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joec32033
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10/18/2006  7:11 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

The problem is none of our guards can guard the PG position.

None of our PG's can actually PLAY the PG position.
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10/18/2006  9:46 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Just for arguments sake Isiah take 1 preseason game and start:
Curry
Lee
Qrich or Balkman
JCraw
Nate

Just try it and see how it goes in that 1 game.

And if Jeffries were around I'd like to see JC, Q, JJ2, Lee and Curry. I'm sure either would do fine. The question is if Marbury, Francis, and even Frye at this point, could handle it. And I don't mean handle it by saying the right thing to the press for one night in pre-season. I mean handle it if it appeared like an eventuality.

I think arkrud is right, the big names will have the honor of the start, but they'll be on a short leash and reserves will start coming in at around the 5-8 minute mark.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-18-2006 1:36 PM]

Starting guys based on their big names or salaries is an equation for losing games. When you have this Diava/Entitlement way of doing things expect 30 wins a year because it sends 100% the wrong message. You need to reward the guys that earn their minutes today not years ago. Frye could handle it just fine and he would often play better off the bench. Frye also might play his way back fast. You wnat guys playing hard to earn those spots. Not making some sort of glass ceiling that they never can break because so and so is Isiahs friends. Nepotism doesnt win games.


You do know you're preaching to the choir, right? I would have sat, fined, suspended and dumped some of these guys a long time ago.

But we're not talking about what Isiah should do but what we expect he will do.
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10/18/2006  10:11 PM
Craw's good and is doing the work to keep improving.
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10/18/2006  11:45 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

It's a "compared to what?" kind of thing. Do i love Crawford? No. Do I prefer him over Marbury, Francis and Nate? Yes.

he's still got a lot to learn but I think he's the best bridge between the young and the old and the frontcourt and the backcourt.

You got to admit, this man can definately 'cluth shoot' the ball. Game on the line, he's proving to hit the winners. Five times now, since last season. I think teams are going to start putting him on the line, to win it, if and when he gets a shot to do it next time.
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10/18/2006  11:54 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I agree 100%
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Crawford is the key guy on the team.

I still believe anybody that watched the games and still believes that Marbury is the one that doesn't belong, just doesn't like marbury, I think if anything, crawford should be starting when curry is out there and marbury should play more off the ball like he is now.

But to bench marbury is basically because you don't like him, because watching the games, he's fitting in perfectly.
Posted by izybx:

I thought Crawford looks good so far. He had 21 points last night despite missing some shots. I think hes the best offensive guard that we have on the team, and probably our best perimeter shooter. Granted, his shot selection needs to improve, but i think this is something that will improve as the season goes on. Id actually like to see cawford in the starting lineup with steph, with fran as the 6th man.
Curry/James
Fyre/Lee
Balkman/Q/JRose(jeffries/q/balk)
Crawford/Nate
Marbs/Francis

I don't like starbury, because he is a Star, with no evidence to prove that. With him, it's all the face of a brick, that is as thin as a paper when you turn it sideways, and he's got some people convinced that he is the star. The man has no chemistry with anyone. Craw and Nate should be eating up those minutes. I love it that the leader has to sit on the bench, knowing that he'll have to earn some respect!
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10/18/2006  11:58 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Guard play has been suspect. Nate and Q Rich have been the only thing worth talking about from the guard position. Marbury had decent games, Francis looks ok at times and then dumbfounded at others (too much pounding the ball). Crawford has, is and will always be a chucker. His shot selection is erractic. You have guys on this team that think they can out jump everyone. Curry gets his offensive fouls for trying to bang while Nate and Craw get theirs from thinking they are MJ and Iverson. So much for Crawford's education under Larry. This team still needs a Houston type of player that solid from the outside at the guard position. They don't have it. To be honest neither does most teams in the NBA.

I think it's fair to say, if you notice, Craw takes a high percentage of shots, fine, but the real thing about him is, he get's started in the second half and starts to bring it. I find that in a lot of his games.
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10/19/2006  7:03 AM
I have only seen Crawford hit one clutch shot that meant something...the 3 pointer off the backboard against Houston before last season. And that shot did not mean much.

When I see him light up the bulls in the playoffs or make a game winner Vs. Miami I will call him Mr. Clutch.

All his game winners last year when the season was over and this year in the pre-season only make him the Mr. Clutch of garbage time!

Marbury made that 3 to beat San Antonio in a playoff game a few years back. That puts him at least one real clutch shot ahead of Crawford.

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[Edited by - oohah on 19-10-2006 07:11 AM]
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10/19/2006  9:17 AM
i think u have to be IN the playoffs to have a chance to hit a clutch shot DURING the playoffs... Crawford's the best clutch shot maker this team has by far... it's not even close.
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10/19/2006  9:31 AM
Posted by TMS:

i think u have to be IN the playoffs to have a chance to hit a clutch shot DURING the playoffs... Crawford's the best clutch shot maker this team has by far... it's not even close.

I guess my main point is that you can't call someone clutch until they have produced in a clutch situation. Clutch implies that there is something on the line, playoffs or otherwise. Making a game winner for wins 22 and 23 are not a clutch situation.

There is a big difference between clutch shooting and making a few game winners.

Clutch is hitting BIG shots, when the pressure is on, and the game means something, not just game winners when the season is long over. Crawford has never been in this position and his inconsistency is part of the reason for that.

So if you want to say this team has no clutch shooters I would agree with that.

When JC hits some big shots in games that mean something, not necessarily a game winner, then I'll be ready to call him clutch.

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10/19/2006  9:33 AM
I would like to add that Steve Francis is way ahead of anyone on this team in making game winners, both with Houston and Orlando.

He must be clutch.

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10/19/2006  9:50 AM
Posted by oohah:

I have only seen Crawford hit one clutch shot that meant something...the 3 pointer off the backboard against Houston before last season. And that shot did not mean much.

When I see him light up the bulls in the playoffs or make a game winner Vs. Miami I will call him Mr. Clutch.

All his game winners last year when the season was over and this year in the pre-season only make him the Mr. Clutch of garbage time!

Marbury made that 3 to beat San Antonio in a playoff game a few years back. That puts him at least one real clutch shot ahead of Crawford.

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[Edited by - oohah on 19-10-2006 07:11 AM]

If someone made the same type of comment about Marbs I think they would be called a pessimist and a Net fan
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10/19/2006  9:52 AM
i've seen Francis be clutch for his teams in the past, i agree... as a Knick he hasn't been put into the position to be clutch for lack of playing time & opportunities, some of which is his own fault for not buying into the team concept enough or not executing the plays called from the bench correctly... hopefully he'll have a nice bounceback season this year... but i've seen Craw hit enough big shots down the stretch of games (not just game winners) for this team & for Chicago when he was playing there that tells me he's clearly our best clutch player... Marbury can learn a thing or 2 about not shrinking away from the big moment by looking at how Crawford plays in crunchtime.
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10/19/2006  10:23 AM
We won 23 games last year. I'm of the opinion we don't have any clutch players on our team. To me clutch encapsulates more than just hitting a shot in the final seconds. Clutch is a guy that stops rallies in the middle of the game as well. We had noone that did that. Clutch doesn't allow his man to hit a wide open 3 when you need a defensive stop. We were the king of giving up other teams clutch baskets. That being said if you were to ask me who gets the ball with the game on the line it has to be Craw over everyone else. At this moment in time there is no comparison. I have little or no faith in anyone else to hit that shot.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-19-2006 10:23 AM]
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10/19/2006  10:36 AM
i think that's overly general to discount the clutch factor on the amount of wins we had last season... if Reggie Miller were on the team last year would he be any less clutch because he was late to rotate over to his man & left him open to hit a wide open 3? he'd go right back & shoot a 3 in his man's face down the stretch... if the team lost that game does it disqualify any shots he made that night from being considered "clutch"? to me, the word "clutch" means standing up to pressure & delivering, whether that means making a big shot when your team needs it, or making a big defensive stop, or diving into the stands to save a big possession... that's all clutch... Craw is a great clutch shot maker & has been so since he was a Bull (i can remember more than a few occasions where he lit up the Knicks & Nets in crunchtime)... that's something no one else on this team has really excelled at of late... i think Balkman, Lee & Nate also have the stuff to become clutch players in their own right from what i've seen so far... they have that fearlessness that you can't teach.
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10/19/2006  10:42 AM
I don't think I discounted it on the amount of wins. I think I used a couple factors in my post. If you want to say he is good at game winning shots than fine. But clutch for me goes deeper than fourth quarter and last minute shots. The most clutch player I ever had never hit a game winning shot. He just always seemed to do something right when my team was going wrong. Other team was making a run, he hit the dagger. When our team had 4 turnovers in a row, he made sure we got a good shot the next trip. When we were falling apart he made the big play that picked us up. Last year whenever our team was falling apart every player on our team fell apart with them, including Craw.

I guess it just comes down to definitions. I think he is developing into a big shot taker but in my book will not be considered clutch until he does the above.
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10/19/2006  10:55 AM
i don't think Craw will ever grow into that heady defensive player that can make clutch plays off the ball... but i did see him hit plenty of shots when no one else on the team was doing anything w/the ball & keeping his team in the games down the stretch... that's what he excells at, making & hitting those big shots... he's not a clutch player in the sense of a Robert Horry or Chauncey Billups, who do other things besides just hitting big shots to help their teams win games down the stretch, but in his defense it's alot easier to be doing those types of things when your team isn't solely looking to you to make those big shots down the stretch either... i think it's easier to be considered clutch when you're playing on a good team... but Craw certainly has that assassin's mentality that he'll throw the dagger into the other team's heart when he has the ball in his hands & his team needs that big shot, much in the same way that Tim Hardaway was for the Heat all those years.

& just to address my earlier comment in reference to yours, i think those other young kids (Balkman, Lee & Nate) have those types of intangibles to make clutch plays off the ball... i have more confidence in those kids playing down the stretch late in games than i do most of the higher paid vets on this team.
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10/19/2006  11:22 AM
without crawford, knicks are in trouble. knicks DESPERASTELY need Craw to play at optimum levels,stay healthy and stay clear of the 3 point line as much as possible. carwford is the key knick he hits big shots he plays better D than Starbury and Francis, he has the highest scoring ability on the team plus he can playmake as a combo. He should set his personal goal as sixth man of the year---he can do it. If he has a big consistent year--the Knicks will be much improved.

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10/19/2006  11:23 AM
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10/19/2006  1:06 PM
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10/19/2006  1:17 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Crawford is the key guy on the team.

Ditto. He is the G I want on the court for the most minutes.
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