nobody said Larry was wrong, we just said the way he went about it (crying to the press, tanking the season, giving away Ty Thomas, etc.) was wrong.

Everyone knows we were top heavy in salary and underachieving. But benching lee after a great 6 games and 40 something starting lineups was just plain crazy...even for new york.

marbury and francis will prove him wrong about dumping everybody.

His one year stint has made everyone a stronger person. Even the haters.

Posted by Nalod:


If Im David And I see Isiah calling his franchise player a pu$$y, and dumping players like Larry asked, one migh conclude Larry was not that wrong.

At 17mill who can we really get that would be worth it?? Without giving up someone like Frye or Lee or Robinson or Lee & Robinson or our draft pick. Which wouldn't make it worth it.

Next yr M.Rose 7mil will be available for trade. So there is still a chance to overpay for another player

Next season Marbury-Francis-James will be the 3 demands contract wise. But If Francis can have a good positive yr. He might be get some attention this deadline or in the offseason. And we could actually be in a position of strength. James can get boughtout so we could save a little money. Marbury at 20mill aint going nowhere even if Isiah failed at his task to be drastically better and was fired for the next 3 seasons.

Posted by islesfan:

So Isiah is allowed to throw away "assets" because nobody trusts him to use them correctly??

That's so ass backwards. But that's what the Knicks are under Isiah.

How about getting rid of the idiot Isiah and hire someone who you can trust with the expiring contracts? Oh no, that makes too much sense.

Giving Rose and MoT $28M for nothing this year is ok but they didn't have $7M to resign Butler? WTF?

More like, Dolan didn't allow him to do anything with the assets. Signing Butler would have been nice. If we were going to buyout Mo Taylor, I wish we'd have done it earlier and signed Butler AND Jefferies. That said, Butler is still extremely overrated by everyone on this board and John Hollinger, too. He's better than Jerome James or Cato, though, that's for damn sure.

also, just to be clear - Jalen wasn't an asset, he was an over the hill chucker who Larry Brown BEGGED for.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 29-10-2006 6:17 PM]

I like the plan so far.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by crzymdups:

More like, Dolan didn't allow him to do anything with the assets.

The only reason Dolan won't allow him to do anything from now on is because Isiah clearly demonstrated that he made extremely poor use of the assets in the past.

True. He's on the hot seat. But it just shows the short-sightedness/idiocy of Dolan. Where are we if KG becomes available in February? Because believe me, when Minnesota realizes they're missing the playoffs for the third straight season, they'll look around. We could have dangled Rose and Frye. Where are we if Indiana decides its time to part ways with Jermaine O'neal? If Phoenix decides they want to trade Marion? We're over the cap for the next four years anyway, we gain nothing by waiving Rose. Dolan not trusting himself or his management to make the right call is forcing us to cash out early. Dolan is a horrendous owner, his ridiculous short-sightedness has driven us to A) the Houston contract, B) the Ewing trade, C) the Camby trade, D) the Sprewell/KVH trade, E) the Marbury trade and F) the Brown fiasco. Any employee under him is dealt a horrible hand to start with. Isiah hasn't done a good job, but I really don't know if anyone could under Dolan's idiocy. We'll regret not having Rose's deal in February for one reason or another.

Crzy, there are not many times we fully agree with each other but this is certainly one time I agree 1000% with you. It was extremely stupid for Dolan to implement this but its due to Isiah's own idiocy. When and If the guys you mentioned become available, theres no way we can take them unless a 3rd team is involved or they want to take Marbury or Francis. Chances are neither scenario is happening and the Knicks are out of the running for guys like Garnett, JOneal, Marion. There are certain teams that it's fine to be out of the running, teams that are contenders and don't need to make such a move or teams that are rebuilding like the Bobcats and don't have the contracts to match up. The Knicks on the other hand, are not a team contending nor are they a team rebuilding but they won't be in the running because no one wants a guy like Marbury and now we don't have expirings to get the deal done.

The Knicks could easily have any one of those 3 players for a deal of MoT, Jalen Rose, and Frye. Done. Deals done, the Knicks would then have a stud PF and the eastern conference title is in sight.

Thanks Isiah, Thanks Dolan.

The only players that would be available for Rose would be Zack Randolph, K-MART, Larry Hughes, Webber, maybe Boozer but they would want Lee.

There is no way we get Garnett, J'Oneal, or Marion for just Rose & Frye. For Garnett they are going to want a proven stud back or they are going to want to unload 2-3contracts as well as want Lee & or Robinson & or a draft pick. Bird is not going to give up J'Oneal to Isiah or the Knicks who play in there division. And form a Curry-J'Oneal frontcourt. Suns will want a proven stud back for Marion just the same. Though I can see them liking a package of Rose, Frye, Lee or Robinson and a draft pick but passing for a proven stud.

The only thing I can think of though is a deal like Rose

This is the current outlook for the Knicks cap. We're are never gonna get under there without shedding some contracts. I factored in the remaining years on Curry and Jeffries by adding 10% raises for each consecutive year that they are signed. Let me know if this doesn't line up with what people know about their contracts:

Player			2007/08		2008/09		2009/10		2010/11

Stephon Marbury		$20,109,375 	$21,937,500 	$0 		$0 			
Steve Francis		$16,440,000 	$17,180,000 	$0 		$0 			
Eddy Curry		$8,988,213 	$9,887,035 	$10,875,738 	$0 				
Quentin Richardson	$8,825,750 	$9,352,500 	$0 		$0 				
Jamal Crawford		$7,920,000 	$8,640,000 	$9,360,000 	$10,080,000 				
Malik Rose		$7,101,250 	$0 		$0 		$0 		
Jerome James		$5,800,000 	$6,200,000 	$6,600,000 	$0 				
Jared Jeffries		$5,736,500 	$6,310,150 	$6,941,165 	$7,635,282 				
Channing Frye		$2,487,240 	$3,163,769 	$4,264,760 	$0 				
Nate Robinson		$1,268,160 	$2,020,178 	$2,911,077 	$0 				
Renaldo Balkman		$1,234,800 	$1,320,960 	$2,036,920 	$2,918,906 				
David Lee		$990,600 	$1,788,033 	$2,682,049 	$0 				
Mardy Collins		$932,760 	$997,800 	$1,801,029 	$2,701,543 				

TOTALS:			$87,114,398 	$88,271,175 	$56,825,238 	$23,335,731 					

Posted by nyk4ever:

Good work Evil.

Between adding players through the draft and through trades, the Knicks will never be under the cap as long as Isiah Thomas is still the GM.

Thanks. Yeah, as you can see -- in 09/10 we get close to below the cap, but there are only 10 players under contract. We will need at least two more guys there. What we really need now is a deal where we send some contracts packing and take expiring deals back in return. It would be sweet to move Jamal and JJ1 for some expirings, but who would take that?

nah, he wants to go into broadcasting...he was already doing it and he has said all the right things in the press. it's a win win for everyone involved.

Posted by Elite:

does anyone else feel kinda bad for jalen?

that would be cool if we could steal (fantasy alert, fantasy alert) lebron or wade or melo (I like him most still...Cuse!) that year.

does that make me crazy?
does that make me crazy?
does that make me crazy?
Possibly.

Posted by rvhoss:

that would be cool if we could steal (fantasy alert, fantasy alert) lebron or wade or melo (I like him most still...Cuse!) that year.

does that make me crazy?
does that make me crazy?
does that make me crazy?
Possibly.

What year? We are not lined up to be under the cap unless we move some players and replace them with expiring contracts, rooks and vets at the minimum.