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McK1
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7/22/2006  3:09 AM
Posted by holfresh:

We are at the point where we are bashing the GM for not resigning the 10th guy on a 23 win team


so you're finally admitting the roster is crap
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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7/22/2006  7:16 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by arkrud:

When somebody dies it's for a while,
When somebody stupid - it's forever

um...pretty sure death is forever.

I'm pretty sure "somebody stupid" isn't the best way to call in to question another persons Intelligence either.........
Posted by holfresh:


I just wonder if this guy saw any Knick games...Jackie was a luxury to have on this team..He was the 12th guy off the bench and it was nice having him for nothing...It was great that JB was able to parley his game for the cash that SA offered him....But to think that not signing JB will haunt the Knicks for years to come is just insane....Kudos for JB and his money but the Knicks will miss nothing by not having him on the roster...
cosign....


[Edited by - Anji on 07-22-2006 07:17 AM]
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7/22/2006  8:16 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Solace:

Once again, logic eludes the Knicks. It's funny that the same people who say losing JB is no big deal are the same people who were the ones MAKING HIM OUT to be a top-quality center last year. Now the story changed? Why? Because god forbid we admit Isiah's flaws.

JB would be a really nice piece for this team, at a very cheap price. Instead, we have Big Snacks for 4 more years. It is upsetting, but, as usual, we'll try to move past it... I hope this is Isiah's last ridiculous misstep. The only thing that would hold some part in correcting this would be a signing of Jared Jefferies or Qyntel Woods.


Check all my post...Never once did I give props to JB....
Yeah, I think the claim is farfetched by Fish and Solace that JB views
changed as soon as he left and the purpose of this change was to benefit Isiah

Don't latch on that. I never specifically said holfresh. You know damn well which people I'm talking about; I'm just going to give the courtesy of not disrespecting people and naming names or picking out old threads. You know who you are.

Maybe one or two people. But I don't think even they had anywhere near the 180 degree reversal in opinions you guys are talking about. It just seems exaggerated. Nothing wrong with that. You said my post about LB was exaggerated and yours here is too.
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7/22/2006  9:37 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Maybe one or two people. But I don't think even they had anywhere near the 180 degree reversal in opinions you guys are talking about. It just seems exaggerated. Nothing wrong with that. You said my post about LB was exaggerated and yours here is too.

The above will henceforth be known as a Bonn-ism. Does Isiah pay you to cover his ass or do you do it for free, dude? Haha.
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7/22/2006  10:34 AM
I don't think I have ever seen Hollinger write something positive about the Knicks or Isiah. I agree that Butler has some upside, but to suggest that he is better than Curry to me just shows have jaded Hollinger is. In fact, Hollinger compares Butler to a young Kemp, O' Neal, and Webber, all of whom were clearly more athletic and bigger than Butler. From what I saw of Butler, he has the potential to be a good center, but nothing spectacular. I say the Knicks made the right move for Butler and the team in letting him go. Like it or not, we have 4 years committed to Curry and JJ and Butler was not going to be getting any PT unless someone got hurt. Plus, the Knicks are probably going to play Frye at center some in the future, and the Knicks needed the roster spot. The only thing Isiah should have done was do a sign and trade and gotten at least a second round pick in next year's draft, which will be a deep one. However, for all we know, he might have attempted to do so and the Spurs did not bite.
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7/22/2006  10:51 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I don't think I have ever seen Hollinger write something positive about the Knicks or Isiah. I agree that Butler has some upside, but to suggest that he is better than Curry to me just shows have jaded Hollinger is. In fact, Hollinger compares Butler to a young Kemp, O' Neal, and Webber, all of whom were clearly more athletic and bigger than Butler. From what I saw of Butler, he has the potential to be a good center, but nothing spectacular. I say the Knicks made the right move for Butler and the team in letting him go. Like it or not, we have 4 years committed to Curry and JJ and Butler was not going to be getting any PT unless someone got hurt. Plus, the Knicks are probably going to play Frye at center some in the future, and the Knicks needed the roster spot. The only thing Isiah should have done was do a sign and trade and gotten at least a second round pick in next year's draft, which will be a deep one. However, for all we know, he might have attempted to do so and the Spurs did not bite.

I agree that it was somewhat eccentric, to the extent that we could've had both Curry and Butler. Surely nobody will argue that Butler is already better than Jerome James? As for JJ's contract, I agree with previous arguments that pointed out, why compound one mistake (the JJ signing) with another (not resigning Butler)?
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7/22/2006  12:14 PM
If i'm Isiah, I play Curry a ton this year and let him finally get his game up to where its supposed to be. I don't care if he's got 4 fouls or fouls out. I never understood why he wasn't played more last year. This and getting to James early to see where he's at with his conditioning. I'd be all in his ass making sure he got his act together or i'd suspend him without pay until he got it together. James has ability, its really just about being in shape. Then you have Frye who surely can fill in and handle the Center spot. I just don't see us as having any problems at the position at this point. I wish jackie well and I wish we would've kept him but we didn't so ...
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7/22/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by TheGame:

I don't think I have ever seen Hollinger write something positive about the Knicks or Isiah. I agree that Butler has some upside, but to suggest that he is better than Curry to me just shows have jaded Hollinger is. In fact, Hollinger compares Butler to a young Kemp, O' Neal, and Webber, all of whom were clearly more athletic and bigger than Butler. From what I saw of Butler, he has the potential to be a good center, but nothing spectacular. I say the Knicks made the right move for Butler and the team in letting him go. Like it or not, we have 4 years committed to Curry and JJ and Butler was not going to be getting any PT unless someone got hurt. Plus, the Knicks are probably going to play Frye at center some in the future, and the Knicks needed the roster spot. The only thing Isiah should have done was do a sign and trade and gotten at least a second round pick in next year's draft, which will be a deep one. However, for all we know, he might have attempted to do so and the Spurs did not bite.


he looks like a poor mans version of Moses Malone to me
country strong, long arms innate skills, toughness 21 years old 6-10 260 for goodness sakes, if Curry goes down are we going to rely on JJ? I think JJ size and age are going to hinder him. Big guys like that are always risky, add in weight and attitude problems---I dont see him better in his 30s.
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7/22/2006  12:35 PM
haha

This is too funny!

IT just lost a lottery pick! LOL
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/22/2006  12:56 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Maybe one or two people. But I don't think even they had anywhere near the 180 degree reversal in opinions you guys are talking about. It just seems exaggerated. Nothing wrong with that. You said my post about LB was exaggerated and yours here is too.

The above will henceforth be known as a Bonn-ism. Does Isiah pay you to cover his ass or do you do it for free, dude? Haha.

I highly doubt he'd pay me to say the things I say about him as a GM.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-22-2006 12:58 PM]
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7/22/2006  1:03 PM
For once, I think Isiah is seeing the big picture. The reality is that it is highly unlikely that Butler would get any significant run in the next couple of years, unless someone got hurt. Curry needs every minute he can get, and Frye will play some center for us. Moreover, JJ is a better defensive presence when he not committing a foul a minute (which I concede is not often). If Butler does not play, then you are paying $14 million for someone who for whatever reason is not actually playing in the games. If the circumstances occured that allowed Butler to get significant PT and he played well, could we really resign him in three years? At that time, JJ and Curry will still be under contract, and we will need to pay Frye, Lee, and Nate (and resign Curry the following year). I don't think Butler is going to develop into a player that we would want more than Frye or Lee. Thus, we probably could not keep Butler and the rest of our players if he actually turned into a good center. We basically would have spent three years developing Butler for someone else because we have already committed to Curry as our starting center for the next 5-10 years and would have to let Butler go if he got a significant contract offer. I think Isiah saw the situation and concluded that the best thing for Butler and the Knicks was to let him go now.
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7/22/2006  5:09 PM

>>Simrud - IT just lost a lottery pick!

It's funny how a person like Sumrud is positively OVERJOYED when something is perceived to be a Knicks fault or another Isiah Thomas decison is declared to be a failure BEFORE the season starts.

I wondet if his gloating will be as intense when Paul Miller or Kenny Adekele makes the roster and turns out to be another diamond in the rough scouted by the Knicks staff?

If Butler was signed by the Knicks simrud would be FIRST to jump in line and scream bloody murder over the 14M combined salary and luxury tax figure.

Go figure.

Party on dude.

I'll spend my enegy rooting for David Lee to play the four with passion.

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7/22/2006  5:32 PM
You know everyone keeps brandishing around this $14 million number.
That's after luxury tax and for the full length of the contract.
Why is it only with respect to JB do we talk about his salary after luxury tax?
With that logic, we are paying $60M to JJ, $60M to MoT,
$100M to JC, $80M to Q, $100M to Francis and $240 to Marbury.

In fact, it is $7 million for 3 years, that's about $2 million
per. A very reasonable contract. Isiah keeps talking about collecting
assets, well that would be a very tradable asset, even if he didn't want to
keep him. Instead, he goes out and gets cast offs, highly overpaid out-of-shape vets,
for whom the only thing we can get is other highly overpaid out-of-shape vets.
Please. This was a big wasted opportunity.



[Edited by - panos on 07-22-2006 5:38 PM]
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7/22/2006  6:21 PM
Posted by Panos:

You know everyone keeps brandishing around this $14 million number.
That's after luxury tax and for the full length of the contract.
Why is it only with respect to JB do we talk about his salary after luxury tax?
With that logic, we are paying $60M to JJ, $60M to MoT,
$100M to JC, $80M to Q, $100M to Francis and $240 to Marbury.

In fact, it is $7 million for 3 years, that's about $2 million
per. A very reasonable contract. Isiah keeps talking about collecting
assets, well that would be a very tradable asset, even if he didn't want to
keep him. Instead, he goes out and gets cast offs, highly overpaid out-of-shape vets,
for whom the only thing we can get is other highly overpaid out-of-shape vets.
Please. This was a big wasted opportunity.
[Edited by - panos on 07-22-2006 5:38 PM]
The money is an excuse; not the real reason. My guess is that the real reason is that Isiah is foolish enough to have 100% faith in Eddy Curry and Jerome James. People will realize that this had nothing to do with money (pocket change by Knicks' standards) when the team takes back another $100 mil in contracts this season.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-22-2006 6:22 PM]
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7/22/2006  6:35 PM
If this is about money then isiah is more penny wise and dollar foolish than anyone could imagine.

Am I the only one shallow enough to think Butler's agent being Brown's agent's son has anything to do with this? Bad blood is not something Isiah is above.
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7/22/2006  6:42 PM
I really do not believe that the fact Butler's agent is LB's agent's son had anything to do with the decision. Isiah can be a mean, spiteful person when he wants to be, but he would not let Butler go just to spite LB, especially when letting him go would not really hurt Butler or his agent or LB.
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7/22/2006  7:42 PM
Posted by misterearl:


>>Simrud - IT just lost a lottery pick!

It's funny how a person like Sumrud is positively OVERJOYED when something is perceived to be a Knicks fault or another Isiah Thomas decison is declared to be a failure BEFORE the season starts.

I wondet if his gloating will be as intense when Paul Miller or Kenny Adekele makes the roster and turns out to be another diamond in the rough scouted by the Knicks staff?

If Butler was signed by the Knicks simrud would be FIRST to jump in line and scream bloody murder over the 14M combined salary and luxury tax figure.

Go figure.

Party on dude.

I'll spend my enegy rooting for David Lee to play the four with passion.


Looked like he was sarcastic.
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7/22/2006  8:25 PM
>>Isiah can be a mean, spiteful person when he wants to be, but he would not let Butler go just to spite LB, especially when letting him go would not really hurt Butler or his agent or LB.

metra - can you name an NBA executive who is a nice guy, never interestedin pummeling his opposition into the ground - who always looks out for the best interests of his competition?

What is this now - a popularity contest?

Or is it aadditional evidence that the resentment of Isiah Thomas has much MORE to do with perceived personal issues than with basketball?

Look in the mirror and ask yourself... what has Isiah Thomas done to offend you personally... more than say... Al Bianchi ... or Eddie Donovan?
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7/22/2006  9:04 PM
Lol, reread what I wrote. I was saying simrud was sarcastic.. that's all.
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7/22/2006  9:07 PM
Simrud wouldn't know sarcasm if it was giving him a blow job

Fat chance of that happening
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