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10/14/2006  11:52 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Some Knicks under LB last season had great games followed by dnps. Thats not excusing EC totally but there were agendas at work with LB tht sure didnt help the case.

Yeah, but the problem is Curry never got a DNP. He was consistently the starting center, never pulled early (unless in foul trouble-which he himself is responsible for).

I can see where you can make a case like that for Frye, Lee, Nate, etc....Curry, IMO, is not one that has that argument because Larry really never yanked him around.
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10/15/2006  12:03 AM
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Let's see how he does under a coach who isn't punishing him for following doctor's orders.

Where the hell did that come from?
He was shut down last offseason and that prick bastard Brown kept ripping him or being out of shape, even though he had not be allowed to work out under doctor's orders.
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10/15/2006  12:26 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by joec32033:
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Let's see how he does under a coach who isn't punishing him for following doctor's orders.

Where the hell did that come from?
He was shut down last offseason and that prick bastard Brown kept ripping him or being out of shape, even though he had not be allowed to work out under doctor's orders.

If I remember other than Jamal and Q, Curry was one of the least ripped Knicks by Brown. And how can he not be allowed to workout but play an NBA game? That makes no sense.

Now if you are talking about the begining of the season, Brown was very supportive of Curry in the begining even calling him the franchise talent.
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10/15/2006  12:28 AM
Looks like Eddy had a great game tonite, I wish it was televised so we had something to look instead of just the numbers. Looks like a good game though.
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10/15/2006  12:30 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's gonna prove a lot of people wrong.

So is Isiah.
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10/15/2006  12:41 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Some Knicks under LB last season had great games followed by dnps. Thats not excusing EC totally but there were agendas at work with LB tht sure didnt help the case.

Yeah, but the problem is Curry never got a DNP. He was consistently the starting center, never pulled early (unless in foul trouble-which he himself is responsible for).

I can see where you can make a case like that for Frye, Lee, Nate, etc....Curry, IMO, is not one that has that argument because Larry really never yanked him around.

Never pulled early or yanked around? You have to be kidding me. I remember one game he started with 12 points on 5 shots with 5 rebs and 2 blocks and he was yanked for no reason. He was dominating and not tired at all. He sat on the bench for about 25 real time not game time minutes and by the time he got back he went from red hot to ice cold.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/15/2006  12:45 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Some Knicks under LB last season had great games followed by dnps. Thats not excusing EC totally but there were agendas at work with LB tht sure didnt help the case.

Yeah, but the problem is Curry never got a DNP. He was consistently the starting center, never pulled early (unless in foul trouble-which he himself is responsible for).

I can see where you can make a case like that for Frye, Lee, Nate, etc....Curry, IMO, is not one that has that argument because Larry really never yanked him around.

Never pulled early or yanked around? You have to be kidding me. I remember one game he started with 12 points on 5 shots with 5 rebs and 2 blocks and he was yanked for no reason. He was dominating and not tired at all. He sat on the bench for about 25 real time not game time minutes and by the time he got back he went from red hot to ice cold.

There were reports that Curry pulled himself out of some games, so we go by what we see. There were times when Curry got off to a hot start and was pulled because of foul trouble. You sure he wasn't in foul trouble that game, which is why he was yanked early?
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10/15/2006  12:50 AM
I'm 100% sure. He didnt have a single foul and he shook his head in disbelief when pulled. during the game threads many of us hit the ceiling over LB pulling him at that moment. I saw JJ pull himself last season not Curry. Regardless its crazy to say LB didnt yank Curry around. LB had his agenda. He played games with man players and Curry would be right at the top of the list.
In my opinion LB did not want Curry to succeed too much because that would help Isiah look better. I'm not an LB basher but its clear he did things for his own agenda and it was a very manippulative agenda at times. Curry who rarely says anything even spoke to the press asking to play thru fouls like other guys can.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/15/2006  1:03 AM
The important thing is that THIS YEAR Curry will get every opportunity to show what he can do. I think he needs to be allowed to play thru the fouls. He's got to learn how to play with just the right amount of force. I'd love to see him develop a little jumper of use the jump hook more. In any event as the team continues to learn this system and perfect it, there will be a lot of space for Curry to do his thing and he'll have more frequent good games than he had last year.
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10/15/2006  1:10 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I'm 100% sure. He didnt have a single foul and he shook his head in disbelief when pulled. during the game threads many of us hit the ceiling over LB pulling him at that moment. I saw JJ pull himself last season not Curry. Regardless its crazy to say LB didnt yank Curry around. LB had his agenda. He played games with man players and Curry would be right at the top of the list.
In my opinion LB did not want Curry to succeed too much because that would help Isiah look better. I'm not an LB basher but its clear he did things for his own agenda and it was a very manippulative agenda at times. Curry who rarely says anything even spoke to the press asking to play thru fouls like other guys can.

Then I'll go on your word. But I still think that is hardly the case every time Curry had a bad outing. He still comes through with way to many of those 5 and 5 games and does nothing on the defensive end to balance it out.
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10/15/2006  2:52 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's gonna prove a lot of people wrong.

So is Isiah.

and it will be extremely fun.
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10/15/2006  7:01 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's gonna prove a lot of people wrong.
So is Isiah.
and it will be extremely fun.
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10/15/2006  7:52 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's gonna prove a lot of people wrong.

So is Isiah.
What are you picturing when you say that? 40 wins and fighting for the 8th seed? Or are you picturing something better? Just curious.

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10/15/2006  8:04 AM
with these two wins, and fabulous team play, the tables are turning.

In an effort to get the haters to hang their asses out there, it's getting increasing evident that the haters are the ones trying to get the kool aid junkies to up their estimates so they can say "I told you so".

Well, I'm feeling 50 wins. But to keep the vultures from looking at something to down me on if they only win 49

I honestly believe that the knicks will DOUBLE last year's pathetic coaching win total with the same staff as last year.

If Balkman is the difference, I'd simply say LB wouldn't have drafted and/or played him.

our depth and team play will be the difference.

Isiah has players for any style of basketball.

When he needs to play the slow down game on offense (playoff style) he can bring the curry/crawfish one/two punch he brought against philly.

Or he can go with his push style offense (quick) and run teams into the ground.

That flexibility will serve us well in "stealing" games during the season.

We're going to have 46 wins and the only difference will be that we will win games we are supposed to win.

We are supposed to beat the nets when they don't have kidd or vince.
We are supposed to beat the sixers who have no depth.
We are supposed to win in preseason if we are so determined to wash last year's taste out of our mouths.

We battled chicago and detroit last year in some monumentally entertaining games. One of them got worst and the other added ben wallace.

Here is what I think about ben wallace!
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10/15/2006  8:09 AM
I agreed with Rich and Phil so I'm going to respond to this.
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's gonna prove a lot of people wrong.

So is Isiah.
What are you picturing when you say that? 40 wins and fighting for the 8th seed? Or are you picturing something better? Just curious.
It all depends on what you are expecting from Isiah. If you are expecting 24 wins, you will be proven wrong. If you are expecting 3rd round of the playoffs or championship you will be proven wrong. If you are one of the few people that falls somewhere in between there, you will be right but majority of the people expect him to fail miserably and he will prove them wrong. To strictly answer your question, I am expecting .500 and 1st round or maybe 2nd round.
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10/15/2006  8:16 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I agreed with Rich and Phil so I'm going to respond to this.
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:

He's gonna prove a lot of people wrong.

So is Isiah.
What are you picturing when you say that? 40 wins and fighting for the 8th seed? Or are you picturing something better? Just curious.
It all depends on what you are expecting from Isiah. If you are expecting 24 wins, you will be proven wrong. If you are expecting 3rd round of the playoffs or championship you will be proven wrong. If you are one of the few people that falls somewhere in between there, you will be right but majority of the people expect him to fail miserably and he will prove them wrong. To strictly answer your question, I am expecting .500 and 1st round or maybe 2nd round.
Sounds reasonable. I'm expecting about 40 wins and fighting for the 8th seed. So you and I are not too far off.

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10/15/2006  8:17 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

with these two wins, and fabulous team play, the tables are turning.

In an effort to get the haters to hang their asses out there, it's getting increasing evident that the haters are the ones trying to get the kool aid junkies to up their estimates so they can say "I told you so".

Well, I'm feeling 50 wins. But to keep the vultures from looking at something to down me on if they only win 49

I honestly believe that the knicks will DOUBLE last year's pathetic coaching win total with the same staff as last year.

If Balkman is the difference, I'd simply say LB wouldn't have drafted and/or played him.

our depth and team play will be the difference.

Isiah has players for any style of basketball.

When he needs to play the slow down game on offense (playoff style) he can bring the curry/crawfish one/two punch he brought against philly.

Or he can go with his push style offense (quick) and run teams into the ground.

That flexibility will serve us well in "stealing" games during the season.

We're going to have 46 wins and the only difference will be that we will win games we are supposed to win.

We are supposed to beat the nets when they don't have kidd or vince.
We are supposed to beat the sixers who have no depth.
We are supposed to win in preseason if we are so determined to wash last year's taste out of our mouths.

We battled chicago and detroit last year in some monumentally entertaining games. One of them got worst and the other added ben wallace.

Here is what I think about ben wallace!
I like how the team played in these two games but you can't ignore the fact that both opponents were without two key starters (Kidd & Carter/Webber & Dalembert).

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10/15/2006  8:21 AM
yep, I agree 100%, it's preseason.

we were supposed to win both games and we did...that alone is a difference from last year over this year.

It's time to start looking at the talent on paper and giving the knicks and isiah their just due.

If we are going by the team on paper (like everyone seems to be doing for the nets, sixers, celtics, etc.) then the knicks are going to take the atlantic.

Chicago was a 41 win team last year, and it's everyone's opinion that big ben will add 10 wins to their total (you have to give equal credit for the youth getting better to the knicks now, no more one sided credit giving).

How many fewer games does that give the pistons?

The knicks were arguably a 38 win team last year.

Do the math.
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10/15/2006  10:07 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Some Knicks under LB last season had great games followed by dnps. Thats not excusing EC totally but there were agendas at work with LB tht sure didnt help the case.

Yeah, but the problem is Curry never got a DNP. He was consistently the starting center, never pulled early (unless in foul trouble-which he himself is responsible for).

I can see where you can make a case like that for Frye, Lee, Nate, etc....Curry, IMO, is not one that has that argument because Larry really never yanked him around.

Never pulled early or yanked around? You have to be kidding me. I remember one game he started with 12 points on 5 shots with 5 rebs and 2 blocks and he was yanked for no reason. He was dominating and not tired at all. He sat on the bench for about 25 real time not game time minutes and by the time he got back he went from red hot to ice cold.

This is very accurate. Lb also never let him play through fouls even when the game was a fore-gone-conclusion and we were like 80 games under 500.

I remember the Philly when Curry put up 5/5. He got off to a slow start was just benched. LB never gave him a chance to fight through it.

The Indy game was a blow-out in our favor and the entire 3rd quarter was garbage time.

Hopefully, Isiah will let him play through fouls this yr.
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10/15/2006  10:48 AM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by rvhoss:

with these two wins, and fabulous team play, the tables are turning.

In an effort to get the haters to hang their asses out there, it's getting increasing evident that the haters are the ones trying to get the kool aid junkies to up their estimates so they can say "I told you so".

Well, I'm feeling 50 wins. But to keep the vultures from looking at something to down me on if they only win 49

I honestly believe that the knicks will DOUBLE last year's pathetic coaching win total with the same staff as last year.

If Balkman is the difference, I'd simply say LB wouldn't have drafted and/or played him.

our depth and team play will be the difference.

Isiah has players for any style of basketball.

When he needs to play the slow down game on offense (playoff style) he can bring the curry/crawfish one/two punch he brought against philly.

Or he can go with his push style offense (quick) and run teams into the ground.

That flexibility will serve us well in "stealing" games during the season.

We're going to have 46 wins and the only difference will be that we will win games we are supposed to win.

We are supposed to beat the nets when they don't have kidd or vince.
We are supposed to beat the sixers who have no depth.
We are supposed to win in preseason if we are so determined to wash last year's taste out of our mouths.

We battled chicago and detroit last year in some monumentally entertaining games. One of them got worst and the other added ben wallace.

Here is what I think about ben wallace!
I like how the team played in these two games but you can't ignore the fact that both opponents were without two key starters (Kidd & Carter/Webber & Dalembert).


1) dally didnt even start a many games in the 2nd half of the last season. Hunter did.
2) webber has never been known as a defensive force for the 76ers
3) we were missing francis, jeffries, JJ and Malik as well
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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