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islesfan
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10/21/2006  5:28 PM
What skills does Balkman have besides hustle? He can't shoot. He'll get exposed on the boards come the regular season because he's too slight of build. He's not a great passer. He can dribble a lot better than Ariza (although most of us can say that) but do you really want him bringing the ball up all the time?

He hustles and he'll get to loose balls and will get some easy baskets, like Ariza, but to expect more than that is a little much for someone that didn't even start full time as a senior in college last year.

Mardy Collins should name his first child after Isiah for giving him 3 guaranteed years as a first round pick. He's useless. Howard Eisley could make him look stupid.
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10/21/2006  5:32 PM
islesfan, you speak the non-biased truth
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10/21/2006  8:22 PM
Balkman can play defense, run, dribble, rebound, pass, and finish.

Almost every player puts on muscle weight as they age. Look at what Frye has done to his body from last year to this year.

The only open question is whether or not Balkman can improve his shot.
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10/21/2006  8:55 PM
Rich, what kept Balkman from going #1


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10/21/2006  9:17 PM
What caused 21 GMs to pass on Marcus Williams?

Where a player is picked is not necessarily a true indication of his talent.

It's about a GM's conviction about talent assessment, character,, and value. There doesn't appear to be a way to defend Isiah's decision to draft him at #20 on the last criterion, but that doesn't mean that Balkman can't turn out to be a pretty good player.
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10/21/2006  9:56 PM
Marcus got passed up because many Gm's view him as a headcase. The Nets decided to take a chance on the kid. If Williams did not get into trouble he could have been a top 5 draft pick.

[Edited by - BigC on 10-22-2006 11:25 AM]
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10/21/2006  11:43 PM
Lots of head cases have been drafted in the top ten.
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10/21/2006  11:53 PM
Lots of guys with questionable character have dropped. I like Balkman but there is a reason that every draft expert said that he would definitely be on the board at 29 and probably well into the second round. I think Isiah found a great talent for that pick but he was so focused in on getting him that he ignored the talent on the board. Williams is a phenomenal ball player who made some mistakes and was not in the shape that some scouts felt he should be in. That being said he did nothing to indicate that he is a lifelong criminal or that he would have weight problems that hinder his career. Isiah messed up. If your argument is who is better and has more upside it will always be Williams. He was a top 5 talent who fell into Isiah's lap. I sometimes think Isiah gets too hung up on showing everyone what a great judge of talent he is.
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10/22/2006  12:11 AM
I think Rich got it right. Just because Balkman flew below other teams' radars doesn't mean he wasn't deserving of his draft #. The Knicks saw what they wanted and didn't want to pass him up.

Based on what we've seen in the preseason, Balkman looks like one of the top 10-15 players in this year's rookie class. He also looks more NBA rea dy than many of last year's first rounders. He looks more ready than former lottery pick Skita.

It's tough to say what Balkman's upside will be--- but it'll be very dependent on the type of playing time he gets during his career. Until he gets some serious real game playing time, there's no telling what he'll be capable of.

With Jeffries on board and locked in for 5 years, it'll be interesting to see what kind of niche he can find on this team.
Posted by Rich:

What caused 21 GMs to pass on Marcus Williams?

Where a player is picked is not necessarily a true indication of his talent.

It's about a GM's conviction about talent assessment, character,, and value. There doesn't appear to be a way to defend Isiah's decision to draft him at #20 on the last criterion, but that doesn't mean that Balkman can't turn out to be a pretty good player.

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10/22/2006  12:24 AM
Most of us will agree that Balkman is worth the 20th pick in the first round. Most will also agree that he's not as talented as Marcus Williams. In addition, most will agree that Williams fell because of character questions. So the area of dispute is whether we should have drafted a more talented player with character questions over a talented player (but less talented) with no character issues.

Time will tell.
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10/22/2006  11:07 AM
I do not think balkman would have been on the board at 29. And stop this madness that we can just go out and buy picks from teams because it's been done.

Personalities play a HUGE role on whether a team will just sell their pick to another team.

So, all things being equal, balkman was going to be drafted by the suns.

Believe dat!
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Posted by rvhoss:

I do not think balkman would have been on the board at 29. And stop this madness that we can just go out and buy picks from teams because it's been done.

Personalities play a HUGE role on whether a team will just sell their pick to another team.

So, all things being equal, balkman was going to be drafted by the suns.

Believe dat!


The only "evidence" that Balkman would have been drafted by the Suns is Isiah said so. Isiahs himself has admitted he will lie. The Suns completelty denied this.
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10/22/2006  11:22 AM
Balkman wasn't even rated a second round pick on most mock drafts. If you watched the draft you saw how shocked the hosts were and the crowd. Even Balkman was shocked. He appears to be worthy of the number that he was drafted but he definitely was not on the radar of most teams. In my opinion he would have been available at 29.
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10/22/2006  11:27 AM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

You're right Rich

List of impact players in a few years:
Lebron
Wade
Carmelo
Balkman
Bosh
No one else wants to say it; so I guess I will. Carmelo definitely does not belong in that group!

If we are going to put Bosh in that category why not Carmelo?

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10/22/2006  11:36 AM
I trust a member of the knick organization more than a member of the sun organization.

I find it hard to believe Isiah was the only person privy of Balkman's ability.

If so, then he is even better at talent evaluations than I thought.

If anything, he gets a quick return on his assessments. Reezy seemed like the second coming of dunkaliscious


I love these btw, if we had this current offense and Reezy, we'd be ON FIRE!!

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by rvhoss:

I do not think balkman would have been on the board at 29. And stop this madness that we can just go out and buy picks from teams because it's been done.

Personalities play a HUGE role on whether a team will just sell their pick to another team.

So, all things being equal, balkman was going to be drafted by the suns.

Believe dat!


The only "evidence" that Balkman would have been drafted by the Suns is Isiah said so. Isiahs himself has admitted he will lie. The Suns completelty denied this.

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10/22/2006  11:37 AM
Playa hatin...pure playa hatin.



[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-22-2006 11:38 AM]
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10/22/2006  12:05 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Playa hatin...pure playa hatin.



[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-22-2006 11:38 AM]



Don't tell me you wouldn't hate on this player.
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[Edited by - BigC on 10-22-2006 12:06 PM]
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10/22/2006  12:06 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

You're right Rich

List of impact players in a few years:
Lebron
Wade
Carmelo
Balkman
Bosh
No one else wants to say it; so I guess I will. Carmelo definitely does not belong in that group!

If we are going to put Bosh in that category why not Carmelo?

I was joking. (That's why I put the smiley face.) Balkman's obviously the one who doesn't belong in that group.
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10/22/2006  12:08 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

You're right Rich

List of impact players in a few years:
Lebron
Wade
Carmelo
Balkman
Bosh
No one else wants to say it; so I guess I will. Carmelo definitely does not belong in that group!

If we are going to put Bosh in that category why not Carmelo?

I was joking. (That's why I put the smiley face.) Balkman's obviously the one who doesn't belong in that group.
I know I figure that out when you left Balkman on the list. Unlike you I forgot my smiley face.



[Edited by - BigC on 10-22-2006 12:08 PM]
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

You're right Rich

List of impact players in a few years:
Lebron
Wade
Carmelo
Balkman
Bosh
No one else wants to say it; so I guess I will. Carmelo definitely does not belong in that group!

If we are going to put Bosh in that category why not Carmelo?

I was joking. (That's why I put the smiley face.) Balkman's obviously the one who doesn't belong in that group.
I know I figure that out when you left Balkman on the list. Unlike you I forgot my smiley face.



[Edited by - BigC on 10-22-2006 12:08 PM]
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