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Franchise's rebounding
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arkrud
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10/3/2006  5:19 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:

you cant... there's no way Marbury or Steve arent starting. They both had to and ISiah knows it. They can play good soldier bla bla bla but if they dont start its a sulkfest. They are our guards. I would bring Crawford off the bench for 30 minutes a game backing up the 1/2 and in 3 guard alignments. Use Q as the 4th guard w/ some time at SF

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i'd use Q at a SF w/JJ... Nate would get playing time backing up Marbury at PG w/Craw backing up Francis as SG, at least to start the season off... we MUST have Francis playing at a high level by the Allstar break so his contract can be used as a trade asset, instead of being a hindrance on the cap for the next 3 years... same goes for Marbury... Nate & Craw have a future on this team still, so i don't mind seeing them on the bench for now... & i happen to think Q is part of the solution going forward, & not part of the problem... he's shown himself to be 1 of the few guys on this team to have the right attitude & outlook on how they approach the game... last season was tough for him from a personal standpoint everyone knows, but i think this year he'll make a nice bounceback season.

basically, Isiah's going to want to win as many games as possible, but for me, the season's more about raising the trade value of some undesirables & clearing a way for cap flexibility going forward... if Isiah can manage that, then i will consider this season a big success, playoffs or no playoffs.

So if Steve and Marbs starting will tranlate to more loses its OK?
And Craf and Nate will play in the future - but for which team?
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10/3/2006  5:21 PM
The knicks weren't good on the defensive boards but they need only improve from 28.8 boards a game to 33.0, which is what the top defensive rebounding team, LAC, had. That is a total of 4.2 more defensive boards a game. It's not an insurmountable problem to tackle for the Knicks to get 2-3 more defensive boards a game. If Frye, Curry, Jared and Lee each improve a little, we'll be just fine.
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10/3/2006  5:48 PM
hey, I'm starting to look forward to your posts nix...been fun reading. And I've noticed you hadn't had to defend as much as just let everyone know everything will be alright this year.

keep the faith.

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10/3/2006  5:51 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I would start Steve and Jcraw. Let Marbs come off the bench as a 6th man with Nate

like it or not Marbs is the best guard on this team....call him a scoring guard/small shooting guard if you will but he's still the best pg option on this team. Makes not sense to put him on the bench.
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10/3/2006  7:17 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:
No it means teams that rebound well at more positions usually have an advantage than teams that just soley rely on 3 big guys to rebound and nobody else chips in on the boards.
I couldnt disagree more. A few years ago the Pistons were ranked among the lowest in total rebounds, but they had Ben Wallace. Guess who controlled the glass in key possesions?

When you have to have a rebound, what do you want? A team with a bunch of guys that can get a rebound or a team with a guy thats going to own the glass, like a Big Ben, Garnett, Ewing, Rodman, etc

I will take the stud every time.

Ill take a good team rebounding than 1-2 guys. If only 2 guys are rebounding that equals 20-25 rebounds a game max. You need other guys to pitch in. Oh when the key rebounds were needed I saw the Spurs get them in the 4th qtr not Ben. Rebounding was a major weakness for the Pistons last playoffs. Ewing was not alone. He had Oakly, Mason, Xman, Bonner plus startks and Harper pictching in. Rodman had Jordan helping as well as Pipen and whoever played center. In fact you are making my point via Chicago. Chicago was a team rebounding team not just the Center and PF.

Exactly. I don't know what year Fishmike is referring to, but he probably has one or two possessions that stood out in mind for Ben rather than taking into account how the team rebounded all game. Maybe if they had five good rebounders, the crucial possessions in crunch time that Ben controls wouldn't have even mattered because they would have been up by 20. I bet even Ben would say he'd rather have good than poor rebounding teammates.
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10/3/2006  8:27 PM
Posted by fishmike:
No it means teams that rebound well at more positions usually have an advantage than teams that just soley rely on 3 big guys to rebound and nobody else chips in on the boards.
I couldnt disagree more. A few years ago the Pistons were ranked among the lowest in total rebounds, but they had Ben Wallace. Guess who controlled the glass in key possesions?

When you have to have a rebound, what do you want? A team with a bunch of guys that can get a rebound or a team with a guy thats going to own the glass, like a Big Ben, Garnett, Ewing, Rodman, etc

I will take the stud every time.

Agreed. Some people may laugh, but I think DLee actually has the potential to be something close to that kind of rebounder for us. He abused the boards in summer league and was our best per minute rebounder all season last year. I hope he's the first big off the bench.
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10/4/2006  5:36 AM
agreed on Lee. if zeke doesn't see the type of rebounding, he shouldn't hesitate to see Lee in there.

last year, even ignoring rebounds per minute, he always seemed to get the ball on the defensive end.

we know our guards will be able to rebound and if the question is whether or not frye and curry can combine for 3 to 4 more boards a game...

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10/4/2006  9:27 AM
That's why I like the Lee, Frye and Curry frontline better than the Jeffries, Curry, Frye frontline. Lee gives us a guy that can snatch a key rebound. I think Jeffries can be used more against weaker frontlines. the key for us is finding a guy that can play D and rebound as well. This will make our frontline a lot more versatile. James? Probably not, but I'll keep praying.
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Bippity10
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10/4/2006  9:28 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

because you jump on specific words in posts and we have to agree with you to get you to realize that you jumped on the extreme post.

I know you are a coach and all and your players are never allowed to say we want to be average.

But it gets old real quick when you are really just stating an opinion and the opinion is close to fact.

He didn't say he was happy about it. He just stated it...you added the happy...or do you not read the posts?

(just jokes, but you gotta get my point)
Posted by Bippity10:

I guess I just don't understand why you argue with me when you always seem to agree wtih me.

I thought you had me on "ignore"
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10/4/2006  9:31 AM
We have a board of guys who think they are discussing basketball when really all they are doing is running around attacking any post that doesn't say we will be the best team on the planet.

I enjoy talking basketball. I enjoy talking about the Knicks. I enjoy expressing my opinion about what occurs. I enjoy saying the good and the bad without having fear if I mention somehting bad that means I hate the Knicks. But it just stinks that you have to have 6 or 7 guys running around from post to post finding anything that is negative(even if they agree with the poster) and attacking it.

If a player does well he gets credit. IF a player f's up he deserves to get roasted. We won 23 games last year there was a lot of roasting. And thanks to people like me guys like Channing were motivated to step up there garmes. Thankfully we don't have millions of knick fans that are willing to settle and say everything is fantastic even when we win 23 games. Honest assessment is the only way that anyone can get better.
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10/4/2006  9:42 AM
If a player does well he gets credit. IF a player f's up he deserves to get roasted. We won 23 games last year there was a lot of roasting. And thanks to people like me guys like Channing were motivated to step up there garmes. Thankfully we don't have millions of knick fans that are willing to settle and say everything is fantastic even when we win 23 games. Honest assessment is the only way that anyone can get better.

Bip, I think that while the boards will always have some fans, I think the majority pretty much realizes that everything about the team is pretty much a debacle, starting with Dolan and Isiah and going downward and that we all realized that the players had to bust their arses quadruple time to stay on the team and avoid last season repeated.

And on to the players, I think crzy is 100% correct with his thread title, on a different thread. Even though Lee and Frye have been in the league just maybe a year, I think they are showing some leadership with how hard they have seemed to work this Summer and for their attitudes, b/c it's those guys that other players need to follow. Same for Crawford, just seemingly doing whatever it takes. Not players who were busy with shoe companies admitting that it is only "Now that's time for basketball." Even Francis has at least said the right things but lets see how he can step up.

Get the heck rid of James btw. It's not even funny anymore.
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10/4/2006  10:01 AM
I agree. I think Lee and Frye are taking a leadership role. It will be interesting to see if they try to wrestle(in a good way) control of the team from Marbs and Stevie or if they will cowtow and let them do whatever they want. I just want them to continue to focus on this upcoming year. Okay, I'll give these guys a couple weeks of training camp to vent about last year but after that we have to let it go. We have to let LB go and realize it's about getting better and winning games and not at getting back at him. We need to be motivated to win games, not motivated to get back at LB because when he is gone, what is left?

You get the feeling that during this summer guys are starting to learn that the excuses are gone. That money doesn't win titles and that team comes first. Let's just continue to pray that it continues.
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