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10/7/2006  2:19 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

If nothing else the Knicks need to start enforcing their 'media policy' with Marbury. Better to look a fool then to open your mouth and reveal all doubt.

I don't believe we have a PR in house or firm.
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10/7/2006  3:03 PM
About a third of this board believed that Francis was brought in by Brown in hoopes of moving Marbury. Now Marbury sings the same tune you guys have been singing and he's an idiot. Unreal!

And now you guys believe he somehow took a shot at Francis with this comment. In what way exactly? And Blue, what exactly are they blamming on Francis? Sounds like Marbury is blamming LB for bringing Francis in. I don't see where Marbury is blamming anything on Francis.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-07-2006 3:04 PM]
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10/7/2006  3:11 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by crzymdups:


yeah, you left out the part where Brown begged for Francis then didn't play him, thus undermining his owner and GM. Case opened!


he averaged 28 mpg, and was said to have come to practice drunk. did anyone in management do their homework on this guy?

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FWIW, this was the inside report from a guy on realgm who knew someone on the summerleague squad:

As for steve francis, he said that Lee and Frye said francis was a total nut job and that he never did a thing the coach said to do, and would only practice like 2 out of every 5 practices. They said that Francis is a real partyer also and would show up to practice drunk all the time and never really tried hard. He also told me that he thinks Isiah really wants to get rid of Francis which would be good for him because it would open up a guard spot.

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They thread lived (buried and forgotten) on realgm up until a week ago, the removal of which only lends credence to it's veracity in my mind.


Anyway, when you have Marbury admitting he didn't pay attention to Brown since the 7th game of the season, is it any wonder the team imploded and LB wanted him gone?

For all we know Steve Francis could be practicing right now. Francis is innocent until proven that all he likes to do is party. He seems like a very focus person off the court about his occupation.



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10/7/2006  4:43 PM
Posted by BigC:

For all we know Steve Francis could be practicing right now. Francis is innocent until proven that all he likes to do is party. He seems like a very focus person off the court about his occupation.





What's scary is that that was taken at half-time...
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10/7/2006  5:11 PM
What's scary is that that was taken at half-time...
LOL!
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10/7/2006  5:54 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Steve must feel real welcome right about now.

And how about Isiah closing camp a day early? Great, back to the Lenny Wilkens days of wanting to be liked and catering to soft players.

I hope they're polishing up Steph's massage table at MSG as we speak.

Yeah, that Steve Francis comment was right on. Marbury just says this stuff without even thinking. I guarantee this thing is gonna blow up in the Knicks face pretty fast. Maybe Isiah, Dolan and Marbury get banned from the NBA for life for this Anucha case.

Do you think they Gang-raped her together?
Hmm... May be... May be...



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10/7/2006  6:09 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by BigC:

For all we know Steve Francis could be practicing right now. Francis is innocent until proven that all he likes to do is party. He seems like a very focus person off the court about his occupation.







What's scary is that that was taken at half-time...

And Isiah wants to complain about Skeet, Skeet's cell phone going off in a team meeting?
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10/7/2006  8:03 PM
I can't wait for the season to start.
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10/7/2006  8:58 PM
that drunkathlete.com site is pretty good. I like the Giambi pic!
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10/7/2006  10:59 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

About a third of this board believed that Francis was brought in by Brown in hoopes of moving Marbury. Now Marbury sings the same tune you guys have been singing and he's an idiot. Unreal!

And now you guys believe he somehow took a shot at Francis with this comment. In what way exactly? And Blue, what exactly are they blamming on Francis? Sounds like Marbury is blamming LB for bringing Francis in. I don't see where Marbury is blamming anything on Francis.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-07-2006 3:04 PM]

You are missing the point. We can call Francis a drunk cocaine addict transvestite hooker with gonnoreah who only plays basketball to pay for 8 balls he sells to 3rd grade girls(just an example) and it won't matter. WE don't have to play with him. Noone cares about what we do.

Marbury and Francis have the weight of the Knicks on their shoulders, and alot of fans that pay good money to support the team. Steph can not be saying stuff like this in the media. IT DIVIDES A LOCKER ROOM! It also hits Francis' confidence hard, makes the GM look bad to the owner, and makes Steph look like ge is once again putting himself above the team.

It's not the fact whether he believes it or not. It's the fact this is something that will kill team chemistry. And if it doesn't it can hurt Francis confidence and we are stuck with a 30 yr old, $17 million Dajuan Wagner-for the next 3 years.
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10/7/2006  11:13 PM
I think you guys are missing something. Isiah is ALLOWING this kind of talk. It's clear that he gave the OK, cuz the way MSG does things they won't let something like this happen unless its on purpose. Isiah is using the LB hatred to be a source of drive for this team. So many of the guys clearly feed off of wanting to prove LB and others wrong, that Isiah is smartly using it to give the players a focus. He's been working on team unity and anger can be a good tool when channelled the right way. It's not the only thing he's using, but he's clearly circling the wagons and giving the team the old "it's us against the world" treatment.

There's been a concerted effort to develop more team unity this year and it can be seen with the way the players are helping each other thru drills. This team actually likes each other and many are friends off the court. Most of them expressed wanting to stay together at the end of last year. We won't have a divided lockerroom. There isn't a huge negative force like last year. The Mental attitude of the team is totally different from last year. This isn't a negative thing, even tho it might seem like it.
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10/7/2006  11:22 PM
LOL. nixluva, you are so relentlessly positive. You should get the kool aid award
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10/7/2006  11:30 PM
Did Marbury make a negative or derogatory comment about Francis that I missed?

He felt that Francis was brought in to ouster him, and that is probably true.

Francis doesn't like LB either that's obvious.

It seems that some are trying to cast this as a bad attitude of Marbury towards Francis, and I don't see that to be the case.

oohah

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10/8/2006  12:18 AM
Posted by oohah:

Did Marbury make a negative or derogatory comment about Francis that I missed?

He felt that Francis was brought in to ouster him, and that is probably true.

Francis doesn't like LB either that's obvious.

It seems that some are trying to cast this as a bad attitude of Marbury towards Francis, and I don't see that to be the case.

oohah

You're RIGHT! There is no problem between Steph and Francis. In fact the team itself seems to be getting along just fine. I think people are so sure that Steph is a team killer that can't help but assume that he always has some goal in mind to rip a fellow teammate. The problem is that they are wrong. Just because there have been a few guys over the years who haven't liked him, doesn't mean that ALL of his teammates don't like him. I'm only concerned with this team and from what I have been reading this team has been coming together rather well.

There didn't seem to be any problems when the team was winning games during the win streak last year and that's cuz things are usually good when you're winning. Steph has been on some losing teams so obviously NO ONE was happy and he's the easiest target to shoot at. The best player on the team, who just happens to be a surly and confident type of guy. The LB talk is just that, TALK. It has NOTHING to do with this teams morale or how they feel about each other. If it motivates them to play harder and come together, then so be it.

As for Basketball Jones and his kool-aid comment, we'll see whether i'm off base or not this year. It's not kool-aid drinking if it's based on valid reasoning. This team is bonding together and making the events of last year their rallying cry for this year. Isiah is using it and well he should. We don't have to like it. If it works then why should Isiah care how it looks or sounds. This team HAS to improve and Isiah's gonna use everything he can to get that done. It's not the only method he's using, but he's gonna pull out all the stops this year.
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10/8/2006  12:20 AM
What facts in these articles weren't already known?
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10/8/2006  1:23 AM
If they really want to win the arbitration case against Larry Brown, they should do everything they can to find the gun that he put against Isiah's head to make the Francis and Rose deals. It's probably the same one that was used on Dolan to get him to ok the deals.

Glad to see Isiah refusing to take responsibility for the deals that he made. Notice that they only accuse Larry Brown of attempting to make trades and not actually making trades.
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10/8/2006  6:18 AM
I am glad you aren't too. now a knick fan can use your ticket.
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I'm so glad I'm not buying tickets this year for the New York Pricks.

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10/8/2006  6:22 AM
I rank this topic up there with the qrich fight thread.

haters posting to incite a hate topic so other haters can get a three page hate discussion.

old news.

and everyone knew (some of you marbs haters hoped) francis was brought in to replace marbury.

isiah will do what some hof coaches can't do...make it work.

atleast the hate threads are beginning to be centralized to 3 posters and the board is becoming about basketball...coincidentally as the season draws near.

reminder to new members of the board...avoid uk if you can after a loss. it's like visiting the holocaust museum.
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10/8/2006  8:01 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I am glad you aren't too. now a knick fan can use your ticket.
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I'm so glad I'm not buying tickets this year for the New York Pricks.

Ouch! That was brutally harsh!
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10/8/2006  8:02 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by bigbeast:

About a third of this board believed that Francis was brought in by Brown in hoopes of moving Marbury. Now Marbury sings the same tune you guys have been singing and he's an idiot. Unreal!

And now you guys believe he somehow took a shot at Francis with this comment. In what way exactly? And Blue, what exactly are they blamming on Francis? Sounds like Marbury is blamming LB for bringing Francis in. I don't see where Marbury is blamming anything on Francis.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-07-2006 3:04 PM]

You are missing the point. We can call Francis a drunk cocaine addict transvestite hooker with gonnoreah who only plays basketball to pay for 8 balls he sells to 3rd grade girls(just an example) and it won't matter.

That's offensive...

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