The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Jules should've been the GM

Your logic is the same loigc that got us a 2nd term of Junior. Support your team no matter what, support your country no matter, same bs. IT is just as bad of a GM as Bush as a president.

>>Support your team no matter what,

Without a doubt. Win or lose. I bleed orange and blue.

>>support your country no matter...

simrud - If you prefer another country you can always move. Need help with the air fare?

>> IT is just as bad of a GM as Bush as a president.

Let's not get carried away with the awkward, irrelevant analogies simrud.

Its only basketball





[Edited by - misterearl on 07-22-2006 11:27 PM]

A Long Time Ago In a Universe Far, Far Away

http://www.nypost.com/sports/best_bad_trade_they_ever_made_sports_mike_vaccaro.htm


Because if Kazmir isn't traded one year, 11 months and 23 days ago, it's possible that the resulting outcry would have been a tad more muted than it was. It could mean that the chaotic front-office set-up that got the Mets in such a morass in the first place might have been allowed to stay in place a little while longer. Which means ...

That Omar Minaya doesn't get hired when he did ...

... meaning that Willie Randolph never gets hired when he did ...

... meaning that Pedro Martinez never even talks to the Mets ...

... meaning that Carlos Beltran never returns the Mets' calls ...

... meaning that Billy Wagner lands somewhere else, probably Toronto ...

... meaning there's no reason to add Carlos Delgado and Paul LoDuca to a team destined to go 80-82 for the rest of time ...

... meaning the Mets are nowhere near the place they occupy right now. Not even close.

You don't want to think about that when you're busy salivating at Kazmir's live left arm, you're allowed. Fans are supposed to be fanatical. Logic isn't a requirement. But once in a while, it can save you from ulcerating your innards.

"Did we make a mistake?" Jeff Wilpon, the Mets' chief operating officer, said over the telephone earlier this week. "It's obvious we made a mistake. I mean, no reasonable person can look at what Scott has done with Tampa and not think that way. But the reality is, we can't go back and re-trade the players involved. It doesn't work that way."

He paused.

"I know I've learned from it," Wilpon said. "Ultimately, the fact that Scott isn't with us now is my responsibility, and I accept that. But you can do one of two things when you make a mistake like that. You can let it destroy you. Or you can try to make the best of an unfortunate situation and push ahead. Most of the last two years, I think that's what we've been doing, pushing ahead. Trying to turn a negative into a positive."

It's way too early in the game to know whether or not the trades that IT has made are good or bad...The jury is still out on Curry..I can't see any other trades you might be refering to...Curry has the potential to give you 20 and 9 the next ten years...If thats the case, it was a good trade...He has had some good drafts...So really, this year will tell a lot about what the Knicks have and what they don't have...To have made a decision already about the percieved outcome of the Knicks at this point could prove to be foolhardy which is why many here questions yours and others loyalty to the team...Even if IT was as bad as you say he is, if you are a fan of the team, how could you root for them to lose, how does that work?....I hated Larry Brown for what he did this past year....If Larry somehow came back and the team went 82-0, you would not have seen a happier mother than me on this board....What gives with you guys....





[Edited by - holfresh on 07-23-2006 4:13 PM]

Posted by McK1:

Posted by holfresh:

It's way too early in the game to know whether or not the trades that IT has made are good or bad...The jury is still out on Curry..I can't see any other trades you might be refering to...Curry has the potential to give you 20 and 9 the next ten years...If thats the case, it was a good trade...He has had some good drafts...So really, this year will tell a lot about what the Knicks have and what they don't have...To have made a decision already about the percieved outcome of the Knicks at this point could prove to be foolhardy which is why many here questions yours and others loyalty to the team...Even if IT was as bad as you say he is, if you are a fan of the team, how could you root for them to lose, how does that work?....I hated Larry Brown for what he did this past year....If Larry somehow came back and the team went 82-0, you would not have seen a happier mother than me on this board....What gives with you guys....





[Edited by - holfresh on 07-23-2006 4:13 PM]

Isiah has no clue how to establish a balanced roster.

went from 6 pfs to 6 shoot-first guards. he tried and IMO was genuine in his approach. However 79-117 since he decided to tie the franchises future to Marbury is what it is.

the track he started on has consistently led DOWN the standings. Its time for a new conductor with a different sense of what rails to ride.

You can't honestly say given the roster he has met here that we are in worse shape now more so than when he first arrived...We had no tradable piece outside of Kurt Thomas...And what could he have gotten for him in return anyway...Every other player on that roster were throw aways...He has transformed the roster to younger athletic players with a future in the spam of 2.5 yrs...Larry's screwjob last year set the entire franchise back a full year....Why do you think we haven't made a trade yet or try to get new players...because we have not a clue what we have here....It is impossible to build a winning situation in 2.5 years...IMPOSSIBLE, unless you get Shaq...Add to that he met a salary cap of 93 mil. It took Detroit playing close to 4 years together then they added the final piece in Sheed to get over the hump....Now I know we are far from playing that caliber brand of basketball, but surely you have to admit that if Curry and Frye live up to their billing, we will have great basketball here for many years to come...How could you not be excited about that...HOW?



[Edited by - holfresh on 07-23-2006 4:47 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 07-23-2006 4:49 PM]

>>went from 6 pfs to 6 shoot-first guards.

went from Chollie Ward and Howard Eisley

to the prodigal son of Coney Island Stephon Marbury, the elusive Jamal Crawford and the indefatiguable Nate Robinson - with the Temple disciplined, intelligent, defense-oriented, 6'6 Mardy Collins in the wings

went from the slow and earthbound 6'5 Clarence Weatherspoon, 78 year old Dikembe Mutombo and the attitudinal and earthbound 6'8 Kurt Thomas

to the rebounding machine 6'9 David Lee, the 6'11 man-child, work-in-progress, Eddy Curry and our next captain, the smooth shooting and fluid - 6'11 Channing Frye

the below-average Shandon Anderson to the human octopus, Rodman-clone Renaldo Balkman and, hopefully, the mercurial and unselfish, occassional highlight reel - the multi-skilled 6'8 Qyntel Woods

the non-factor Cesary Trybanski to the outside shooting 6'10 Paul Miller

>>Its time for a new conductor with a different sense of what rails to ride.

Rails to ride? There are no rails.

It's time for some faith.

Its a new season.


Or have you heard?

new season same team new gimmick line:

the offense needs no point guard.

he's combining 3 of the most complex offensive schemes into 1. the Triangle doesn't have a 1 as lead but it does have 2 primary ball-handlers.

this one will only be decided on the hardwood.

McK1 do you really think that Isiah doesn't want a balanced roster? I think that is the general goal for any GM, however more important is a WINNING ROSTER! From what I can see he's well on his way to putting together a roster that can win. So what our strength is at Guard. Its not like we don't have Bigs who can also play at a high level. We are just now starting to see what Frye and Lee can do and I believe that Curry will comeback and have a big year. WE KNOW that he's been working with Aguirre all summer and that's something that didn't happen last summer.

Now with regard to our Guards we have a TON of versatility on the squad and Isiah knows just how to take advantage of that strength. I think we're gonna see a very strong pace set this year and teams will have to try and match our speed and aggression on offense. The floor should be spaced a LOT better than it was last year with far less standing around. More players will be in motion during every possession and this will allow so much more room for Curry to operate. All those back cuts and picks will have defenses missing assignments all night and over the course of the season the team should start to master the offense and really take advantage of teams. Unlike LB's offense teams won't be able to sag off of our guards cuz they'll be a constant threat to shoot or penetrate. Can't you see how this team has a chance to be so much better than last year.

earl

time for a reality check

isiah has F'd up

with a capital F

in case you haven't noticed

i dig you and everything man

but get real