Posted by bigbeast:



Picture this front line:
Frye C
Lee PF
Jeffries Sf

I like that line up a lot- put Nate in there with someone at the 2 (Crawford) and I can see a real running team- one that gets steals, gets out on the break but still can get it down in the half court...

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

I would go after Jeffries. He's much better than Butler. I'd hope they buy out either Jalen or Mo Taylor to fit him in.

Here's a question - would anyone trade Qrich for Jared Jeffries? I think that's a pretty fair trade at this point (it's not your average Jalen Rose for KG proposal, but I think it's a realistic trade that helps both teams, possibly).

why would the Wizards want Qrich's longterm contract? They'd be better off resigning JJ or letting him walk for that matter.

Posted by fishmike:

Look at the teams Jeffries has played on. He's never been asked to score. He CAN score if need be.
He can defend multiple positions and defend GOOD players
He's an excellent rebounder
He's a good passer
He has a good handle. Kind of guy that can rip a rebound and start pushing the ball upcourt.
He's 24

A 5 year MLE type deal is good for him. Well worth it IMO. These are the kinds of guys we should have been targeting all along

Posted by metra:

Posted by fishmike:

Look at the teams Jeffries has played on. He's never been asked to score. He CAN score if need be.
He can defend multiple positions and defend GOOD players
He's an excellent rebounder
He's a good passer
He has a good handle. Kind of guy that can rip a rebound and start pushing the ball upcourt.
He's 24

A 5 year MLE type deal is good for him. Well worth it IMO. These are the kinds of guys we should have been targeting all along

What the hell?

Jeffries IS NOT A SCORER. Don't fool yourself. Go to some wiz boards and ask the guys there. Go to realgm's thread on the kid and you'll find wiz fans there saying he doesn't score. Finally, think about it logically. A scorer WILL ALWAYS find a way to score. All this guy does putbacks and breakaways. There would be some hard evidence (through shooting, drives, whatever) that a player can score - not through lucky/hustle baskets. Just cause he's on a team with scorers doesn't mean he can't show glimpses of being a 15ppg guy. His career high is 20pts over 4 years!

He's a defender, I'll give you that. That's all he is.

Excellent rebounder? For a guy that's 6-11, averaging 5 boards a game really isn't anything to marvel at. Again, stop fooling yourself.

Good passer? I guess you got that from his whopping 2 assists per game.

Good handle? Woods, Richardson, and Balkman can all "rip a rebound and start pushing the ball upcourt." Richardson and Woods can both get 5rpg and Balkman.. well we'll find out. They all have fine handle.

5 years is too long (don't we want LeBron, Melo, etc.?) and MLE is too much. He's simply an above average defender. How is he getting hyped up so much?

You wouldn't know any of those things if you haven't watched him play, which you said you haven't. Care to provide us some links to the Wizards boards where people said all the things you said they did?

I think you are still relying way too much on stats.

Posted by gunsnewing:

in 3yrs a $5-6mm contract is very moveable if you're trying to make room for a a superstar. JJ is better all-around than Balkman at this point which goes to show how much we overpaid for a guy lik Balkman when we could've had a true PG to take over the team once Marbury/Francis are gone and we add a superstar

Wiz fan here. I can't believe you guys are treating him as if he were the savior of the franchise. If you give him the MLE, he will wind up being one of the most overpaid players in the league, and he shouldn't have to be. At a deal similar to what Darius got, fine, thats a good deal for him, maybe even less, but if its a 5/$30 million type deal, then you are not getting your bang for your buck.

JJ is an intangibles guy. Every now and then he will make the mistake of making a basket, but he's not a guy who could go out there for 40 minutes and have an all around game. He's not a scorer, and he's not a very good defender, and if you give me the example of how JJ played good defense on Lebron in the playoffs, Lebron shot 50% and averaged 35 a game during that series.

Point being, you guys could have him if you're willing to spend the entire MLE. Ernie is not that stupid to match that, and he'd probably want a guy like Mo Taylor and a future pick in return. He doesn't bring a lot value when you want to trade him, but he has enough to warrant an expiring contract and a late 1st round pick or a 2nd rond pick.

You guys are way in over your heads if you expect him to change the culture of the NY Knicks. The guy ha shad 4 years of experience, and he has yet to have any offensive game to speak of.

And another thing, as far as production goes, JJ has probably plateued (or however you spell that). He's not gonna break out and average a double double.

Another Wizards fan here-

I have to say I never in my life thought I would hear somebody associate the words "underrated scorer" with Jared Jeffries. Cut that out right now. The guy is not an offensive player and it's hard to even imagine him ever averaging double figures. He doesn't hit open jumpshots, he doesn't finish layups, basically the only thing he can do is get dunks on the fastbreak. Anybody with the idea that he's going to breakout offensively, just forget it, he's a roleplayer through and through, not a long term starter for anybody.

He is a pretty good defender, mainly because he can defend 3 posistions, but he's not going to lock anybody down at any posistion and some nights his defense won't outweigh his lack of offense. He's a hustle player who gives it all every night.

That's basically it. Personally I don't think he's worth the MLE, more like 3-4 million, but his agent clearly disagrees. I don't think he's a lock to come back to DC by any stretch.

22. Jared Jeffries, Wizards (restricted)
He supposedly is getting a lot of interest, which surprises me in light of the fact that he's not any good. Yes, he had some nice moments defensively against LeBron James in the playoffs, but he also went 36 minutes without scoring a basket in the clinching Game 6 and shot 39.5 percent for the series.

Besides, nobody's comparing him to Bruce Bowen, and he needs to be that good an on-ball defender because the rest of his game is so poor. Jeffries' career high in points per 40 minutes is a meager 10.4 in 2004-05. Also, he is nothing special on the boards, makes way too many turnovers and is worse than Tim Duncan from the foul line. Anybody paying the full midlevel exception for this package will end up horribly disappointed.

Dude! how well do you actually know Jefferies? I have been watching this cat since he was drafted...I live in the D.C. metro area and I have attended many of the Wizz's games...I can honestly tell you that Jefferies is well worth the MLE and more. 4 years in the league, but only played in 3 years due to a knee injury that he sustained in his first season. You don't Jeff that the MLE or more this season, in two more years, he will definitely worth a max contract. Jefferies can be a much more offensive threat if he asked to do so. He is a team player who is very unselfish and the whole world will see a different side of his game once he gets a new contract. This kid has learned that his game is not as valueable as it should be mainly because of his unselfishness, and he will be a lot more selfish and shoot the ball a lot more.

Truth is that he's a dumb player at times. REALLY dumb. He makes decisions at times that make you ask why...like the ridiculous jumppass from the 3 point line that sails out of bounds, or the missed flipped layup that he could have easily dunked, or the stupid foul that he gives up on a breakaway that leads to an and 1.

Jeffries is not a high IQ player. On a scale of 1-10, he's about a 5 or a 6 when it comes to IQ in my opinion.

As far as underated scorer...nah, not really. His offensive game is not inconsistent -- its nonexistant. He has no offensive game. His jumpshot is horrible. He misses alot of drives to the hoop. His midrange game is a joke. He is your protypical garbageman with some guardlike skills.

A typical Jeffries game goes like this: He'll get you a garbage bucket off a putback, an easy dunk of a cut, and will go 2-4 on free throws. He'll turn the ball over once, and maybe get an assist. He'll grab 3 defensive rebounds and start a few fastbreaks singlehandedly. He'll block a breakaway layup on defense. He'll guard the best opposing offensive 2, 3, 4 and allow him to go 7-20. His ending line will more than likely look like 6 points, 4 rebs, a block, a steal, an assist.

Not a great line but not a bad one. If you want to spend MLE money on that type of player, go right ahead. I think he's worth half that, but the KNicks need roleplayers, so they might overpay. It wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by fishmike:

Look at the teams Jeffries has played on. He's never been asked to score. He CAN score if need be.
He can defend multiple positions and defend GOOD players
He's an excellent rebounder
He's a good passer
He has a good handle. Kind of guy that can rip a rebound and start pushing the ball upcourt.
He's 24

A 5 year MLE type deal is good for him. Well worth it IMO. These are the kinds of guys we should have been targeting all along

yeah Isiah is finally learning how to build a team thanks to LB. Instead of going after severely overpaying for guys like Tim Thomas, Crawford, Taylor, Q, JJ & Curry

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by fishmike:

Look at the teams Jeffries has played on. He's never been asked to score. He CAN score if need be.
He can defend multiple positions and defend GOOD players
He's an excellent rebounder
He's a good passer
He has a good handle. Kind of guy that can rip a rebound and start pushing the ball upcourt.
He's 24

A 5 year MLE type deal is good for him. Wll worth it IMO. These are the kinds of guys we should have been targeting all along

yeah Isiah is finally learning how to build a team thanks to LB. Instead of going after severely overpaying for guys like Tim Thomas, Crawford, Taylor, Q, JJ & Curry

I wouldn't give LB the credit for what Isiah is doing. He had already started to add solid players in the draft before LB even got here. People forget that Isiah has played on some of the greatest defensive teams ever and he's not averse to defense. If Larry had just been patient he could've been here to coach an improved defensive squad, but he acted like an impatient fool.

Jeffries makes sense in that he's a solid all around player who gives us more size and defense, while not requiring a lot of shots to be productive. Since we already have enough scorers, it only makes sense to add the needed role players to this roster. i think Isiah feels Jackie isn't athletic enough to thrive in his system. Jeffries is much more versatile and more valuable from a team perspective. He covers a lot of positions and gives us insurance in any game where we might run into foul problems or injury. He just flat out makes sense. I'd give him the full MLE maxed out and see if the Wiz really want to keep him.

good point about Jeffries fits with the rest of the squad better. also keep in mind that Curry picks up 2 quick fouls every game so if Frye can't play C we absolutely need to add another athletic Shot-blocker which Jerome "foul a minute" James isn't

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07-18-2006 3:12 PM]