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Allanfan20
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8/6/2006  1:29 AM
Curry is a kid and just like Jermain in Indiana; things will one day click and you will see a very different player.

My man, that's what we all hope and pray for, but the problem is, what's the definition of just clicking? Is he going to come into camp, in shape, every season for now on? Is going to learn to pass out of the double and is he gonna learn how to not barrel into the defender for an obvious offensive foul, once every 1.5 times? Is he gonna start getting back on D, learn to play it and make the commitment and God forbid, block some shots? Maaaaan, we can all dream, but it's hard to tell if ANY of that will happen.
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8/6/2006  1:41 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Curry is a kid and just like Jermain in Indiana; things will one day click and you will see a very different player.

My man, that's what we all hope and pray for, but the problem is, what's the definition of just clicking? Is he going to come into camp, in shape, every season for now on? Is going to learn to pass out of the double and is he gonna learn how to not barrel into the defender for an obvious offensive foul, once every 1.5 times? Is he gonna start getting back on D, learn to play it and make the commitment and God forbid, block some shots? Maaaaan, we can all dream, but it's hard to tell if ANY of that will happen.

For two years I suffered through Kurt Thomas's lapses and stupid fouls... it is unbelievable how everyone forgets in hindsight....
Curry can only get better from here on in... you need to remember that this kid is really young... could have been drafted this year...

He didn't come into camp in good shape last year because he had didn't want to risk injury while he was hoping to negotiate a deal... this year he will be in much better shape and will surprise you...
He can only get better.

[Edited by - colorfl1 on 08-06-2006 03:52 AM]
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8/6/2006  1:53 AM
Don't forget the first two years of the Kurt Thomas era... no offensive game... constant fouls, both on offense and on D and he had an inflated sense of his woth... and then one day he matured, stopped getting injured, got built and just got it... a decent mid range jumper, tenacious D, and solid rebounding... he was at least 27 at the time... Curry is what? 24?... Please, this kid has a lot more upside than you give him credit for...

I expect Curry to one day just get it; I sure hope that day is soon...

[Edited by - colorfl1 on 08-06-2006 03:55 AM]
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8/6/2006  4:16 AM
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Curry's main problem lies between his ears. He's a slow learner who doesn't think well on his feet. That wasn't the case with Kurt.
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8/6/2006  9:24 AM
Posted by colorfl1:

Don't forget the first two years of the Kurt Thomas era... no offensive game... constant fouls, both on offense and on D and he had an inflated sense of his woth... and then one day he matured, stopped getting injured, got built and just got it... a decent mid range jumper, tenacious D, and solid rebounding... he was at least 27 at the time... Curry is what? 24?... Please, this kid has a lot more upside than you give him credit for...

I expect Curry to one day just get it; I sure hope that day is soon...

Real Big Men tend to develop real slow... My fear with Curry is that he doesn't have any nastiness to his game... he is just too nice a guy, doesn't demand the ball enough and does intimidate on D... he needs to get some of Lee, Robak and Nate to rub off on him and he'll be alright... look how impressively Crawford matured last year... sometimes with young kids you just don't know when it will click...

It is certain that Aguire will not be training Butler anymore(''); so it will be all Curry all the time... that could turn into a positive.
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8/6/2006  9:51 AM
Islesfan - you make me laugh

Jared Jeffries, David Lee and Channing Frye compose a bright combination of yoot, size, complimentary skills and intelligence.

People, like you, who insist on maintaning their personal anti-Knicks agenda will always refuse to acknowledge anything positive because there is ALWAYS something wrong. Your redundant, transparent and negative agenda is not only predictable - your "Johnny one-note" act is tired.

One more thing, fugeddabout the 60M - it ain't your money.

The Knicks frontcourt just got better

That is good news

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2006 09:54 AM]
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8/6/2006  10:02 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Islesfan - you make me laugh

Jared Jeffries, David Lee and Channing Frye compose a bright combination of yoot, size, complimentary skills and intelligence.

People, like you, who insist on maintaning their personal anti-Knicks agenda will always refuse to acknowledge anything positive because there is ALWAYS something wrong. Your redundant, transparent and negative agenda is not only predictable - your "Johnny one-note" act is tired.

One more thing, fugeddabout the 60M - it ain't your money.

The Knicks frontcourt just got better

That is good news

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2006 09:54 AM]


How do you know it got better they haven't won one game yet. Shouldn't we just wait for the season instead of looking at everything on paper. I mean the Knicks last year looked like a killer team and the only thing they killed was their fans.

As far as the amount the KNicks pay their players I really don't care much for the cap and all. Because Isiah has been getting players here. So the Free Agent market isn't all that important to the Knicks. The real good superstar players usually get traded or they resign with their team.

[Edited by - Vmart on 08-06-2006 10:05 AM]
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8/6/2006  10:15 AM
>>How do you know it got better they haven't won one game yet?

Jeffries provides the much-needed length at a critical position which most teams have created an significant advantage over the Knicks - skill forward.

Finally, the Knicks have someone to match up with Paul Pierce. Someone with versatility, court intelligence and awareness. All the tangible and intangible things that we love David Lee for in his 6.8 skill-set.

I don't see any reason to NOT be optimistic.

Nah, lets just hang our heads and complain some more

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2006 10:16 AM]
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8/6/2006  10:28 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>>How do you know it got better they haven't won one game yet?

Jeffries provides the much-needed length at a critical position which most teams have created an significant advantage over the Knicks - skill forward.

Finally, the Knicks have someone to match up with Paul Pierce. Someone with versatility, court intelligence and awareness. All the tangible and intangible things that we love David Lee for in his 6.8 skill-set.

I don't see any reason to NOT be optimistic.

Nah, lets just hang our heads and complain some more

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2006 10:16 AM]

Jeffries only plus is his length and that has nothing to do with skill. Teams still have a significant advantage over the Knicks at the SF spot.

Jeffries isn't a lockdown man to man defender. He's a good help defender so I'm pretty sure Paul Pierce will sleep pretty damn well the night before he plays the Knicks.

"It's not your money" is BY FAR the dumbest argument, if you can even call it that, ever put out there on this board. By anyone other than by rvhoss of course.
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8/6/2006  10:46 AM
>>Teams still have a significant advantage over the Knicks at the SF spot.

The US Olympic team had an advantage over the rest of the world at every position as well. The Knicks IMPROVED the small forward position by acquiring a high first round draft pick player who is an unquestionable upgrade at the position.


There is no such thing as a "lockdown man on man defender"

Lockdown?

You mean like holding Kobe under 15 points?

Lebron under 16?

Pierce under 14?

Pitching a shutout?

That is just another vague term like "quality start" that cannot be quantified.

Lock down defender my butt.

Islesfan, no matter how ridiculous the phrase may sound to your highly trained ears... "It ain't your money" is not an "argument"...

It's a fact Jack

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2006 10:50 AM]
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8/6/2006  10:48 AM
Hey Misterearl the Thomas led Knick could have a perfect season and there still will be so-called Knick fans finding some fault. The SF spot has been an issue for quite sometime now with the advent of the LBJ, Anthony, CV, Dirk, Pierce who can shoot over big SG playing SF like Q, we need to match up with these guys. D. Lee is too slow to play SF consistently.

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8/6/2006  10:58 AM
buddapaw - I'm witchoo. I refuse to bitch and moan like its the end of the world with every transaction. I prefer to see the possibilities that Frye, Lee and Jeffries form a cohesive shift line in the frontcfourt.

Frye provides outside range and a solid fg percentage

Lee provides rebounding and inside toughness

Jeffries brings the ability to get out on the perimeter and man-up

Isn't "manning-up" what its all about?

6'11, 6.95 and 6'10 across the frontline.

Such symmetry and balance of style. All three are eager to prove something.

Frye - that his first season was just a start

Lee - that he can flourish with consistent minutes and not being jerked around as he was last season

Jeffries - that he can handle additional responsibility

What's NOT to like?

Now, just for kicks and giggles, add a more confident and better prepared Eddy Curry, with a ful training camp, to the mix.

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8/6/2006  11:10 AM
Then there are also guy like Bosh, KG, Radmonovic and any center with a decent outside shot. Now you can slide the quicker Jefferies over to guard these guards with height(that's pretty much what they are). He doesn't have to be a defensive stopper he just have to slow them down a bit.
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8/6/2006  11:14 AM
He doesn't have to be a defensive stopper he just have to slow them down a bit.
That's a great way to put it. If he were a complete defensive stopper like Ben Wallace, he'd get a max contract. He's a solid defender who can slow down people. That's all you can expect from the MLE.
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8/6/2006  11:22 AM
Visualize Balkman and Jeffries on the floor at the same time for added defensive presence at two positions.

Any two positions.

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8/6/2006  11:30 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Visualize Balkman and Jeffries on the floor at the same time for added defensive presence at two positions.

Any two positions.

Give me a phucking break. When did Balkman become such a good defender at any position? Same with Jeffries for that matter. Just because the kid played a few positions doesn't mean he did it well.

Balkman will be completely exposed against bigger, faster and better players in the NBA. But I guess he'll come up with a loose ball every now and then so it makes it ok.

Say it with me Earl, there's a difference between being a good man to man defender and being a good off the ball defender.
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8/6/2006  11:35 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Visualize Balkman and Jeffries on the floor at the same time for added defensive presence at two positions.

Any two positions.
they are also 2 guys that when on the floor together wont have to be guarded when in a half court set('');


[Edited by - colorfl1 on 08-06-2006 12:02 PM]
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8/6/2006  12:02 PM
Islesfan - you would like nothing better than for Balkman to fail because it adds fuel to your personal anti-Knicks agenda. That is so last month.

Your perpetual hard-on for the Knicks to fail, in itself, is sad
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8/6/2006  12:06 PM
colorl1 - are you completely certain that if you left Balkman unguarded, in ANY set, he would not know what to do with the basketball?


Me thinketh thou protests too much

Why not allow them the opportunity to play together first before claiming defeat?

Who are the real losers here?
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8/6/2006  1:37 PM
Posted by misterearl:

colorl1 - are you completely certain that if you left Balkman unguarded, in ANY set, he would not know what to do with the basketball?


Me thinketh thou protests too much

Why not allow them the opportunity to play together first before claiming defeat?

Who are the real losers here?

I like Balkman, but as far as being an offensive threat... he is a complete project... he will score in the open court like Ariza did in his rookie year, and he will get some points off turnovers... but this kid will be a Junkyard-Dog type player until he develops over the next few years. He will not command respect in a half court set this year... still I like him because this team has enough shoot first types...
I just think the pairing of Jefferies and Balkman would be unwise for the next year or so. They probably won't play together very often because they both play the same natural position.
But if you are trying to build a Van Gundy team then you could pair Balkman, Jefferies, Big Snacks, Collins and Q ('');

I like Balkman and I like Jefferies, I just don't like those two on the court at the same time, unless one of them develops a perimeter game.

If you asked me to project on Balkman... he strikes me as the kind of driven player that will really enhance different parts of his game as the years goes by... he is a tremendous athlete with a great nose for the ball.

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