Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by rvhoss:
you mean like frye, lee, balkman and mardy collins?
It's a start but it needs to be built upon. Setting our sites on a 40 win season means that Frye, lee and the rest are expendable. why? Because when we win 40 games we look for someone to blame for those 40 wins.
I beg to differ...if we win 40 games, there will be celebrations on broadway and a look to the future...you seriously believe that after the LB 23 win debacle, we make no moves in the off season, this means we have the SAME EXACT TEAM and then win 40 games (that's a 17 win improvement btw) that we are looking to fire somebody? Are you reading what you are writing? Oh, I forget, you are on a sportscenter tantrum, are you buying what you are selling?
We fire them if they don't show us more. So those people abandon their plans and trade the draft picks and the Sweetney's and the Ariza's and the Frye's and the Lee's for another overpaid vet.
ariza was all LB...remember, he was dillusional...so try not to ignore what is extremely obvious, LB hated Ariza, not dolan and not isiah, who are the one's that are still here driving the ship
I am asking for us to stop building around the Marbs and Francis' of the world.
we are NOT building aroudn marbs and francis
Build around the Frye's and the Lee's and use these vets as space filler. Take away thier power.
that is what we are doing...look at the roster, in 3 years it will be Frye's team
If they quit on us like they did last year, or make excuses or are insubordinate we don't cowtow to them, we take their playtime away. We show players that this is not tolerable. We don't blame the coach or any one guy. We blame all involved.
this is when you switch back to being a normal fan, and ofcourse, ignore the fact that this is NOT what LB did, you know LB, your favorite coach. Currently, the GM is the coach, if the coach doesn't think a player is giving his all, he can speak to the GM (same person for those not paying attention) and he's in a suit or somewhere in Memphis rehabbing or something.
Our young guys are a start. But rvhoss pay attention to recent history. We have had draft picks and promising young guys before.
I am assuming you mean BEFORE isiah...because everyone that is here was drafted by zeke or brought in by zeke and we have not quit on any of them, sweetney didn't play in Chicago of all places, so you say promising, I say had a ceiling
But because of the atmosphere of blaming and firings, GM's and coach's trade these guys in order to save their jobs. Don't think Isiah will not do this.
he won't...just bacause you think he will, doesn't mean it is so. You thought he'd resign Jackie B, and, ofcourse, you were wrong about that as well. This is the team, anybody over the age of 26 is on notice that they are not needed and are not part of the long term knick plans...if they want to give 110% then that's a BONUS for the current knicks as these would be the vets in place around our youthful CORE that you ignore when you go on your anti zeke and marbury rants, but come around and remember it when someone reminds you that they were all acquired by our GM and Coach.
remember, the players you love watching that you can't seem to remember are on the team until we remind you of the CORE 8 under 26
His career is on the line. The worst thing we can do is to base his job on wins. It must be based upon developing a plan and sticking with it. This is something he has refused to do.
What we are saying is that the development will lead to wins, not the other way around...we're expecting the Quick offense to take advantage of our 26/8 (8 under 26) and lead to chemistry, confidence and eventually WINS. We're not saying go out and get us 40 wins isiah, you guys are all saying it's 40 wins or he's fired, we're all saying that we would be DANCING IN THE STREETS for 40 wins...you bet your ass and this is undeniable, that if isiah get's 40 wins, he's coach of the year...no ifs ands or buts
It's time for him to change the the atmosphere here. Create an atmosphere of striving for a title. Not striving for the first round. Not making moves to win today. But making moves that build a team that can win forever. That means getting your promising rookies away from losing, quitting, excuse making vets. Lay down the law. LB is gone. No more excuses will be accepted. One excuse and you don't play. PERIOD.
Once again, you hater's have run out of things to say about this team and you have now fallen on the "if we don't win a championship then what's the point" or "Why are you guys ONLY asking for 40 wins".
Baby steps...the Met's have basically the same core team as last year and they are ON FIRE!
Rome wasn't built in a day and a championship contender isn't built in Under 3 years.
The culture has changed and if you can't see it then you aren't paying any attention to anything that is coming out of MSG...and if you are paying attention you have the same canned responses.
Recent history? Recent history? It's been 2.5 years and half the team is under 25...I don't remember EVER that being the case with the Knicks, let alone this decade.
This team is young and built for the future and that future is contending for a title. We have two young bigs, a hustle rebounding machine, a dynamic scorer off the bench and both offense and defense on the wing.
We are surrounding that core of youth with a shot blocking veteran of the playoffs, a scoring Point Guard(s).
If you hate the players that's one thing, but to deny that a player, regardless of how long he has been in the league, can become better when placed in a system that puts him in a position to succeed, then you've never watched the bulls and micheal Jordan BEFORE Phil Jackson.
New system, new team, 6 titles.
It's an extreme example, but also keep in mind, we only want 3 veterans to step it up this coming year and the rookies to continue to get better, if that happens we are well on our way.
In summary: Stop making excuses for quitters. They either play hard or we don't want them. As a Knick fan stop accepting the bill of goods being sold and force management to get players that want to play!!!
No excuses, just fact. The bill of goods being sold to me is a team with a core in their first or second year coupled with a second layer of youthful players that can put points on the board and currently being led by a 29 year old scoring point guard that averages 20/8 (pre LB).
To me, that's the goods I'm buying, and I'm more than happy to re-up my season package, regardless of the price.
Everyone else is gone...GONE GONE GONE.
If we are rebuilding and looking to the future, try looking past the last 2 years. Every name you bring up is expiring this year or next or is a role player brought in to fill a need.
You say you are sounding the alarm because you notice a pattern, I say, change has begun and we were in such a miserable position when it occurred that we needed to take 2 steps back to go 3 steps forward, or should I say 2 years back to go 3 years forward.
Starting lineup in 2009 - Crawford, Marbury, QRich, Frye, Curry
the bench mob - nate, lee, mardy, balkman, jerome the enforcer!
all kool aid all the time.
7/21/2006 10:17 AM