Posted by VDesai:

BTW, I don't care what he averages if he plays excellent D, rebounds and is a ball mover on O who doesn't kill possessions. By that I mean a player who cuts his turnovers down to 1 or less, shoots about 50% from the field and 70% from the line and makes good decisions passing the ball.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by VDesai:

BTW, I don't care what he averages if he plays excellent D, rebounds and is a ball mover on O who doesn't kill possessions. By that I mean a player who cuts his turnovers down to 1 or less, shoots about 50% from the field and 70% from the line and makes good decisions passing the ball.

70% from the line?!? He's a career 59% shooter and shot over 60% over two years ago(61%). I can see him as a 12, 6, couple steals, half a block guy with good man to man D here. His free throw shooting (unless he drastically improves) is gonna limit his scoring. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jared_jeffries/index.html

[Edited by - joec32033 on 08-09-2006 09:14 AM]

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by martin:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by Marv:

it's not just about jeffries. it's the whole picture. what did you think would happen when we got tthomas? crawford? qrich? curry? jalen? francis? did you say all tlhe same things then that you're saying now about jeffries? not seeing any pattern here?

Marv - it's been about adding young pieces while not being allowed to tank by Dolan. Crawford was the first piece. (Ariza came next before he went off alone in the horror movie that was Larry Brown - RIP, trev). Frye, Lee, Nate came next. Then Curry. Then Balkman and Collins. Then Jeffries. That's 8 talented, young players since August 2004. 8 young players in exactly two years. They compliment each other, they're long, athletic and smart. Seriously, do you not see a plan there?

The plan has been confusing because in the same time period Jerome James, Jalen Rose, Stevie Francis, MoT, Malik have also stopped in.

The team has gotten younger and more athletic. Smarter? Don't know about that. That's BB IQ, right? There may not be such a thing so you had better stay away from that discussion. Same with athletic, that's not very measureable and no real concrete test for it. Younger we can verify, so it's safe to discuss.

there's no concrete way to test someone's athleticism? that's a new one. I guess this is how you guys talk yourselves past Marcus Williams finishing last in the draft combine?

look, bball IQ is fine and dandy, but there are different ways to play the game and be successful. my problem is with using it out of context or to insinuate something else. I still haven't heard a definition from anyone. athleticism is how high can you jump, how fast can you run, how quick are you. what's bball IQ? and was everyone on here using it the exact same way?

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by eViL:

Posted by crzymdups:

I still haven't heard a definition from anyone. athleticism is how high can you jump, how fast can you run, how quick are you. what's bball IQ? and was everyone on here using it the exact same way?

Basketball IQ is not arguing with the ref on one side of the court while the man you are supposed to be guarding is draining a go ahead three pointer with a few seconds left in the game.

No, BB IQ is having 40-plus different starting lineups and the idea of starting players based on their hometown is pure-unalderterated-off the charts genuis...