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10/16/2006  2:31 PM
We are still in the PRESEASON and if he still has more to do in terms of getting into better shape this is the time to do it. I'm not sure what the deal is with Curry whether it's just him not being a hard worker of if there's some physiological reason why he hasn't been able to improve his cardiovascular conditioning. I think that Isiah is doing tthe right thing by pushing him tho. As long as Curry REALLY WANTS to be pushed and he seems to, then that's all we can do.
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10/16/2006  2:42 PM
Noone disagrees with you. This is the time and it would be nice if he finally wants to be pushed.
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10/16/2006  2:57 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Noone disagrees with you. This is the time and it would be nice if he finally wants to be pushed.

Well Isiah has raved about him. His teammates have been impressed. lets give him a clean slate and see how it goes. He is a good kid who doesnt cause selfish drama so I'm on his side. I'm hoping for the best.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/16/2006  3:05 PM
I'm not giving him a clean slate.. yet. He's had one good preseason game and one poor preseason game. I wanna see him actually play most the 1st quarter like he says he'll be able too. If I see it then, he'll get a clean slate.
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10/16/2006  3:09 PM
Sugar, I've seen you defend and commend Eddy many times. I'm not out to challenge your reasons, per se, but I am curious to hear just what your motivations are and your expectations for him.

Are you basically defending the trade on principle with the hope that Eddy will grow into a "franchise player" (whatever that is) or do you feel he's already something that other's say he's not? And are you basing your feelings exclusively on what you saw here last year, or do you include the entirety of his career? Cause sometimes when when gets out from behind the tree's of these micro conversations and talks about the forest folks see they are more in agreement than might otherwise have been perceived.

So, please use this as an opportunity to show oohah your tushie, and tell us what you think Eddy is about. Where has he come from and where do you see him going?
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10/16/2006  3:10 PM
he's CURRENTLY better than anybody the bulls will get from the bodies we sent them. He will eventually make people forget what we gave up for him.
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10/16/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

he's CURRENTLY better than anybody the bulls will get from the bodies we sent them. He will eventually make people forget what we gave up for him.
When all is said I think you will be proven right. Its hard to agree with you now but I think you will be proven right.
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10/16/2006  3:17 PM
I think you have to EARN your clean slate. No one is giving up on the guy. If anything he was spared a lot last year from any backlash. Steph took most of it and he skated through unscathed. But he deserves to be criticized for not showing up in shape in the past and committing poor fouls. It happens so this is what people are asking him to change. So is Isiah!! Once he gets in shape and stops committing fouls he will stop being criticized for being out of shape and committing fouls.
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10/16/2006  3:18 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

He will eventually make people forget what we gave up for him.

I have a hard time believing this statement becuase the Knicks sent Tyrus Thomas for Curry and believe me, Tyrus Thomas isn't going anywhere, he's going to be around a long time.
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10/16/2006  3:31 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Sugar, I've seen you defend and commend Eddy many times. I'm not out to challenge your reasons, per se, but I am curious to hear just what your motivations are and your expectations for him.

Are you basically defending the trade on principle with the hope that Eddy will grow into a "franchise player" (whatever that is) or do you feel he's already something that other's say he's not? And are you basing your feelings exclusively on what you saw here last year, or do you include the entirety of his career? Cause sometimes when when gets out from behind the tree's of these micro conversations and talks about the forest folks see they are more in agreement than might otherwise have been perceived.

So, please use this as an opportunity to show oohah your tushie, and tell us what you think Eddy is about. Where has he come from and where do you see him going?

Whether the trade was good or bad isnt a reflection on Curry. Curry didnt make the trade. Isiah made the trade. Why should Curry get bashed for what Isiah traded for him? How is that fair to Curry?
I like having a real center. I was tired of having Sweets and KT play center for us. I like having a big man that is doubled as much as any Center in the league. I like having a Center that plays power basketball, leads the league in points per shot and shoots around 56%.
Does Curry have to improve? Yes.
Do I think he can improve at age 23? Yes
Does Curry have to get in better shape? Yes
Does it look like he is at least taking some steps to get there? Yes
Do I think Curry is going to be a top 10 franchise player? No
How often do "franchise" centers get traded at age 23?
Do I think Curry can be a 17-8 player? Yes
Is a 17-8 Center an asset in todays NBA? Yes

Did I answer your questions? If not be more specific and I will try again. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/16/2006  3:32 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think you have to EARN your clean slate. No one is giving up on the guy. If anything he was spared a lot last year from any backlash. Steph took most of it and he skated through unscathed. But he deserves to be criticized for not showing up in shape in the past and committing poor fouls. It happens so this is what people are asking him to change. So is Isiah!! Once he gets in shape and stops committing fouls he will stop being criticized for being out of shape and committing fouls.

I find it ironic how you refuse to give a young unselfish kid the benefit of the doubt but you bend over backwards to give one of the biggest cancers in the NBA the benefit of the doubt.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/16/2006  3:34 PM
So far Curry is doing fine this preseason. I will judge him based on how he plays. I do expect some off games like all centers have.

23.5 minutes-16.5ppg on 76.4% shooting-with 7.5 rebounds are pretty great numbers to start the preseason.His numbers in the first 2 games are as good or better than every other Knick.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/16/2006  3:36 PM
I find it odd that your putting so much stock into 2 freaking preseason games. 2 games, one in which he looked awful. Your easily pleased, I suppose? Is it that big of a deal to wait until a few REAL games are played?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-16-2006 3:36 PM]
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10/16/2006  3:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I find it odd that your putting so much stock into 2 freaking preseason games. 2 games, one in which he looked awful. Your easily pleased, I suppose? Is it that big of a deal to wait until a few REAL games are played?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-16-2006 3:36 PM]


LOL the funny thing is if he plays bad or average in a preseason game he gets ripped! But when he plays well its just a preseason game.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/16/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I find it odd that your putting so much stock into 2 freaking preseason games. 2 games, one in which he looked awful. Your easily pleased, I suppose? Is it that big of a deal to wait until a few REAL games are played?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-16-2006 3:36 PM]


LOL the funny thing is if he plays bad or average in a preseason game he gets ripped! But when he plays well its just a preseason game.

I sung Eddy's praises that he had a great game the other nite in the game thread, I also said he played terrible and looked horribly out of shape in the 1st preseason game thread. No one where did I make any kind of resolve on what kind of year he will have or even that we should be happy or pissed with his progress so far like you did.
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10/16/2006  3:50 PM
I don't think people rip him for playing poorly. They rip his inconsistency which has been his problem. To me pre-season doesn't mean much good or bad. I'm encouraged by that second game but it's only pre-season. I was discouraged by the first game but it's only pre-season. But I will say that sooner or later the guys has to show some consistency. I think this is as accurate as questioning his conditioning and foul problems.
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10/16/2006  4:00 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Whether the trade was good or bad isnt a reflection on Curry. Curry didnt make the trade. Isiah made the trade. Why should Curry get bashed for what Isiah traded for him? How is that fair to Curry?

I'm not sure where that came from. Perhaps I missed it but has anybody held Eddy personally responsible for the specifics of the trade?

I like having a real center. I was tired of having Sweets and KT play center for us. I like having a big man that is doubled as much as any Center in the league. I like having a Center that plays power basketball, leads the league in points per shot and shoots around 56%.
Does Curry have to improve? Yes.
Do I think he can improve at age 23? Yes
Does Curry have to get in better shape? Yes
Does it look like he is at least taking some steps to get there? Yes
Do I think Curry is going to be a top 10 franchise player? No
How often do "franchise" centers get traded at age 23?
Do I think Curry can be a 17-8 player? Yes
Is a 17-8 Center an asset in todays NBA? Yes

Did I answer your questions? If not be more specific and I will try again. :)


You did fine, and you're entitled to your opinions whether anyone agrees with them or not. I guess the disagreements arise around whether posters would have made the same trade if they had a say in it, and whether they feel Eddy is taking the necessary steps toward fulfilling his potential.

I really don't have strong feelings on him or the deal. When the trade negotiations were happening I wasn't eager or anxious either way. I recognize the potential in having a dominant bigman, their dearth in the league, and the need to gamble on one when opportunity strikes. At the same time I think we need to recognize that Eddy is not known for his love of the game, nor for his work ethic, so when we evaluate him and his progress it's worthwhile to keep an eye on his past. In the same way nobody concocted a grand media conspiracy to smear marbury's image, it's also true that guys like Cartright, Floyd, Skiles, LB and isiah haven't colluded to keep Eddy off the floor.
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10/16/2006  4:08 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
In the same way nobody concocted a grand media conspiracy to smear marbury's image, it's also true that guys like Cartright, Floyd, Skiles, LB and isiah haven't colluded to keep Eddy off the floor.

Cartwright, Floyd, and Skiles all brought Curry along in a normal manner increasing his minutes/production basically every year. He was an 18 year old kid playing against the best men in the world. Skiles had Curry playing the 2nd most minutes on the Bulls team.

LB had his own agenda and it showed not only with Curry.

Isiah will play Curry signifcant minutes for sure.



[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 10-16-2006 4:13 PM]
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/16/2006  4:12 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

he's CURRENTLY better than anybody the bulls will get from the bodies we sent them. He will eventually make people forget what we gave up for him.
kinda like we NEEDED a center so Jerome was a good signing right? There's such a thing as a future. Its not against the collective barganing agreement to plan for one.

Eddy's a good guy but we overpaid. Life goes on... hopefully he signs up for Jenny Craig or something
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10/16/2006  4:17 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by BlueSeats:
In the same way nobody concocted a grand media conspiracy to smear marbury's image, it's also true that guys like Cartright, Floyd, Skiles, LB and isiah haven't colluded to keep Eddy off the floor.

Cartwright, Floyd, and Skiles all brought Curry along in a normal manner increasing his minutes/production basically every year. He was an 18 year old kid playing against the best men in the world. Skiles had Curry playing the 2nd most minutes on the Bulls team.

LB had his own agenda and it showed not only with Curry.

Isiah will play Curry signifcant minutes for sure.



[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 10-16-2006 4:13 PM]

Sugar Ray did you even read my post about the quotes and frustration that Skiles had for Curry picking up fouls? Is what I posted nonsense or just refutes your point so it's worth ignoring. Again do a google search you will find that this was a common theme before LB. You hate LB we get it. LB messed with everyone on the team. We get it. That doesn't dismiss the fact that every coach that coaches Eddie Curry wants to put him on the floor 35+ minutes so that they can win games. but Eddy's conditioning, fouls and lack of committment to the game prevent this. Again, why do we continue to make excuses for underachievers. It's Eddie's job to get on the floor. If he stays out of foul trouble his minutes will skyrocket. It's such a simple solution, that debating it is mind numbing. LB was a lot of things. LB did a lot of things wrong last year. LB messed with Eddie last year. This still doesn't explain why the same complaints have followed Eddie for 5 years going on 6. Only he can change it.

Let's just settle on this. Eddie has been out of shape for a long time. Eddie needs polishing in the post to prevent offensive fouls. LB is the anti-christ.
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