Crawford only missed 6 games. Nazr had a hammy injury that he technically could play on, but he was replaced by malik Rose, a player isiah said he thought was better player than Nazr. And Nazr went on to play a pretty large role in San Antonio's championship run. Kurt's finger issue was the year prior. Kurt was very solid and healthy for 05-06.

No, Kurt Thomas had difficulties in 05-06 recovering from his surgery. He played his heart out and I like him because of that. He is a pro though I'll give him that.

Crawford missed 12 games, and you will see that the downward slide for the Knicks in 04-05 began with his injury.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01_2005.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2005_games.html

Nazr was hurt, but he struggled though as well. And I totally disagree with Isiah, Mohammed is a waaaaaay better player than Rose.

Now you are making my point. Major injuries to Frye and Marbury - arguably our two best players. Richardson's back was shot all season, plus that leg (shin, ankle, hammy?) business to start the year. Curry was oft injured and always unfit. Ditto Big Snacks. Plus AD, our starting PF, got suspended and traded.

Plus the distractions of Anucha-gate and Marbury taking on Brown... Oy!

Once the Knicks were 7-21 the season was over. ONly Curry was hurt before that point, and that was the only one that really hurt. By the time Marbury was injured the season was done. Like I said about Frye, when he was hurt the season was extra-done!

Q was hurt, but LB had the players to play in front of him!!

When AD got suspended the season was already over!

I don't think Anucha affected anything. Anyway by the time that occured the season was done!

Brown V Marbury? I'll leave that alone.

Less veteran talent. Absolutely! Nazr was a working center, something we never had last year. And Kurt was our best player as far as I'm concerned. I know the Marbury fans will go nuts to hear that, but he was our best shooter, best defender and best leader. Our only two-way player. A very reliable player. I'm not crying that we traded him, cause at 32-33 his days are numbered, but at that point in time he was our glue. We had NO glue last year.

And Sweets was serviceable to prolific in stretches. And as bad as TT was, he was better in his awful year than QR was in his.

However, I'm also not really acknowledging Francis and Rose who came after the bottom fell out and never fit in. I almost forget they were here. You can cal them "talent" but last year they were little more than another poodle jumping thru a "circus" hoop.

Yes, the Knicks had less "solid" players, but they had to have a game plan to let these guys solidify!

To anwser your previous question, I thought last year's team should have won about the same as the year before last, the big difference is that the group we had before was not going to improve, and this group almost certainly will.

So I go with the later squad.

My argument is that last season was a continuation of the 2nd part of the prior season. A rudderless team without leadership, passion or chemistry.

That may have been true, except sucha large portion of the team was new. Anyway, LB was supposed to be the rudder, but he was not interested in being the rudder for this group of players.

Ouch, right, I forgot about your whole knee thing. How's that doing?

Good, but I am probably going under the knife again.

Anyway, Houston was pretty much done, but still he gave us 20 games of 12pts in 26 minutes. Points wise that's basically what Frye gave us last year. So if you wanna count Frye as talent in '06 I think you've gotta count Houston as talent in '05.

The only probelm is that all Houston could do was shoot. It is a credit to him that he mustered what he did, but we both saw him. It was painful to watch.

oohah

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Rich:



It's a meaningless, self-serving statement that he made because he is trying to cut his ties, but he still wants his money. It's classless.



[Edited by - Rich on 09-29-2006 12:23 AM]

Oh so now when a player says something we don't take it for full-value? Alot of people on this board were all over quotes by Frye, by Nate, by Stephon, the list goes on about last year. Now that Mo Taylor says something, it doesnt count? Please.

Not just now, always. Everyone has an agenda, particularly a player who have an interest in dissing the franchise he wants to leave (with full pay) because he knows he won't get any PT in his walk year.

I think Nate and Frye have less of an agenda, but sure, everything Marbury says is suspect.

I think I may have figured out, those that are content, don't post, those that have something to gripe about post.

it's beginning to make sense now...if you are happy with the knicks, there is no point to post that, if you have something you are angry about you post...

If UK was the measuring stick for knick nation, then they wouldn't sell so many tickets and knicks merchandise.

So, keep posting agrily...i mean, come on, MoT is out for MoT, he complained about brown when he was here, he wants a buyout, so he complains as loud as he there is NO CHANCE he will be in camp or even in the locker room, and the more he barks, the more likely he will be more money (see shandon anderson).

It's funny, LB and MoT, that's all they got, and they will say so because moT said this, marbury, frye, nate and Dlee are less credible.

We got one guy and that's all we need.

posting on UK is basically a voice for the minority opinion.

The minority opinion that the sky is falling.

There are those that try to impart some sanity by accentuating the positives (and there are waaaaaay more positives than negatives) and the naysayers come back with Jerome James, giving up unprotected and make some crazy marbury comment.

The proof is in the pudding...when the knicks play well, there will be no posts from the islesfats of the world, and there will be no point for UK.

the Miami Heat board has little or no posts this summer.

keep hatin fellas, otherwise, why would we need the forum?

Posted by Rich:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Rich:



It's a meaningless, self-serving statement that he made because he is trying to cut his ties, but he still wants his money. It's classless.



[Edited by - Rich on 09-29-2006 12:23 AM]

Oh so now when a player says something we don't take it for full-value? Alot of people on this board were all over quotes by Frye, by Nate, by Stephon, the list goes on about last year. Now that Mo Taylor says something, it doesnt count? Please.

Not just now, always. Everyone has an agenda, particularly a player who have an interest in dissing the franchise he wants to leave (with full pay) because he knows he won't get any PT in his walk year.

I think Nate and Frye have less of an agenda, but sure, everything Marbury says is suspect.

actually the first thought that came to my mind was what Rich is alluding to... Mo T knows he has no role on this team & he wants to cut ties & have them buy out his contract... but that doesn't make anything he said to be inaccurate either... he probably genuinely spoke what he feels in his heart, but the timing of it seems calculated to me.

Posted by TMS:
actually the first thought that came to my mind was what Rich is alluding to... Mo T knows he has no role on this team & he wants to cut ties & have them buy out his contract... but that doesn't make anything he said to be inaccurate either... he probably genuinely spoke what he feels in his heart, but the timing of it seems calculated to me.

the knicks are so transparent it's so easy to play them. if you want to get fired you talk bad about the roster. if you want to get traded you fight with marbury. if you want to get sent home to 'recover' you ask for an increased role. if you want to be signed by isiah score a lot of points against the knicks at msg. if you want to be mentored by isiah fawn all over him, carry a huge contract and act really immature. etc...

"I would play the young guys, too," Taylor said. "They're not trying to spite me. I'm not saying what they're doing is a bad thing. But it's bad for me. I'm a much better player than what you saw in New York."

That is the best quote I read from that article from Mo. That tells me that he is a credible person. We were a bad team since JVG left and LJ rode off to the sunset.

Good find Blue, that really throws out the talk about Mo being pissed because their trying to buy him out. Great find.

Posted by NYKBocker:

^ Absolutely. I hope this man lands on his feet and hooks up with a good team.

In God's name, why? Just cuz he critized an organization that deserves criticism?
Big Deal! Maybe he should focus on getting his own ass in shape so that he can
actually contribute to a team's success. As he himself admitted: he's part of the problem!

Posted by Bippity10:

The first player on this team that comes out and says it was our fault, we need to do whatever it takes to get better without eluding to LB should be elected captain, have a statue erected in their honor and will automatically become my favorite player(yes even if it's Stevie)

To me, what these guys say is meaningless. What matters is what they do on the court.