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10/23/2006  4:04 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

yeah, eddy and frye are untouchable until we can see what we have as a team.

year two, let's see how it unfolds, but staying with the topic, they are both untouchable.

Any player under 27 is untouchable IMHO.

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do you really think that there is a serious trade out there that makes us an contender this year?
If not, then why give up our future?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-23-2006 4:02 PM]

i'd trade any one of our young guys other than D Lee if there's a trade out there that brings in other young guys who complement the ideal that i want this team to have going forward, & that's guys who know how to play some defense & play good, fundamental team style basketball.

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10/23/2006  4:13 PM
i counter that with Nate, QRich, MRose and Jefferies (jj2).

you can't have an entire team that plays defense...can you?
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10/23/2006  4:20 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

yeah, eddy and frye are untouchable until we can see what we have as a team.

year two, let's see how it unfolds, but staying with the topic, they are both untouchable.

Any player under 27 is untouchable IMHO.

Edit:
do you really think that there is a serious trade out there that makes us an contender this year?
If not, then why give up our future?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-23-2006 4:02 PM]
your not. Its not enough to just get good young talent. You have to get good young talent that fits.

Lets face it.. we are build around 2 centers and 4 point guards. Sprinkle in 3 tweener forwards and you have the Knicks.

I have a major concern, and its that playing Eddie and Frye together for extended minutes is more likely to expose them then boost their #'s

I have no doubt that after 20 games its going to be painfully clear we have several combos of players that just dont fit, namely Franbury and Curry/Frye. Curry and Frye are both coming off solid seasons and have the built in LB excuse. Both are good commodities IMO.

We are a 23 win team and with Franbury as our established "stars." We dont have NBA stars here. Good players maybe, but no stars. Whats worse is we dont have any kind of plan/roadmap in place.

If drafting and overpaying for decent players is the best you can do in 3 years and a half a billion dollars later the least you could do is get players that fit together.
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10/23/2006  4:21 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

i counter that with Nate, QRich, MRose and Jefferies (jj2).

you can't have an entire team that plays defense...can you?
not unless you want to win something. Contrary to the belief of yourself and certain members here there are players in the league that score, rebound AND play defense. Crazy but true

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10/23/2006  4:29 PM
but I see 3 front court bigs. 2 wing defenders and 4 back court guards.

They feel like the pistons that won back to back...is lambier any better than lee, frye or curry? How about mahorn and ... I don't remember ...

I just feel that frye and eddy can be used in the manner you prescribe if one of two things happen:
A) Eddy learns to not dip his shoulder and that he's stronger than every other center (except shaq) and can go out like grand momma.
B) Frye learns to block shots and battle for rebounds.

Both of which are happening before our eyes...so, I say that's our front court of the future.

Lee is the 3rd wheel to that car and he will be there when the other two bigs falter.

You say tweener, I say QRich, JJ2 and Balkman. Defensive wing players. Isn't that what we wanted?

OK, the back court is madness now, only because we have two marbury's and two chuck and duckers.

But Summer League and preseason is showing me that Nate is a couple years' away from being a starting PG or SG, and crawford is a half season away from running the point full time.

Marbury is marbury, he'll still get us what he gets us, but he's really not part of our future beyond his contract (atleast, I don't think so).

So, 2 years from now we have Frye (blocking shots, getting rebounds) and Curry (boxing out, dominating the post) and JJ2 (covering everyone) and QRich (back at his natural 2 guard position) and Crawford running the point.

Bench is Lee, Marbury and balkman.

not too shabby.

The year after marbury, we'll have that kid from uconn briggs covets and marbury will be the expiring contract we send to brooklyn.

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10/23/2006  4:30 PM
who? and how many of them are there? I'd say 5 or 6. (that do them better than what we have already in balkman, jj2 and qrich and nate)
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Posted by rvhoss:

i counter that with Nate, QRich, MRose and Jefferies (jj2).

you can't have an entire team that plays defense...can you?
not unless you want to win something. Contrary to the belief of yourself and certain members here there are players in the league that score, rebound AND play defense. Crazy but true

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10/23/2006  4:37 PM
LOL... we are SOOOO going to the 2nd round this year.

rvhose, you forget to add Jerome. He does EVERYTHING.. which leaves like one other guy in the NBA
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10/23/2006  4:44 PM
hey, it's possible fissmike...no less probable than any other scenario:
1. the bulls are going to win it all now that they have a shot blocker that can't score or hit free throws.
2. Orlando is the sleeper team to beat in the east, they have a promising big and a young back court and reezy at the 3.
3. toronto, because they aren't the knicks.

or the fish plan of trading curry and/or frye for fortson and fodder, then we are championship contenders big time...

I mean, come on man...don't hate just to hate...think about your posts and realize they are simply coming from a direction of not thinking the knicks will win more games than last year.

Then it all starts to make sense.

Last year was a mirage. sorry to burst your bubble.

the roster is not that bad. It's actually far better and will win the games we should have won last year and get us into the playoffs (barring some injury disaster)

This same team won 38 games before Larry and added JJ2, Qrich, Nate, Lee, Frye and a system that fits their skills.

So, we are sooooo going to the playoffs this year.

if not us, who?

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10/23/2006  4:52 PM
last year was a mirage
so was the year before that
and the year before that

yes, I said trade for Fortson... lol. Of course thats when we had Houston, Spree and the best rebounder on our team was Spoon. Good one though.

rv, I'm sure we will go deep into the playoffs this year. I have no doubt. I mean we have most of the few guys in the NBA that play d, score and rebound, we have an all star backcourt and if not us, then who? The French?

Cant argue with any of this...
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10/23/2006  4:54 PM
You're talking crazy if you think we will go deep in the playoffs this year.

We'll go as far as chicago went last year...tops.

Shaq is on top of his game and Detroit is not taking any crap.

that alone keeps us no further than the second round.

is that what you mean by deep?
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10/23/2006  5:04 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

i counter that with Nate, QRich, MRose and Jefferies (jj2).

you can't have an entire team that plays defense...can you?

put a team full of defensive minded players that play their roles & don't complain about touches or minutes around 2 guys that are the exact anti-thesis in Marbury & Francis & i think you can get away w/playing both of them on the same team... look at the '01 Sixers team when they went to the finals... they had a team full of defensive minded role players around AI w/Hill, McKie, Snow, Lynch, Bell, Mutombo & Geiger (albeit Mutombo was 1 of the best defensive C's of alltime & AI's a much better player than either Marbs or Francis)... i'm not saying you'd have a championship winning team by going that route, but you'd at least free up those 2 to do what they do best & that's to score w/o having to worry about playing defense on every possession.
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10/23/2006  5:16 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by rvhoss:

i counter that with Nate, QRich, MRose and Jefferies (jj2).

you can't have an entire team that plays defense...can you?

put a team full of defensive minded players that play their roles & don't complain about touches or minutes around 2 guys that are the exact anti-thesis in Marbury & Francis & i think you can get away w/playing both of them on the same team... look at the '01 Sixers team when they went to the finals... they had a team full of defensive minded role players around AI w/Hill, McKie, Snow, Lynch, Bell, Mutombo & Geiger (albeit Mutombo was 1 of the best defensive C's of alltime & AI's a much better player than either Marbs or Francis)... i'm not saying you'd have a championship winning team by going that route, but you'd at least free up those 2 to do what they do best & that's to score w/o having to worry about playing defense on every possession.

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10/23/2006  5:17 PM
I'm skeptical on the francis marbury back court...I'll say that much, but the front court is money.

I prefer to seem more of QRich (the one from before LB and this preseason) and Crawfish rotated in with marbury.
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10/23/2006  5:17 PM
My question is if Marbury is not in our future why are we worried about him playing his game? Why center the offense around 2 guards that won't be here in the future. Shouldn't Fry and Curry be the focal point?
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10/23/2006  5:54 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

My question is if Marbury is not in our future why are we worried about him playing his game? Why center the offense around 2 guards that won't be here in the future. Shouldn't Fry and Curry be the focal point?


yeah, in an ideal world sure... i just don't believe Marbury will ever be traded as long as Isiah is GM/coaching this team... & everything Isiah's been saying pretty much tells me that he's dead set on making that tandem work as our backcourt... right now not many teams out there will give up anything of value for either one of them at this point anyway... we're pretty much stuck w/both of them at this point, so mine as well build up a nice defensive team around him while we can... you can fit in just about any player in the league if you have a team full of good, fundamental defensive minded players.

for example, after the trade i posted earlier, you have

C - Curry / Big Hemorrhoid
PF - Boozer / Lee
SF - Jared / Q Rich / Balkman
SG - Francis / Brewer
PG - Marbury / Nate / Jay Will
IA - Collins / Jalen / Skita

take both Francis & Marbury out of that rotation in a few years & you still have a good, young team that's ready to contend in the Eastern Conference... just have to add a solid veteran PG who knows how to orchestrate via the MLE (like a Brevin Knight type player) & you can start Q Rich or Brewer at SG... then use the draft picks u have to get an athletic shotblocker to back up Curry at C, & you have a nice team to go into the future with:

C - Curry / rookie shotblocker / Big Hematoma
PF - Boozer / Lee
SF - Jared / Balkman
SG - Q Rich / Brewer
PG - veteran PG / Nate / Collins or Jay Will

i bet u that team right there would win more games than the one we currently have & have a legitimate chance at advancing past the 1st round after a full season of playing together.
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