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9/13/2006  9:28 AM
Posted by wsdm:
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by islesfan:
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Sell em at cost, or even better at a loss to you, if you want to pretend that you're doing this great charitable thing by selling cheap sneakers.
How do you know he's not doing that?

"Asked how he can sell his items at such an unheard of price, Marbury simply states that it cost less than $14.98 to make them."

That's how.
No, that's how you know the company is making money off them. That does not tell you whether Marbury is making money or not.

So he knows the people he's in business with are making money but he just keeps on doing it for free?!?

Come on, that doesn't even pass the laugh test.

Yes it does. Hahahahaha. People will make up anything to defend their heroes.

A better question is in what poor country are Marbury's sneakers being made? They're probably costing 25 cents a shoe to make.
The fact that there's this much criticism about his charitable efforts suggests the critics are being more extreme than the supporters IMO. Maybe it's just better to agree to disagree on whether Marbury is a charitable guy.

Criticism? No. I don't care how much Marbury does or doesn't make on his sneakers. His charity is nice, but irrelevant to his play on the court. The only people who seem to care are the die-hard Marbury fans, and just to prove, "see, Marbs isn't that bad". If he helps the team win for a change, then he'll get credit. The off court stuff is fodder.
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9/13/2006  9:44 AM
Since this venture was launched he's taken to referring to himself as a businessman.

That's a businessman, not a philanthropist.

And anyone who's shopped at a Steven and Barry's knows that $14.99 is nothing special for them. Those are everyday prices for everyday items at that store.

If Marbury is lending his name to them for this endeavor, and that makes him a philanthropist, what does that make Steve and Barry themselves, who've utilized this business model to open dozens of stores across the country with MANY product lines that sell for under $10 an item?

It's making them rich is what it makes them.

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FWIW, I've shopped at Steve and Barry's. In fact I'm wearing a pair of their $6.99 chinos right now. I like the store, it's a great value, and in that way it's a value to the community, (even the affluent white ones they largely populate) the way, say, Papaya King's hotdogs are a great value and a service to the (often affluent) Manhattan community. But it ain't charity.

I tried on a pair of the flagship "Starbury's" in the home colors. I figured for $15 worst comes to worst I could wear them when I paint and the like. But I wear a size 13 and these were a bit tight and I doubt they even make a 14. And at that size these things, with their bulbous smooth white toe area, looked like a clown shoe, at least on a clown like me.

I passed on them. They smelled seriously of formaldehyde. These are no leather shoes. And the soles and insoles were horrible. Can't really complain about a $15 shoe, but quality wise I can do just as well at K-Mart, Target and the like. Great philanthropic institutions as they are....

[Edited by - blueSeats on 09-13-2006 09:55 AM]
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9/13/2006  9:51 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by wsdm:
Sell em at cost, or even better at a loss to you, if you want to pretend that you're doing this great charitable thing by selling cheap sneakers.
How do you know he's not doing that?

"Asked how he can sell his items at such an unheard of price, Marbury simply states that it cost less than $14.98 to make them."

That's how.
No, that's how you know the company is making money off them. That does not tell you whether Marbury is making money or not.

So he knows the people he's in business with are making money but he just keeps on doing it for free?!?

Come on, that doesn't even pass the laugh test.

Yes it does. Hahahahaha. People will make up anything to defend their heroes.

A better question is in what poor country are Marbury's sneakers being made? They're probably costing 25 cents a shoe to make.
The fact that there's this much criticism about his charitable efforts suggests the critics are being more extreme than the supporters IMO. Maybe it's just better to agree to disagree on whether Marbury is a charitable guy.

Criticism? No. I don't care how much Marbury does or doesn't make on his sneakers. His charity is nice, but irrelevant to his play on the court. The only people who seem to care are the die-hard Marbury fans, and just to prove, "see, Marbs isn't that bad". If he helps the team win for a change, then he'll get credit. The off court stuff is fodder.

I wasn't referring to you. I agree that what really matters is on the court performance but I still respect him for his charitable work (even if you don't count the shoes as charity).
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9/13/2006  11:37 AM
Posted by islesfan:

I guess kids in wheelchairs aren't a part of his sneakers target market.

Hmmm doing yet another promotional tour for his sneakers, or help kids in wheelchairs? What an arsehole. Just another reason to despise him.

This is insane! You guys are now ripping Marbury for skipping one charity for tending to another charitable event. Amazing! When does the hate stop? Negative energy is wasted energy. Islesfan Chillax!

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9/13/2006  12:11 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Since this venture was launched he's taken to referring to himself as a businessman.

That's a businessman, not a philanthropist.

And anyone who's shopped at a Steven and Barry's knows that $14.99 is nothing special for them. Those are everyday prices for everyday items at that store.

If Marbury is lending his name to them for this endeavor, and that makes him a philanthropist, what does that make Steve and Barry themselves, who've utilized this business model to open dozens of stores across the country with MANY product lines that sell for under $10 an item?

It's making them rich is what it makes them.

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FWIW, I've shopped at Steve and Barry's. In fact I'm wearing a pair of their $6.99 chinos right now. I like the store, it's a great value, and in that way it's a value to the community, (even the affluent white ones they largely populate) the way, say, Papaya King's hotdogs are a great value and a service to the (often affluent) Manhattan community. But it ain't charity.

I tried on a pair of the flagship "Starbury's" in the home colors. I figured for $15 worst comes to worst I could wear them when I paint and the like. But I wear a size 13 and these were a bit tight and I doubt they even make a 14. And at that size these things, with their bulbous smooth white toe area, looked like a clown shoe, at least on a clown like me.

I passed on them. They smelled seriously of formaldehyde. These are no leather shoes. And the soles and insoles were horrible. Can't really complain about a $15 shoe, but quality wise I can do just as well at K-Mart, Target and the like. Great philanthropic institutions as they are....

[Edited by - blueSeats on 09-13-2006 09:55 AM]

This post should automatically be stickied and referenced whenever anybody tries to confuse Marbury's sneaker business as a charitable endeavor.
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9/13/2006  10:58 PM
The guy is running around thinking he is Freaking Robinhood selling stuff made by 7 year olds to sell to our lower middle class!

Shlockbury!
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9/13/2006  11:36 PM
Shlockbury - shlock ness monster
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9/13/2006  11:47 PM
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Shlockbury - shlock ness monster


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9/13/2006  11:57 PM
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is running around thinking he is Freaking Robinhood selling stuff made by 7 year olds to sell to our lower middle class!

Shlockbury!

Only in NY do you get so much hate for your own players. Steph is trying to make money, but at the same time make things affordable for the avg lower income family. What's wrong with that? Most of you guys SUCK in terms of having any kind of sense of fairness when it comes to Steph!!!! What did Steph ever do to any of you to make you hate him so much, that you can't even be objective when it comes to his clearly being a charitable person?

What a bunch of FREAKIN IDIOTS!!! Why don't you guys go root for the NJ Nets!
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9/14/2006  12:00 AM
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9/14/2006  12:02 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is running around thinking he is Freaking Robinhood selling stuff made by 7 year olds to sell to our lower middle class!

Shlockbury!

Only in NY do you get so much hate for your own players. Steph is trying to make money, but at the same time make things affordable for the avg lower income family. What's wrong with that? Most of you guys SUCK in terms of having any kind of sense of fairness when it comes to Steph!!!! What did Steph ever do to any of you to make you hate him so much, that you can't even be objective when it comes to his clearly being a charitable person?

What a bunch of FREAKIN IDIOTS!!! Why don't you guys go root for the NJ Nets!

You should read this.

Originally posted by BlueSeats:

Since this venture was launched he's taken to referring to himself as a businessman.
That's a businessman, not a philanthropist.

And anyone who's shopped at a Steven and Barry's knows that $14.99 is nothing special for them. Those are everyday prices for everyday items at that store.

If Marbury is lending his name to them for this endeavor, and that makes him a philanthropist, what does that make Steve and Barry themselves, who've utilized this business model to open dozens of stores across the country with MANY product lines that sell for under $10 an item?

It's making them rich is what it makes them.

-------

FWIW, I've shopped at Steve and Barry's. In fact I'm wearing a pair of their $6.99 chinos right now. I like the store, it's a great value, and in that way it's a value to the community, (even the affluent white ones they largely populate) the way, say, Papaya King's hotdogs are a great value and a service to the (often affluent) Manhattan community. But it ain't charity.

I tried on a pair of the flagship "Starbury's" in the home colors. I figured for $15 worst comes to worst I could wear them when I paint and the like. But I wear a size 13 and these were a bit tight and I doubt they even make a 14. And at that size these things, with their bulbous smooth white toe area, looked like a clown shoe, at least on a clown like me.

I passed on them. They smelled seriously of formaldehyde. These are no leather shoes. And the soles and insoles were horrible. Can't really complain about a $15 shoe, but quality wise I can do just as well at K-Mart, Target and the like. Great philanthropic institutions as they are....

[Edited by - blueSeats on 09-13-2006 09:55 AM]

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9/14/2006  12:03 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by islesfan:

I guess kids in wheelchairs aren't a part of his sneakers target market.

Hmmm doing yet another promotional tour for his sneakers, or help kids in wheelchairs? What an arsehole. Just another reason to despise him.

No. Really just another reason to despise you.

That hurts Killa.
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9/14/2006  12:03 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is running around thinking he is Freaking Robinhood selling stuff made by 7 year olds to sell to our lower middle class!

Shlockbury!

Only in NY do you get so much hate for your own players. Steph is trying to make money, but at the same time make things affordable for the avg lower income family. What's wrong with that? Most of you guys SUCK in terms of having any kind of sense of fairness when it comes to Steph!!!! What did Steph ever do to any of you to make you hate him so much, that you can't even be objective when it comes to his clearly being a charitable person?

What a bunch of FREAKIN IDIOTS!!! Why don't you guys go root for the NJ Nets!

Oh please. Don't come onto this board and start telling people who to root for, EVERYONE HERE IS A KNICK FAN, even if they don't agree with you. Hard to believe I know. If no one likes Marbury, why do you care? What makes you care at all if people on this board like him or not. Just becuase you like him doesn't mean everyone else has to and that doesnt mean their not Knick fans if they don't like him. So please cut that **** out.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-14-2006 12:05 AM]
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9/14/2006  12:11 AM
Its incredible how when it comes to discrediting Marbury, now things get factored in like alleged child labor, sweat shop conditions, and the cost of the means of production.

We live in a capitalist society, the people who take seriously these issues are sweatshop activists, as well as those who put this issue into the broader context of why capitalism is inherent;y flawed, communists/socialists, etc.

The irony is that the same people who will bend over backwards to discredit Marbury for missing a charity event, are the same 'free-thinkers' who probably stand on the side of a highway with a "God hates fags" sign [/hyperbole] but thanks for putting on your leftist hats to remind us how Marbury is the reason those kids were in wheelchairs in the first place.

I only wish something other than Marbury's evil aura could force you same bozos to be critical of capitalism when it isn't connected to him.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 09-14-2006 12:12 AM]
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9/14/2006  12:39 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Nalod:

The guy is running around thinking he is Freaking Robinhood selling stuff made by 7 year olds to sell to our lower middle class!

Shlockbury!

Only in NY do you get so much hate for your own players. Steph is trying to make money, but at the same time make things affordable for the avg lower income family. What's wrong with that? Most of you guys SUCK in terms of having any kind of sense of fairness when it comes to Steph!!!! What did Steph ever do to any of you to make you hate him so much, that you can't even be objective when it comes to his clearly being a charitable person?

What a bunch of FREAKIN IDIOTS!!! Why don't you guys go root for the NJ Nets!

Oh please. Don't come onto this board and start telling people who to root for, EVERYONE HERE IS A KNICK FAN, even if they don't agree with you. Hard to believe I know. If no one likes Marbury, why do you care? What makes you care at all if people on this board like him or not. Just becuase you like him doesn't mean everyone else has to and that doesnt mean their not Knick fans if they don't like him. So please cut that **** out.
[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-14-2006 12:05 AM]

PLEASE you guys don't like him cuz its fashionable. The Media says he's a bad guy and you lame ducks fall right in line. Typical NY fans who hate on their own players. You were probably the same guys who booed Ewing and never really appreciated him til he was gone. FREAKIN PATHETIC! Just because you come here and post doesn't mean that your all diehard fans of the team.

Tell me what did Steph ever do that should make you guys dislike him so much? Just because he's overly confident in himself and when asked he gives an honest answer of how he feels? Is it because he has a rough Brooklyn personality and expresses himself in typical NY street kid vernacular? What exactly is it that has you guys clearly not supporting him as YOUR TEAM'S BEST PLAYER? I could see if he did something particularly egregious, like rape or drug possession. Tell me what is this great sin that Steph commited for you guys to bash him so much?

Are you blaming him for the team not winning over the last 2.5 seasons? Is that a good reason for making desparaging remarks about his charitable works? WHAT JOKE!
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9/14/2006  1:07 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Its incredible how when it comes to discrediting Marbury, now things get factored in like alleged child labor, sweat shop conditions, and the cost of the means of production.

We live in a capitalist society, the people who take seriously these issues are sweatshop activists, as well as those who put this issue into the broader context of why capitalism is inherent;y flawed, communists/socialists, etc.

The irony is that the same people who will bend over backwards to discredit Marbury for missing a charity event, are the same 'free-thinkers' who probably stand on the side of a highway with a "God hates fags" sign [/hyperbole] but thanks for putting on your leftist hats to remind us how Marbury is the reason those kids were in wheelchairs in the first place.

I only wish something other than Marbury's evil aura could force you same bozos to be critical of capitalism when it isn't connected to him.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 09-14-2006 12:12 AM]



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9/14/2006  1:37 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Its incredible how when it comes to discrediting Marbury, now things get factored in like alleged child labor, sweat shop conditions, and the cost of the means of production.

We live in a capitalist society, the people who take seriously these issues are sweatshop activists, as well as those who put this issue into the broader context of why capitalism is inherent;y flawed, communists/socialists, etc.

The irony is that the same people who will bend over backwards to discredit Marbury for missing a charity event, are the same 'free-thinkers' who probably stand on the side of a highway with a "God hates fags" sign [/hyperbole] but thanks for putting on your leftist hats to remind us how Marbury is the reason those kids were in wheelchairs in the first place.

I only wish something other than Marbury's evil aura could force you same bozos to be critical of capitalism when it isn't connected to him.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 09-14-2006 12:12 AM]

Who has a problem with Marbury making a buck? I for one don't (well I do have a problem with him stealing $20M of the Knicks cap for 5 years but that's for another thread). But I do have a problem with Marbury's business being confused with charitable works. Especially when it's Marbury himself that seems to be confusing the two and trying to take philanthropic credit for it.

You Marbury supporters are even admitting that he's doing it to make money. He blew off a real charity event so that he could sell more sneakers and make money. So what is it that you don't agree about that? It pretty much speaks for itself.
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9/14/2006  3:54 AM
He blew off a real charity event so that he could sell more sneakers and make money
What you seem to be missing is that most humans blow off charity so they can make money every day and never once do any charity, though. Marbury at least does more than his fair share of charity even if he blew off one event.
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9/14/2006  9:17 AM
Posted by nixluva:


PLEASE you guys don't like him cuz its fashionable. The Media says he's a bad guy and you lame ducks fall right in line. Typical NY fans who hate on their own players. You were probably the same guys who booed Ewing and never really appreciated him til he was gone. FREAKIN PATHETIC! Just because you come here and post doesn't mean that your all diehard fans of the team.

Tell me what did Steph ever do that should make you guys dislike him so much? Just because he's overly confident in himself and when asked he gives an honest answer of how he feels? Is it because he has a rough Brooklyn personality and expresses himself in typical NY street kid vernacular? What exactly is it that has you guys clearly not supporting him as YOUR TEAM'S BEST PLAYER? I could see if he did something particularly egregious, like rape or drug possession. Tell me what is this great sin that Steph commited for you guys to bash him so much?

Are you blaming him for the team not winning over the last 2.5 seasons? Is that a good reason for making desparaging remarks about his charitable works? WHAT JOKE!

What a joke. Get off your god damn high-horse and let people voice their own damn opinions. Just becuase you don't agree with their opinions doesn't mean you can start calling people out up and down this forum. You'd be better off ignoring these things when people talk bad about your boy.
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Great point WSDM! That's what the "hater's" are missing..why are you all so stuck on what he HASN'T done. What about the good things he HAS done. Its asinine. These sneakers are not the only way he's try to make a difference. He's donated money and time to plenty of charities. And in reference to the sneakers, Marbury is not the only one associated with producing the sneakers. So even if he WANTED to sell them for free, he would couldn't. He is not the person MAKING the shoes. He'd have to at least make enough money to pay the other people involved you nuts. You go try mass producing a product and then "sell" it for free. Your idea has to pass through many channels (with a cost) before it's put onto a shelf. I'm sure not everyone along that line would feel as charitable as you. The point is he could have sold the shoes for much more than he did but he didn't. And he could have marketed them to a store like Foot Locker who would have probably required more profit (hence the sneakers being more the $15) but he didn't. Give the guy credit when it's due.
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