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10/26/2006  12:54 PM
Posted by nixluva:

djsunyc, nalod, ilesfan and joec, Isiah actually SPOKE to Eddy directly and the media asked him what he was speaking to him about. There's a difference. If you remember LB NEVER spoke to Ariza, Steph, Mo etc. directly. He only spoke to them thru others or the media. There's a HUGE difference in that.

Nice try tho :)

Ariza:

Larry's ire rises with Ariza

Says benched forward is 'delusional'

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Trevor Ariza finds way to hoop but also out of Larry Brown's game plan.
Larry Brown shows no sign of backing down from Trevor Ariza, who claims he wasn't told why he was dropped from the rotation.

"To say he doesn't know what's going on, he's delusional," Brown said yesterday. "In my mind it has nothing to do with basketball. He's just got to grow up a little bit and understand this is a team and he's got to act like a good teammate."

Brown used the word "delusional" three times when talking about Ariza and seemed amused that such a big deal was being made over a part-time role player. But Brown reiterated that Ariza was informed as to the reasons for the demotion.

Brown said"Sometimes, they hear it from me and they go, 'That's just Coach,'". "We've got five other guys that have visited with him privately when this whole stuff about communication was going on. He heard something pretty specific from me before the game."

Asked why Ariza still doesn't understand what's going on, Brown, a former coach at Ariza's alma mater, joked: "If he doesn't, it's because UCLA was not a good academic institution."



A quote from Stephon Marbury:
“I don’t need to talk to him. He needs to come and find me and tell me what he wants me to do, if that’s what he feels is the case. He didn’t say one word to me about (Wednesday) night.”http://knicks.mostvaluablenetwork.com/general/larry-brown-and-stephon-marbury-the-great-communicators/
Unlike you I can admit it was a two-sided problem.

Taylor:
He's a scrub....does it matter?
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10/26/2006  1:09 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Unlike you I can admit it was a two-sided problem.

Taylor:
He's a scrub....does it matter?

I never said that it was ALL LB's fault. I only pointed out that there was a difference in what Isiah did vs. what LB did. Isiah took it upon himself to speak directly with Curry and the media saw it and asked him about it. LB waited how long before he finally spoke briefly with Steph to break the ice. This isn't to excuse Steph for his part, but to clearly show the distinction between how he chose to handle player relations and how Isiah does things. The player doesn't know the coach has a problem with what he's done unless the coach SAYS something to him. But to then READ that he said something insulting about how you played and that coach NEVER said anything to you about it directly is inexcusable.

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10/26/2006  1:12 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by joec32033:

Unlike you I can admit it was a two-sided problem.

Taylor:
He's a scrub....does it matter?

I never said that it was ALL LB's fault. I only pointed out that there was a difference in what Isiah did vs. what LB did. Isiah took it upon himself to speak directly with Curry and the media saw it and asked him about it. LB waited how long before he finally spoke briefly with Steph to break the ice. This isn't to excuse Steph for his part, but to clearly show the distinction between how he chose to handle player relations and how Isiah does things. The player doesn't know the coach has a problem with what he's done unless the coach SAYS something to him. But to then READ that he said something insulting about how you played and that coach NEVER said anything to you about it directly is inexcusable.

And I pointed out in at least 1 case you mentioned LB + several teammates talked to Ariza. Steph and LB had several reported sit downs before everything went south, and Mo Taylor didn't matter. He got hurt, lost his spot and got pissed.
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10/26/2006  1:43 PM
Posted by nixluva:

djsunyc, nalod, ilesfan and joec, Isiah actually SPOKE to Eddy directly and the media asked him what he was speaking to him about. There's a difference. If you remember LB NEVER spoke to Ariza, Steph, Mo etc. directly. He only spoke to them thru others or the media. There's a HUGE difference in that.

Nice try tho :)

Nice try Nix, but in your head the knicks are:


I admire your outlook, however disilusional it may be at times.
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10/26/2006  2:13 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by joec32033:

Unlike you I can admit it was a two-sided problem.

Taylor:
He's a scrub....does it matter?

I never said that it was ALL LB's fault. I only pointed out that there was a difference in what Isiah did vs. what LB did. Isiah took it upon himself to speak directly with Curry and the media saw it and asked him about it. LB waited how long before he finally spoke briefly with Steph to break the ice. This isn't to excuse Steph for his part, but to clearly show the distinction between how he chose to handle player relations and how Isiah does things. The player doesn't know the coach has a problem with what he's done unless the coach SAYS something to him. But to then READ that he said something insulting about how you played and that coach NEVER said anything to you about it directly is inexcusable.

And I pointed out in at least 1 case you mentioned LB + several teammates talked to Ariza. Steph and LB had several reported sit downs before everything went south, and Mo Taylor didn't matter. He got hurt, lost his spot and got pissed.

So according to you LB didn't PRIMARILY, bash and communicate his points to his players thru the media! Then go long stretches where he didn't speak directly with the players about his displeasure with them? The fact that he did do this, particularly with Steph, is well documented. In fact the idea that LB is a horrible communicator with his players, is well documented. There's no need to go into each instance again, but I think you KNOW that was a HUGE problem with LB.


[Edited by - nixluva on 10-26-2006 07:15 AM]
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10/26/2006  3:18 PM
So we have Isiah asking Eddy not to be so nice. How long until we have Eddy asking Isiah not to be so mean?
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10/26/2006  3:20 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

So we have Isiah asking Eddy not to be so nice. How long until we have Eddy asking Isiah not to be so mean?


we need our pg to act more like a man and our center to play more like one too.

maybe isiah should be gm'ing the liberty.
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10/26/2006  9:47 PM
That didn't used to have to be said publicly and it didn't always have to be said by the coach. This team needs a few player leaders to say that to Curry. Ewing, Oak, Mase, Bonner, Harper, Anthony, X didn't need to be told to be tough. We need a vet team leader to mold Curry. Balkman and Lee are the only guys that I see as playing like the Knicks of the early 90's.
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10/26/2006  10:36 PM
And I pointed out in at least 1 case you mentioned LB + several teammates talked to Ariza. Steph and LB had several reported sit downs before everything went south, and Mo Taylor didn't matter. He got hurt, lost his spot and got pissed.

You got it wrong Joe. My understanding that the 5 guys reference you underlined were assistant coaches. So LB did not speak to him directly. Even if it was players (And what would they be doing telling Ariza about his playing time?) THAT STILL IS NOT lb.

And the "He heard something pretty specific from me before the game..." quote does not describe a "meeting" to me. What did LB say to him specifically? Something like: "You're delusional!", "I'm not speaking to you!", "You're not playing anymore boy!".

LB treated everbody horsesh!t. Period.

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10/26/2006  11:47 PM
Some of you guys are missing the point!

I can't believe coach Zeke said it! It's about time someone told Curry that, but it's the right time. It's hard to beleive he's only 23 years old. Just the right age not to be too young to say it to, but old and mature enough to hear it. I do like the fact that Curry took it well and even decided to follow up on it. It's true guys. You haven't seen the best of Curry yet and now he's going to learn how to be a little tougher in the middle. He certainly has the size and strength. Now if he can only get an Oak Tree type personality, no one will mess with him! I'm really starting to believe more in Curry and believe he can bring the game to the Knicks. There have been people saying that we have a me first attitude about our guards. It's true and Zeke is very correct in saying that the guards have got to get that ball into the middle so that Curry can do some damage. And I do remember when Shaq came into the league. He was sort of a big softy at first and then he used his strength and toughness to dominate. I think Curry can do that, he's only 23 years old and still learning. I would love to give it to the bulls, the next times we meet them.
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10/26/2006  11:50 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:



Is there anything wrong with Curry that a new sneaker or his own TV show can't fix?



I take it that you call yourself a 'Knicks fan'?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/27/2006  5:12 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by joec32033:

Unlike you I can admit it was a two-sided problem.

Taylor:
He's a scrub....does it matter?

I never said that it was ALL LB's fault. I only pointed out that there was a difference in what Isiah did vs. what LB did. Isiah took it upon himself to speak directly with Curry and the media saw it and asked him about it. LB waited how long before he finally spoke briefly with Steph to break the ice. This isn't to excuse Steph for his part, but to clearly show the distinction between how he chose to handle player relations and how Isiah does things. The player doesn't know the coach has a problem with what he's done unless the coach SAYS something to him. But to then READ that he said something insulting about how you played and that coach NEVER said anything to you about it directly is inexcusable.

And I pointed out in at least 1 case you mentioned LB + several teammates talked to Ariza. Steph and LB had several reported sit downs before everything went south, and Mo Taylor didn't matter. He got hurt, lost his spot and got pissed.

So according to you LB didn't PRIMARILY, bash and communicate his points to his players thru the media! Then go long stretches where he didn't speak directly with the players about his displeasure with them? The fact that he did do this, particularly with Steph, is well documented. In fact the idea that LB is a horrible communicator with his players, is well documented. There's no need to go into each instance again, but I think you KNOW that was a HUGE problem with LB.


[Edited by - nixluva on 10-26-2006 07:15 AM]

You said that LB never talked to these 3 players in particular. I showed you proof that in one instance he did. In another the player didn't want to speak to him (or wasn't going to go out of his way to speak to him). And the other was a scrub who lost his position and ended up praising LB when he signed in Sacramento.

I never said that LB would win any communication awards. LB communicated every day with his players in practice about his expectations. You said he never communicated with his players. I said he did. If nothing else, the majority of players seem to think he communicated too much because according to them he was asking them to do so many different things, they got o confused they got headaches.
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10/27/2006  5:18 AM
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And I pointed out in at least 1 case you mentioned LB + several teammates talked to Ariza. Steph and LB had several reported sit downs before everything went south, and Mo Taylor didn't matter. He got hurt, lost his spot and got pissed.

You got it wrong Joe. My understanding that the 5 guys reference you underlined were assistant coaches. So LB did not speak to him directly. Even if it was players (And what would they be doing telling Ariza about his playing time?) THAT STILL IS NOT lb.

And the "He heard something pretty specific from me before the game..." quote does not describe a "meeting" to me. What did LB say to him specifically? Something like: "You're delusional!", "I'm not speaking to you!", "You're not playing anymore boy!".

LB treated everbody horsesh!t. Period.

oohah

Exactly how do you get that about the 5 guys being assistants? There is no inference who the other 5 guys are. Different interpretations don't make people wrong...because they are just interpretations. Once you give me concrete fact that they were assistants, you can call me wrong, but until then, don't.
Either way my point does still stand. LB is pretty clear that he did talk to Ariza about what was expected, at the very least once.

If you are implying that these players now need one-on-one meetings with the coach to constantly help them, then we have bigger problems than I thought.

Constantly blaming the coach(no matter how much you hate him) does not make the players responsibilities as professionals and as players magically disappear.
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10/27/2006  7:02 AM
Exactly how do you get that about the 5 guys being assistants? There is no inference who the other 5 guys are. Different interpretations don't make people wrong...because they are just interpretations. Once you give me concrete fact that they were assistants, you can call me wrong, but until then, don't.

Well, then there is no problem then, because I clearly remember Brown being quoted in the papers as saying that he had his assistant coaches talk to Ariza. I cannot look for the article at this moment, but I will when I get a chance.

If you have concrete facts that Brown had players talk to Ariza, I'd sure like to see them. In any case we are not talking about interpretations, we are talking logical conclusions. To think that LB had 5 players go speak to Ariza makes no sense whatsoever.
If you are implying that these players now need one-on-one meetings with the coach to constantly help them, then we have bigger problems than I thought.

We're not talking about constituents looking to get one-on-one meetings with their local congressman, we are talking about a player on a 14 man team wanting to talk to his coach. A player should be able to have a meeting with his coach anytime. No wonder Brown always loses his players, he wants to act like he is a rock star and the players are his fans begging for autographs. A coach should at least try to have a relationship with his players, not keep them at arm's length, or put his foot on their neck. That is not a healthy relationship.
Constantly blaming the coach(no matter how much you hate him) does not make the players responsibilities as professionals and as players magically disappear.

I am not sure what you mean by 'constantly blaming'. I put the lion's share of the blame for last year's fiasco on LB. Since it is in the past, it is not going to change, so I guess that would be a constant. There isn't going to be a new reason next time I talk about it.

Players are professionals but they are human beings as well. A good case study of this would be the breakdown of the Lakers team that lost to Detroit. Would you question their professionalism? Of Kobe, Shaq, the Mailman and Payton? George, Fisher, and the rest?

I wouldn't call them unprofessional, and they fell apart because of mistrust in each other and the coach. Athletes are human beings and their psyche and morale can be hurt and that will show itself on the court. Sports is not antiseptic. It relies heavily on emotion, especially basketball.

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10/27/2006  2:58 PM
Posted by oohah:
Exactly how do you get that about the 5 guys being assistants? There is no inference who the other 5 guys are. Different interpretations don't make people wrong...because they are just interpretations. Once you give me concrete fact that they were assistants, you can call me wrong, but until then, don't.

Well, then there is no problem then, because I clearly remember Brown being quoted in the papers as saying that he had his assistant coaches talk to Ariza. I cannot look for the article at this moment, but I will when I get a chance.

If you have concrete facts that Brown had players talk to Ariza, I'd sure like to see them. In any case we are not talking about interpretations, we are talking logical conclusions. To think that LB had 5 players go speak to Ariza makes no sense whatsoever.

I never said his assitants didn't talk to him. The point remains that LB stated hat he did talk to him. If you are gonna take Larry's word that his assitants talked to him also, then fine. Then take Larry's word that he taled to him also. I don't see what you are trying to get at here. Larry says he didn't talk to hi m you believe it, Larry says he did talk to him you don't?

If you are implying that these players now need one-on-one meetings with the coach to constantly help them, then we have bigger problems than I thought.

We're not talking about constituents looking to get one-on-one meetings with their local congressman, we are talking about a player on a 14 man team wanting to talk to his coach. A player should be able to have a meeting with his coach anytime. No wonder Brown always loses his players, he wants to act like he is a rock star and the players are his fans begging for autographs. A coach should at least try to have a relationship with his players, not keep them at arm's length, or put his foot on their neck. That is not a healthy relationship.

No we aren't You are talking about what constitutes a one on one meeting. Larry talkked to him, told him what he wanted. End of story. If you are my employee, and I tell you point blank that I want my letterhead white, then you make it yellow. Then I have my 5 assitants tell you at different times that I want white, and you still print my letterhead on yellow, bottom line-you are not smart enough to work for me and I don't want to talk about it. You simply can't do the job.(not a dig at you, just a hypothetical situation)
Constantly blaming the coach(no matter how much you hate him) does not make the players responsibilities as professionals and as players magically disappear.

I am not sure what you mean by 'constantly blaming'. I put the lion's share of the blame for last year's fiasco on LB. Since it is in the past, it is not going to change, so I guess that would be a constant. There isn't going to be a new reason next time I talk about it.

Players are professionals but they are human beings as well. A good case study of this would be the breakdown of the Lakers team that lost to Detroit. Would you question their professionalism? Of Kobe, Shaq, the Mailman and Payton? George, Fisher, and the rest?

I wouldn't call them unprofessional, and they fell apart because of mistrust in each other and the coach. Athletes are human beings and their psyche and morale can be hurt and that will show itself on the court. Sports is not antiseptic. It relies heavily on emotion, especially basketball.

oohah
The players fell apart because they were not professional as an entire team from the top down. Blame falls on Larry and on the players. You can not simply blame one without the other.
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10/27/2006  3:52 PM
No we aren't You are talking about what constitutes a one on one meeting. Larry talkked to him, told him what he wanted. End of story. If you are my employee, and I tell you point blank that I want my letterhead white, then you make it yellow. Then I have my 5 assitants tell you at different times that I want white, and you still print my letterhead on yellow, bottom line-you are not smart enough to work for me and I don't want to talk about it. You simply can't do the job.(not a dig at you, just a hypothetical situation)

If he printed on yellow I'd have to blame you for not motivating him properly. Without the proper motivation how can you expect any employee to print on white?????
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No we aren't You are talking about what constitutes a one on one meeting. Larry talkked to him, told him what he wanted. End of story. If you are my employee, and I tell you point blank that I want my letterhead white, then you make it yellow. Then I have my 5 assitants tell you at different times that I want white, and you still print my letterhead on yellow, bottom line-you are not smart enough to work for me and I don't want to talk about it. You simply can't do the job.(not a dig at you, just a hypothetical situation)

If he printed on yellow I'd have to blame you for not motivating him properly. Without the proper motivation how can you expect any employee to print on white?????


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No we aren't You are talking about what constitutes a one on one meeting. Larry talkked to him, told him what he wanted. End of story. If you are my employee, and I tell you point blank that I want my letterhead white, then you make it yellow. Then I have my 5 assitants tell you at different times that I want white, and you still print my letterhead on yellow, bottom line-you are not smart enough to work for me and I don't want to talk about it. You simply can't do the job.(not a dig at you, just a hypothetical situation)

If he printed on yellow I'd have to blame you for not motivating him properly. Without the proper motivation how can you expect any employee to print on white?????


why's it always gotta be racial with you Bip? damn!

Which reminds me I have to renew my Klan membership card ........It's a joke. I'm black and I despise the Klan. And I love my asian peeples as well. I married one. So please don't ban me from the site.
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Posted by TMS:
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No we aren't You are talking about what constitutes a one on one meeting. Larry talkked to him, told him what he wanted. End of story. If you are my employee, and I tell you point blank that I want my letterhead white, then you make it yellow. Then I have my 5 assitants tell you at different times that I want white, and you still print my letterhead on yellow, bottom line-you are not smart enough to work for me and I don't want to talk about it. You simply can't do the job.(not a dig at you, just a hypothetical situation)

If he printed on yellow I'd have to blame you for not motivating him properly. Without the proper motivation how can you expect any employee to print on white?????


why's it always gotta be racial with you Bip? damn!

Which reminds me I have to renew my Klan membership card ........It's a joke. I'm black and I despise the Klan. And I love my asian peeples as well. I married one. So please don't ban me from the site.

I'm an eskimo and you didn't apologize for your hatred towards eskimos.

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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:
No we aren't You are talking about what constitutes a one on one meeting. Larry talkked to him, told him what he wanted. End of story. If you are my employee, and I tell you point blank that I want my letterhead white, then you make it yellow. Then I have my 5 assitants tell you at different times that I want white, and you still print my letterhead on yellow, bottom line-you are not smart enough to work for me and I don't want to talk about it. You simply can't do the job.(not a dig at you, just a hypothetical situation)

If he printed on yellow I'd have to blame you for not motivating him properly. Without the proper motivation how can you expect any employee to print on white?????


why's it always gotta be racial with you Bip? damn!

Which reminds me I have to renew my Klan membership card ........It's a joke. I'm black and I despise the Klan. And I love my asian peeples as well. I married one. So please don't ban me from the site.

I'm an eskimo and you didn't apologize for your hatred towards eskimos.


Can't say anything nowadays without offending someone. Here I am talking about letterhead and the result is TMS and NYK4ever calling the ACLU on me.
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