Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by holfresh:

Piston is losing by 20+ tot he Nuggets...Billups has 1 pts, Rip has 8 pts, Weed has 4 and Prince has 12...Aren't these guys taking this seriously...Don't they know its preseason and they need to work on their games..Afterall they didn't win it all last year...

Maybe Flip should tweek his lineup...



[Edited by - holfresh on 10-22-2006 8:14 PM]

Oh my let me show you how you failed at this miserable attempt. From that game only 1 of Det's starters played as many minutes as Denver's starters. Billups played 21min and Hamilton played 15min. Not really a whole lot of time to have any impact on the game. Rasheed played a whopping 8min. It was a 9pt defecit at the end of the 1rst qrt nothing to panic over. Then it turned into a 15pt defecit, still no game is over at the half. Oh and by the end of the game a 15pt defecit ended up being a 19pt loss. Unlike in the Knicks game yesterday a 15pt haltime defecit became a 30pt 3rd qrt defecit. The starters for the Knicks played almost 30min a piece along with their 6th man.

Once again Preseason means nothing in regards to wins and losses IMO but it does have meaning in terms of effort and execution of the system on both ends of the court.

The fact that you need to rehash the Detroit game means you still don't get it...My point is that it's meaningless and you have more to lose than to gain should an injury occur in these meaningless games..I bought up Detroit to illustrate their approach where their coaches aren't even concerned with losing big even as their vets don't play or contribute very little to the game...

I know you said you saw the game but seems like you need some help with some facts...The lead was 27 pts at half time, not 15...In the third quarter the Knicks were outscored 32-29...Wins and losses aren't important until they get blownout..At that point, you are ready to panic and call for a lineup change even if that lineup gave you 3 victories in the last 4 games...Amazing...

So let me get this straight, some of you are actually concerned about the lack of effort in this game? WHY do you think that this team is going to actually play like that during the season? COME ON! For one thing the team hasn't shown any sign of that until this game.
I wouldn't expect this team to try and mount some heroic comeback once the game got out of hand. With Isiah trying to see what he had in his scrubs this is HARDLY the game to use as some kind of referendum on the state of the Knicks. If you do want to weigh it in and make a judgement, its 3 solid effort games to 1 and I don't think you'd really have a case against the Knicks with that kind of evidence.

Anyone trying to make something of this one stinker is seriously making too much of it. At least wait until the team plays a few games poorly before trying to make something out of it.

Shocking lack of hustle on the Knicks parts. Very disappointing

Nixluva, read what you're saying. This is pro basketball, I don't care if it's pre season, you give it your all when you're on the court. There was a clear lack of effort all of last season. How about this is something habitual and it doesn't matter who the hell the coach is. Bad defensive players don't automatically become good, if they get a defensive minded coach, nor become hustle players if they get a hustle emphasizing coach, nor become team players if they get a team first emphasizing coach. They are the players they are, and the only people who can change that is themselves. Not Isiah, not LB, not the fans.

Isiah gone by Christmas.

Posted by Rich:

There is almost no chance that Isiah will be fired in season for basketball reasons.

Yeah, Dolan is way too rational to do that.

Actually Dolan's M.O. suggests that he'll sign Isiah to a big extension and then fire him soon afterwards.

The guys that are saying that the preseason is important becuase you need to find out information about your team, are the same guys saying that this is only one preseason game and its hard for the guys to get up for it. Which one is it?

There are some similarities in terms of the poor aspects of the game. Defense and Turnovers. I think it has to be looked at in proper perspective tho. This team is working out the kinks in a new style of play and with the pace that they've been playing, all the numbers are going to be higher. More points scored, more points allowed, more rebounds and more turnovers.

We also have to realize that these players aren't playing as hard as they possibly can every minue of the preseason. That's just not being realistic. I'm sure a few are giving a full effort, but there are bound to be some periods of time where they're not going full tilt. With preseason, you have to jjust look for signs within the games. We can't take everything as literal proof that they'll be just like this in the regular season. Good or bad, it's still preseason.

Isiah even said that he's not showing everything in preseason, since teams are scouting what they're doing. They're also trying some different things to see how it works. Most teams probably take that approach in preseason.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by nixluva:

There are some similarities in terms of the poor aspects of the game. Defense and Turnovers. I think it has to be looked at in proper perspective tho. This team is working out the kinks in a new style of play and with the pace that they've been playing, all the numbers are going to be higher. More points scored, more points allowed, more rebounds and more turnovers.

We also have to realize that these players aren't playing as hard as they possibly can every minue of the preseason. That's just not being realistic. I'm sure a few are giving a full effort, but there are bound to be some periods of time where they're not going full tilt. With preseason, you have to jjust look for signs within the games. We can't take everything as literal proof that they'll be just like this in the regular season. Good or bad, it's still preseason.

Isiah even said that he's not showing everything in preseason, since teams are scouting what they're doing. They're also trying some different things to see how it works. Most teams probably take that approach in preseason.

You can give all the effort you want and you still might not be a good defensive player. See Channing Frye.

But if players are uninspired to play last season, and now uninspired to play this pre season, what makes you think they'll be inspired to play this coming season, and please don't say Isiah Thomas.

Exactly look at teams like Orlando, Toronto, ATL, GSW, and Houston who do not appear to be approaching these games with a laxed attitude. These were all teams who had subpar to disappointing season last yr. And don't fire back with "well the Knicks are 3-1", because those 1rst 3gms have ? marks written all over them. If they allow the Sixers tomorrow to score 30pts in the 1rst qrt and over a 100pts for the game then expect nothing but bad things from this team the rest of the season.

Question #2: How can Isiah truly evaluate the team and it's strengths and weaknesses if our playres are going half asse?

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bippity10:

So I don't jump the gun and become a Net fan with my horrible questions. Can someone clarify for me, when is it okay for me to expect the players to play hard?

when it's a contract year, but only during regular season IF there is a shot at the playoffs and when the coach is NICE. The rotations have to be CLEAR and we can only be down by 10 or less. Second half of ack-to-back games don't count.

Specific enough?

What if said player has a hang nail?

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bippity10:

So I don't jump the gun and become a Net fan with my horrible questions. Can someone clarify for me, when is it okay for me to expect the players to play hard?

when it's a contract year, but only during regular season IF there is a shot at the playoffs and when the coach is NICE. The rotations have to be CLEAR and we can only be down by 10 or less. Second half of ack-to-back games don't count.

Specific enough?

Thanks for the clarification. I will wait for such a moment.