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I'm extremely happy with the Jeffries signing. His signing gives me faith for this year because he will D-up on anyone in the league and he will do a good job of it. This also settles me because I know Isiah is looking at defense and making sure these Knicks will play defense this coming year. I think alot of you will be surprised with Jared's offense in this Isiah scheme, he's going to really perform very well offensively in it, you can bank on it. First time I'm saying the following line

Great job Isiah.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-08-2006 10:13 AM]

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Bonzi is an obsolete, undersized, small forward with baggage

Who is a better option than anyone we have.

Balkman is a budding track man who can play three positions

Oh...so he's an athlete. Great. 3 positions? At 210 he isn't getting anywhere near PF, and he barely makes weight at SF.

Lee is a power forward with decent instincts for the ball

Who started at SF during our win streak and averaged like 9 rebounds per game from that spot during that time.

>Plays both the 3 and the 4, but he is does not truly fit into either one of those positions

6'5 also makes PJ a defensive liablity matching up in the much taller NBA. He sounds like a two guard.

Is he better than Jamal Crawford?

You really thing Balkman is 6-8? From S/L he looked closer to 6-6. the difference is PJ is carrying 225 of sculpted muscle while Balkman is barely 210.

Better than Jamal, I don't know, but I would say more well rounded because he is a pit bull on defense.

>>An interior player at 6-5

JoeC - howe many 6'5 interior players are there in the NBA?

This ain't college.

C'mon dude.

Get with the program

In the past Barkley was 6-4, LJ was 6-5, Bonzi is a 6-5 power player, Q posted up well at 6-6, Mark Jackson and Gary Payton were two of the better post up guards at under 6-4, Mason was an interior player at 6-5(even though he is listed taller), Ryan Gomez is 6-5, Harpering is a 6-7 power player, Aaron McKie was a solid 6-5 interior player...At 6-8 does Ben WALLACE HAVE any business being what he is? Size isn't everything.

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8/8/2006 10:18 AM

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by Rich:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/knicks_wiz_kid_knicks_fred_kerber.htm
"He helps them with size and athleticism," one opposing team exec offered of Jeffries. "If they keep their rotation the same and everyone is determined to make Larry (Brown) look bad, they'll have a successful season."

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8/8/2006 10:19 AM

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contrary to popular belief, I am not posting under both rvhoss and nixluva

But nixluva echos my sentiments exactly.

If you look at isiah's moves in the long term (not in the this year or next, but long term) they have all been above average.

The book is still out on JJ and Curry, but I'm going all in on those moves as well.

Posted by nixluva:

There is NOTHING wrong with what Isiah has done with this roster over the last 2 years. Every move hasn't been perfect, but overall he's been VERY GOOD.

Last summer we need size and he got us Curry, Frye, Lee and james!!! Rank on James all you like, but he's a big body and we didn't have anyone like that. Now he's marginalized so that he can't hurt us. He's 6 fouls that can be used to help deal with a guy like Shaq. He got read the riot act and will likely come in to camp in better shape.

This year we needed defenders and Isiah got us that. We really don't have many weaknesses now. Sure we don't have a PURE deep shooter, but the guys we have aren't slouches either. Jamal and Nate can hit from deep and WILL provide that this year. If QRich can stay healthy he also can hit some shots. With our new offense we won't have to be a great perimeter team just decent and I think Steph and Francis will be more relaxed when they haven't been told NOT to shoot the 3.

But that's OK, some of you guys keep doubting this team, cuz you're gonna be in for a shock this year. Wait until you see Steph and Francis playing loose and doing what they do best. We're talking about guys who can play at an All Star level when they're not being held back. Contrary to what some may think there will be plenty of shots to go around, since this team won't be looking to slow it down and limit possessions like LB wanted. We'll be looking to keep the tempo high and increase the number of possessions a game. Last year showed one thing and that was this team plays better at a higher tempo. 15 of the 23 wins came when we hit 100 pts. Now this doesn't mean we're gonna play careless ball with no defense so don't go starting that crap either.

We'll just try to win games a different way than LB wanted. LB is a HORRIBLE offensive coach and if he can't have a team that defends at a high level he can't win. That's not the case for every coach. Mike D'Antoni is one guy who does it a bit different. Sure they play D, but its their offense that is the strength of the team. If Amare and KT were healthy they might have made it to the Finals with that style and bit better D. We will be a similar team tho with a different offensive style. We'll play D, but our offense will be our biggest weapon.

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8/8/2006 10:20 AM

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Forget the fact that one aspect of Isiah's new offense (well, new to the knicks) is incorporating the Indiana Passing offense, which jeffries is well versed in.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm extremely happy with the Jeffries signing. His signing gives me faith for this year because he will D-up on anyone in the league and he will do a good job of it. This also settles me because I know Isiah is looking at defense and making sure these Knicks will play defense this coming year. I think alot of you will be surprised with Jared's offense in this Isiah scheme, he's going to really perform very well offensively in it, you can bank on it. First time I'm saying the following line Great job Isiah.

Edit: I may have mis defined the aspect of the indiana offense being incorporated (it may be UCLA passing and indiana something or other, but the indiana roots are there).

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8/8/2006 10:33 AM

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JoeC - all the playuers you listed as 6'5 "power players" played a decade ago.

Welcome to 2006 and a new set of matchup problems

Bonzi is so obsolete it ain't even funny

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8/8/2006 10:35 AM

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I like it too. Its overpaying yes, but like I said before its only overpaying with cash, as opposed to overpaying in prospects, draft picks, position, roster flexibility, etc.
If we could get rid of Isiah real blunders in Jerome, Mo T and Francis the team might be watchable.

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Size Matters When you Gotta Guard Paul Pierce and Dirk

>>In the past (in the PAST) Barkley was 6-4, LJ was 6-5, Bonzi is a 6-5 power player, Q posted up well at 6-6, Mark Jackson and Gary Payton were two of the better post up guards at under 6-4, Mason was an interior player at 6-5(even though he is listed taller), Ryan Gomez is 6-5, Harpering is a 6-7 power player, Aaron McKie was a solid 6-5 interior player...

this ain't 1996

>>At 6-8 does Ben WALLACE HAVE any business being what he is?

Chicago?

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8/8/2006 10:39 AM

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fish.mike - Steve Francis is not a blunder

Jerome? - we'll see how he reports to training camp

Mo Taylor - hey, no one is perfect

Do you like the all 6'11 frontcourt (plus David Lee) or what?

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8/8/2006 10:49 AM

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Nixluva: Constantly looking for improvements is not doubting. Get over it.

Until we are championship level we must continue to look to improve. And even then.........Right now like I said I like the front court. It's funny how some biotched and moaned for guys like Jeffries to play d and not demand the ball. We were called pessimists and doubters. We questioned why Isiah had not targeted these guys. Now he goes out and does it and all of a sudden those that called us pessimists and doubters are praising the signing. These are the moves we've been calling for and it's about time we started going after these guys instead of guys that demand the ball.

Now there is a new call. We need a beefy rebounder up front that can guard the post, rebound and block shots. For now I think Jerome and Malik come the closest but we can do better than both. It alsow wouldn't hurt to have a designated sharp shooter who doesn't demand minutes up front. Not saying this is the guy we need but I'm talkinga bout a Pat Garrity type. That leaves Jalen as obsolete and gives Balkman time to develop naturally.

In the backcourt we need better defensive pressure without the shotblocker behind. With Marbs and Craw. Or Marbs and Francis or anyother combination we don't have this. Can Q guard the two? Maybe. Back is obviously a worry. But a combinatiion of these two and another two way player would be ideal. What would eventually put us over the top is a superstar at the two that can go both ways, but a lot of teams are saying that. But it's time for us to start putting ourselves in position to acquire this.

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8/8/2006 10:51 AM

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After that the next thing to work on is team attitude

I just hope that people will like me

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Bippity - there is nothing about team attitude that a few spirited practices with Renaldo Balkman, assistant coach Malik Rose and Nate Robinson cannot fix

The backcourt of the future is Crawford and Collins

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Posted by misterearl:

Bippity - there is nothing about team attitude that a few spirited practices with Renaldo Balkman, assistant coach Malik Rose and Nate Robinson cannot fix

The backcourt of the future is Crawford and Collins

cause a rook and 2 of the same guys from last year who didn't really make a difference can certainly outweigh the storm that is Franbury, James, MoT, and Jalen. It'll be fun to watch either way.

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martin yes, bippity yes.

MoT seems to be the biggest trouble maker, but you never know...

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The biggest thing the knicks need to do now is clear out the glut of mediocre players they have at the back end of the rotation. let taylor and jalen expire, try to get rid of malik and one of the guards (preferably francis) in a two for one deal, and just let balkman and collins/nate develop in spot minutes. go with an 8/9 man rotation of marbury, crawford, q rich, jeffries, frye, lee, curry, and nate (and potentially the guy we get back in the francis trade) with balkman/collins getting in the game if they are coming along well in spot minutes.

and i don't see how someone who put up a solid 14 and 8 last season, and 23/12 in the playoffs is obsolete.

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I think bonzi is obsolete on the knicks.
I agreed with some of the guys, but reading deeper it's not a 100% agreement.
I think now it's let expirings expire and trade francis or Q.
With Q's bad blood with marbury, he feels like the odd man out, but I prefer Q.
MRose, no idea what he's thinking...imagine he get's traded for jackie b. lol

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I have no idea why people think Collins is an NBA player. Frank Williams has more talent, but cool

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