster over and the franchise is looking into the future...even the papers are beginning to notice that we will be at $86 mill next year and will be even closer to below the tax threshold the year after Marbury (and francis).

Last year not withstanding, we are on course for both cap/roster flexibility and being competitive.

It's been an ugly year, but the ship has been righted.

Heck, even the Qrich deal looking like a winner.

not for nothing but of the players remaining on the knicks roster, only 4 are a result of using expiring deals:

marbury, francis, jamal, and renaldo

i think it's safe to say that the "expiring" deal philosphy was a failure.

"Actually we saved money by buying (Rose and Maurice Taylor) out," Thomas said to reporters yesterday.

what a...