Posted by wsdm:

So you're saying the difference between a 41 and 23 win season or a 50% and 20% approval rating is nothing meaningful but rather just semantics?

Posted by nixluva:

I think we ALL agree that both Curry and Frye need to improve on their rebounding. The thing is that I think some don't have any faith that they will, while others feel that they will improve. I looked at their current rate of production and found that they would be around 8 rebs a game if they didn't improve one bit, but if they avg'd 34mpg for Frye and 32mpg for Curry. I think that they will see increased minutes, but I also think they'll improve a bit in their rate of production. Then when you add in Lee who is sure to get a big share of the spare minutes, he is a better rebounder than either of them. As a team we were 6th in the league in terms of reb differential at +2.81. We were 13th in the league in total rebs with 41.39. The big problem was that we were 24th in the league in Defensive Rebs at 28.6 and the top team LAC, was at 33. So we need to improve in that area by a few more rebs a game.

We easily lead the league in turnovers last season. That's something that needs to improve.

To me our other big problem was Turnovers. We were the worst in the league at 17 a game. Isiah says that he wants to make this team more efficient and that's a good goal, cuz even if we aren't the best rebounding team, if we can at least cut WAY down on the TO's and play more efficiently, that will REALLY help our defense a lot. If you combine fewer TO's and more Def. rebs that's gonna go a long way to this team winning more games.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

Nixluva I think this is where you go wrong. People criticize them for their lack of rebuidling. Which is pretty accurate. You interpret that as a prediction when all people are talking about is what they actually saw.

Hey what is it with you and these so called "observatons" you keep making and then your scenarios where you say "what if this happens" but always with a NEGATIVE connotation? I'm not buying it. I think you really do have a negative opinion of what this team will do and you're just hiding behind your little devils advocate lines. Freakin man up and say what you really think.

My post merely stated that despite what you THINK you saw, the combo of Frye and Curry played at a rate close to them avg'ing about 8 rebounds each if they played starter minutes. Now its a new year and i'm simply saying that if they improve just a little they would be close to what we're looking for them to produce. In other words right now if they don't improve at all, we can expect aroung 8 rebs a game from each, however if they're able to improve they should exceed that and we won't really have a problem there.

There are countless posts of me saying the positive or defending a guy I think needs defending. Go to the Balkman post and read my defending of Crawford. I call it the way I see it. When a guy plays bad he gets crapped on. When they play well they get credit. When this team stops leaving question markds out there I will stop playing devil's advocate.

But you don't see those because you are part of the negativity police. Stop trying to read into what I think and just take what I write at face value. I spend countless wasted hours arguing my opinions on this board. Any question you have you can ask me and I will give you my opinion. But you don't ask questions and discuss you just search for any negative view or probing question so that you can attack it. If you stopped wasting time trying to determine who's a pessimist and who is an optimist, and who likes and who hates the knicks, who is protecting LB, who is attacking marbs, you would find that I man up on every topic we discuss. So instead of whining about who's negative and who's positive, start an actual discussion, ask a question and I will be happy to give you my opinion.

As for this season for the 80th time I have a wait and see approach. I am predicting between 35-40 wins. They have 50 win talent. They have 20 win chemistry. Why wait and see? Because I'm afraid of you or Fish or Allanfan if my predictions are wrong? Whatever dude. I have a wait and see approach because I have no clue if the 50 win talent or the 20 win chemistry will show up next year. This is my honest opinion. What else do you need. Do I need to beat the drums of positivity to be accepted by you or can you just take the above paragraph at face value??? Is that possible for you to do???

As for Channing and Curry. I am not happy with my PF AND Center averaging 8 rebs per game. I am not happy with my center who is 7 feet and 300 lbs averaging 8 rebounds a game. Are we an okay rebounding team with them putting up these numbers? yes. Should I settle for okay when my frontcourt is capable of more? I guess if I'm an optimist I should settle, shut up and be happy with what I get. You and I both understand that they need to get better. So what's the issue? Now you played angel's advocate the way you posed your question. I responded to it. can you do the same when I play devil's advocate or do you just want to keep over-reacting?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-03-2006 2:25 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-03-2006 2:29 PM]

Posted by Elite:

jerome james is a lot taller than curry....... u can really see it there

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

Nixluva I think this is where you go wrong. People criticize them for their lack of rebuidling. Which is pretty accurate. You interpret that as a prediction when all people are talking about is what they actually saw.

Hey what is it with you and these so called "observatons" you keep making and then your scenarios where you say "what if this happens" but always with a NEGATIVE connotation? I'm not buying it. I think you really do have a negative opinion of what this team will do and you're just hiding behind your little devils advocate lines. Freakin man up and say what you really think.

My post merely stated that despite what you THINK you saw, the combo of Frye and Curry played at a rate close to them avg'ing about 8 rebounds each if they played starter minutes. Now its a new year and i'm simply saying that if they improve just a little they would be close to what we're looking for them to produce. In other words right now if they don't improve at all, we can expect aroung 8 rebs a game from each, however if they're able to improve they should exceed that and we won't really have a problem there.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-04-2006 01:24 AM]

Posted by rvhoss:

I have been saying this for months, and the bip formula is the counter this type of direct reminder of his crap with "I've made countless posts" or "do you read my posts"

He's as full of bs as lb. (both coaches, same kind of double talk)

Bip, you gotta stop trying to coach everyone's posts...oh, nevermind, keep being you, this is an open forum and you can post what you like...but as the season draws near and you start to waffle more and more, it's get's more and more obvious.

Man, I just did you what you do, ignore the subject and critique a post.

It's kind of fun.

When you respond, I can just say I've made posts to the contrary to what you think this post is about and then ask why you are arguing with me when we really agree.

Then make up some random scenario like "what if the garden get's hit by a terrorist attack and the knicks are below .500? Do we fire isiah then?"

Get a grip.

islesfat, as always, has nothing to say.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

Nixluva I think this is where you go wrong. People criticize them for their lack of rebuidling. Which is pretty accurate. You interpret that as a prediction when all people are talking about is what they actually saw.

Hey what is it with you and these so called "observatons" you keep making and then your scenarios where you say "what if this happens" but always with a NEGATIVE connotation? I'm not buying it. I think you really do have a negative opinion of what this team will do and you're just hiding behind your little devils advocate lines. Freakin man up and say what you really think.

My post merely stated that despite what you THINK you saw, the combo of Frye and Curry played at a rate close to them avg'ing about 8 rebounds each if they played starter minutes. Now its a new year and i'm simply saying that if they improve just a little they would be close to what we're looking for them to produce. In other words right now if they don't improve at all, we can expect aroung 8 rebs a game from each, however if they're able to improve they should exceed that and we won't really have a problem there.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-04-2006 01:24 AM]

Someone notify the moderators the "ignore" button isn't working again.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Bip, I know I've mentioned this a number of times, and though I know it wont happen, how do you like a starting lineup of Marbury, Crawford, Q, Lee and Curry? You have Crawford at SG who has shown he can rebound, in the past, and you got good rebounders in Lee and Q, and of course, hope rests on Curry. You also got the scorers (Low post, penetrating, mid range shooting, spot up long range.) and you also just gotto hope they can mesh together defensively. Marbury can take the stronger guards who post up while he's on D b/c he seems to do better against those players, and Crawford can take the quicker PGs and fill the passing lanes. I know it's all talk...

But if that frontcourt doesn't work out, you got Frye and Jefferies ready to come in and you always got Malik to simply set an example for a couple of minutes...

Based on last year, and last year alone, I just don't see how, on the D and boards, a starting frontcourt of Jefferies, Frye and Curry will work.