Posted by franco12:

Posted by fishmike:

TMS I dont like it. Not because of getting burned on Curry, but I think Curry is an important piece to have, especially if we are commited to any combo of Marbury, Francis and Nate. Those 3 are great at getting to the rim above all other things, and Curry is great at put back dunks and crashing the offensive boards. Remember Nazr's big games scoring 20 points and havine a handfull of 15-20 rebound games? He got those just following the gaurds to the basket. I think Curry is big piece if we are going to make that kind of formula work.

In an unrelated thought I would trade Frye for a defender/rebounder at the 4, as I think thats a better fit for the above thought. Say Sheldon Williams

Don't you think Dalembert would be better at following up missed shots on the offensive end than Curry?

Like I said, Isiah should go weight curry and if his weight is over a certain amount- whatever that is- trade him.

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.

Has nothing to do with stats, my friend. Did you watch the games last year?
He disrupted the flow constantly with bad turnovers and terrible shots.
Not asking him to score, but if he is out there just to defend/rebound/dirty work,
then he should flat out not be shooting or handling the ball, because he
kills momentum every time he does. He was *painful* to watch.

Posted by BigC:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.

Has nothing to do with stats, my friend. Did you watch the games last year?
He disrupted the flow constantly with bad turnovers and terrible shots.
Not asking him to score, but if he is out there just to defend/rebound/dirty work,
then he should flat out not be shooting or handling the ball, because he
kills momentum every time he does. He was *painful* to watch.

Exactly! Malik was horrible. I rather watch reruns of Mash and Homeboys in outter Space than watch Malik in a game.

And this is exactly the reason why James Dolan keeps bringing in players like Stephon Marbury because fans would rather watch a flashy player than a player that will do the little things that win championships even though they don't sell jerseys or tickets.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by BigC:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.

What presence? Malik was a non-factor on the defensive an offensive end last season on our team. He got probably as many charges or less than Mo Taylor. There was not a player in the entire last year that I saw Malik play good defense on. And I am not going to talk about the crap he tried to pull on the offensive end.

Jokey Smurf could had played better D than Malik last season.




[Edited by - BigC on 08-16-2006 9:01 PM]

Did you read that? I said ON THE SPURS!!!! The argument that was taking place was that Malik has been a loser and didn't contribute to the Spurs titles.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by BigC:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.

Has nothing to do with stats, my friend. Did you watch the games last year?
He disrupted the flow constantly with bad turnovers and terrible shots.
Not asking him to score, but if he is out there just to defend/rebound/dirty work,
then he should flat out not be shooting or handling the ball, because he
kills momentum every time he does. He was *painful* to watch.

Exactly! Malik was horrible. I rather watch reruns of Mash and Homeboys in outter Space than watch Malik in a game.

And this is exactly the reason why James Dolan keeps bringing in players like Stephon Marbury because fans would rather watch a flashy player than a player that will do the little things that win championships even though they don't sell jerseys or tickets.

In case you don't know. I am one of the biggest Marbury haters you can find. Also I have been ripping this team like everyone else. However this is a good trade. I don't what Webber because I think he is going to help us win a title. I want Webber because his contract expires in two years. We can clear contracts and get rid of players we don't need. Webber with bad knees gives 10 rebounds and he as a big man that passes the ball!

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by BigC:


I did read it, however when you and the +, but I thought you were referring to the Knicks. You have to admit Malik did a poor job last year. I was a guy just like you that liked what Malik did on the Spurs' second title run. However he does not do well on our team.

I would pull this Webber trade in a heartbeat. Not so much that I think Webber is so great, but Webber is a good leader to have on our team. He already knows Isiah and was coached by him. Webber can influence players to spread the ball around or he will get in their faces.


Not to mention we can get rid of players that we don't need.

Your right Malik was poor last year, I have no problem with that, but for anyone to say that he's a loser and didn't contribute to the spurs title is just being ignorant. He is the epitamy of a role player and only good teams have a real use for role players, the Knicks weren't a good team last year and it limited Malik's effectiveness. That was my argument.

Theres no doubt I want Chris Webber. I wanted him when Sacramento began shopping him 2 years ago and I still want him now. I made several posts in the original Webber thread and earlier in this one with my feelings about Webber. He'd be more than a great fit here in NY.

I think you and I are on the same page!

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by BigC:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by BigC:


I did read it, however when you and the +, but I thought you were referring to the Knicks. You have to admit Malik did a poor job last year. I was a guy just like you that liked what Malik did on the Spurs' second title run. However he does not do well on our team.

I would pull this Webber trade in a heartbeat. Not so much that I think Webber is so great, but Webber is a good leader to have on our team. He already knows Isiah and was coached by him. Webber can influence players to spread the ball around or he will get in their faces.


Not to mention we can get rid of players that we don't need.

Your right Malik was poor last year, I have no problem with that, but for anyone to say that he's a loser and didn't contribute to the spurs title is just being ignorant. He is the epitamy of a role player and only good teams have a real use for role players, the Knicks weren't a good team last year and it limited Malik's effectiveness. That was my argument.

Theres no doubt I want Chris Webber. I wanted him when Sacramento began shopping him 2 years ago and I still want him now. I made several posts in the original Webber thread and earlier in this one with my feelings about Webber. He'd be more than a great fit here in NY.

I think you and I are on the same page!

It took a few posts but we're there!

lol

Can you believe I was at a wedding reception 2 weeks ago and starting going back and foward arguing about the Knicks?

Posted by lovespree:

Who said anything about Malik not contributing to the Spurs title? I don't think I read that on this post. If you were refering to me, my comment was based on his performance as a Knick. I could care less what he did on the Spurs. He can't live off of that effort for ever. My assesetment is based on his perfomance as a Knick. He sucked. He was the epitamy of a role player - before he came to NY. Last year he was not. Role players make a difference - at some point in the game wether on offense or on defense. Malik did neither. He was not a good role player for the Knicks last year. That has nothing to do with the type of player he was in San Antonio.

Becuase he has a ring that makes him good. Who cares what he did before he got here. He sucks now. And just becuase you have a ring doesn't make you good. Bench players on Championship teams get rings. What does that have to do with anything?