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Panos
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10/27/2006  8:04 AM
Imagine a front line of Bynum + Tyrus Thomas + Lee/JJ2.
Totally different team.
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10/27/2006  8:06 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
Love that movie but why are we doing this? We cant have Bynum back. Lets please look forward. Please please please!
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10/27/2006  8:15 AM
the point is, Bynam wouldent have been able to handle the pressure of being New Yorks number one draft pick.. period
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10/27/2006  8:20 AM
Posted by fishmike:

this is painfull... Bynum didnt have a turnover last night. Not one. And he plays mean and tough.

Meanwhile back at the ranch Steven Hunter is blocking Frye's dunks and Curry gets 2 rebounds.

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue


Stephen hunter can block anybody can't he? Isn't he a good shotblocker? I'll bet he has blocked the shot of the best pF's and Centers in the game at one time or another.

Yeah, Fish, Bynum is better than Frye right this moment. Right. And if he was here I'll bet you would be tearing into him for every thing that hasn't been developed in his game yet, not praising him for having one decent game.

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10/27/2006  8:26 AM
I really dont understand the point of doing this. You guys are stomping on any hope optimistic fans have. If we hadn't signed Houston to that multi-year contract, if we hadn't turned down crawford for Vince Carter, if he hadn't traded Ewing and let him expire, blah blah.
Vince Carter looks better than any guard we had. 70% of this forum was against that. Why dont we talk about how good he has been? This is ****ing bull****. A nice way to kill the happy hope I had last night.

This Monday morning QBing is ridiculus IMO. The fact is there is not a team in the league that you could not do the same thing to. What if Ind. had draft Marcus Williams? What if Altlanta had drafted Marcus Williams? What if Golden State had picked up Bynum last year? I mean it is real easy to be a GM in hindsight, and most of the people that do this conveniently ignore all the players they said we should have gotten who don't pan out. For instance, no one was calling for IT to pick Lee, but he is easily going to be better than the other players the experts were saying we should have gotten. What really is the point? Can you say that IT has not drafted solid players for the team. If you can't, then you must acknowledge that he has done a better job drafting than more than half the GM's in the league because most teams don't have three solid drafts in a row, especially when only one of the picks was in the lottery.
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10/27/2006  8:46 AM
damn you guys b1tch about everything. Can this kid play a full season before crowning him the next best thing?

where is that old Bynum thread Briggs made? I dont recall ANY of you talking this mess before (except Briggs). NOW...after ONE preseason game...that only TWO of you watched....you all talking shiit. amazing.
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10/27/2006  9:30 AM
Did you see the block on Kenyon Martin with those long arms, now he will defend the goal.

Ok, how many games has Bynum played his entire life? He played around 30 throughout ALL of high school and he played 46 games with an average of 7.3 minutes a game.

Plus he is still growing. Can you imagine yourself trying to play a professional sport, succeed at it, learn adult life lessons while on the road, and do it all while you're still growing on the west coast. I don't know if anybody has noticed how fast Bynum is maturing and blossoming right before our eyes . It has taken Kwame 5 years to get to where he is now, and he's played more in high school and pros.

Also, its hard to compare Bynum to any other players that have come out of high school because...He's The Youngest Draft Pick ever! And probably forever unless a new commissioner comes in and changes everything, there won't be any 17 year olds being drafted out of high school with 30 games under their belt.

To think he looks better than Curry already at 19 yrs old today, and we should have passed on Frye and not traded for curry at all.

Dolan's let's win now mentality with Isiah the puppy dog following behind will never allow us to secure a great frontline for the future.

It's all about the backcourt!



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10/27/2006  9:35 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:



Vince Carter looks better than any guard we had. 70% of this forum was against that. Why dont we talk about how good he has been? This is ****ing bull****. A nice way to kill the happy hope I had last night.


I was the main VC for crawford on the forum, I was lobbying so hard I got booted from the forum. LOL
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10/27/2006  9:41 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by fishmike:

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
Love that movie but why are we doing this? We cant have Bynum back. Lets please look forward. Please please please!

Hard to do that after a 23 win season. Look, I am rooting for Curry and Frye as much as the next guy. I am a big Frye fan too. But so far, as I thought it would be, they have sucked as a frontcourt and Bynum looks like he can be better than both of them combined, down the road. Hard to not look back at that one single move, b/c then Isiah probably wouldn't have even traded for Curry, could have used Sweetney as trade bait elsewhere, or we could have just kept him coming off the bench, and eventually brought in Ty Thomas, and maybe next year, Oden or Noah.

Almost every move Isiah made has been extremely short sighted. EXTREMELY. And as djsunyc pointed out, that includes drafting Channing Frye.
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10/27/2006  9:47 AM
If Ewing hadn't missed that finger roll...

If Hakeem hadn't blocked that jumper in game 6...

If Riley hadn't kept going to Starks in game 7...

If I only played 5 instead of 4 in the lotto...

If you had a billion "if"s you might have the perfect life. More likely, you'd go insane.

But hey, knock yourself out.
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10/27/2006  10:01 AM
If the Knicks hadn't won 23 games last year...

Why is that the one thing fans seem to be ignoring? It's not that win total I'm worried about actually. It's that we have that same exact potential (To go with the potential to be good of course too.)
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10/27/2006  10:20 AM
This isn't to dump on Frye, he's still a good pick even if not the best pick. But there's a reason that Isiah took him over Bynum and it's similar to the reason he took Balkman over Marcus Williams, and that is issues of character. Because the chemistry has been so awful and because Isiah has already invested so heavily in such... how shall I say... fruity players (Marbury, TT, eventually Curry, Robinson, Francis, etc) that he can no longer take chances on guys of questionable psyche. Not that there is anything wrong with Bynum's psyche, but Frye's has a track record that Bynum's didn't.

So Isiah has sort of boxed himself into a corner by taking large homerun swings on expensive guys of poor mental makeup such that he can't take risks even on the cheap.

I have zero problems with going for good character guys, but I do have a problem with mortgaging the future for our bad character guys. Now everything must be compensatory to that, and it feels like everything with Isiah is on a pendulum of compensation, and things work upside down, like where inexpensive rookies provide leadership for the exorbitant veterans. Or we get only offense oriented guys for two years and then only defensive guys for the next two. Or we make halfcourt players the face of the franchise one year and then promote that we will play like Phoenix the next.

Which way will the pendulum swing today?

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-27-2006 10:27 AM]
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10/27/2006  10:23 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Which way will the pendulum swing today?

well today's he's talking about building a team like the spurs...
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10/27/2006  10:59 AM
I think Frye is going to be a good player in this league, my draft board for last year was, and I still believe would be better than Frye in the long run.....

Bynum, Granger, Warrick, Green

Its a shame we couldn't have just waited and not made panic moves last year, signing JJ to a long term deal, giving away a draft pick for curry who is terrible, pick would have been 5-10 range, and the awful francis deal we would be in better shape....

I think you plan for the long term not the player who is going to produce an impact right away, thats why i take

Williams, Rondo, Alexander Johnson, Lowry in this draft instead of Balkman we could have had a center, pg, and a pf for the future in this draft to go with Lee and Nate Rob and give them ample time to mature while not losing the interest of the city, the league and the world
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10/27/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I really dont understand the point of doing this. You guys are stomping on any hope optimistic fans have. If we hadn't signed Houston to that multi-year contract, if we hadn't turned down crawford for Vince Carter, if he hadn't traded Ewing and let him expire, blah blah.

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10/27/2006  11:53 AM
Almost every move Isiah made has been extremely short sighted. EXTREMELY. And as djsunyc pointed out, that includes drafting Channing Frye.

Drafting a GOOD, young, long, highly skilled, intelligent, high-character, hard-working player is short sighted? How do you figure?

oohah

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10/27/2006  2:54 PM
Posted by oohah:
Almost every move Isiah made has been extremely short sighted. EXTREMELY. And as djsunyc pointed out, that includes drafting Channing Frye.

Drafting a GOOD, young, long, highly skilled, intelligent, high-character, hard-working player is short sighted? How do you figure?

oohah

There is no doubt that Frye has all of the characteristics you mentioned but I just believe he was the safe pick. I hate to spout off on Bynum, only because it has been done so many times already but I just felt at the time that drafting Frye over Bynum was the safe pick because you knew Frye would be pretty good and you couldn't really get killed for the pick. With that being said, drafting Bynum would have been more risky but at the time when you looked at his ceiling, it was and still is much higher than Fryes. I like Frye, this is not dissing Frye at all but I just think Bynum is going to be the better player and he is very close to already being better than Frye.
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10/27/2006  2:59 PM
Posted by oohah:
Almost every move Isiah made has been extremely short sighted. EXTREMELY. And as djsunyc pointed out, that includes drafting Channing Frye.

Drafting a GOOD, young, long, highly skilled, intelligent, high-character, hard-working player is short sighted? How do you figure?

oohah

because Bynum may be all those things and more. Defensive minded, more agile, longer, better athlete, younger.

For all of Frye's intelligence, he sure is lost on D.
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10/27/2006  3:03 PM
Posted by oohah:
Almost every move Isiah made has been extremely short sighted. EXTREMELY. And as djsunyc pointed out, that includes drafting Channing Frye.

Drafting a GOOD, young, long, highly skilled, intelligent, high-character, hard-working player is short sighted? How do you figure?

oohah

not shortsighted at all. but in his analysis, he said he wanted bynum but took frye b/c he could contribute now. so it sounded like he didn't want to take the time to develop bynum when he could use frye right away.
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10/27/2006  3:38 PM
forget who said what who might be great who might stink i will say that anyone who has seen bynum play his last few--honestly wouldnt you be very excited if he was doing that for the knicks? he may not be as good as frye or curry yet??????????????????? but unless injury befalls him, his value to an organization will be worth more than curry and frye combined. some kid laughed at me when i said bynum would have one heckuva shot to be in consideration with greg oden for pick 1 next year if he stayed in school. granted oden is an incredible athletic specimen for his size--he'll do things athletically andre cant do--but at the end of the day will he be better? i dont know about that. i though Bynum was part shaq part duncan and part KG--he's got size like shaq he has fundamentals like duncan and he can pass for a big man like kg--everytime the guy touched the bal it was a score or an assist--in fact even at 18 he was swaering out some teammattes for not getting him the ball and he was right. even in his interview afterword, you can tell he has a solid IQ. the difference between curry frye and bynum is bynum is a CHAMPIONSHIP type caliber player and those guys are not close.
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