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7/10/2006  11:13 PM
Posted by Elite:

This is getting silly

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7/10/2006  11:14 PM
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http://www.nba.com/magic/news/2006_Summer_League_New_Jersey-184213-800.html




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7/10/2006  11:19 PM
I watched the game on Nets website. Marcus Williams was awesome. Rookie Eric Williams from Wake Forest also played well. He continues he may get spot on Net team.
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7/10/2006  11:26 PM
Posted by MX25:

I watched the game on Nets website. Marcus Williams was awesome. Rookie Eric Williams from Wake Forest also played well. He continues he may get spot on Net team.


both are Briggie boys.

What can I say...add this one to the endless list of Sir Isiah Thomas' mistakes
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7/10/2006  11:40 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by MX25:

I watched the game on Nets website. Marcus Williams was awesome. Rookie Eric Williams from Wake Forest also played well. He continues he may get spot on Net team.


both are Briggie boys.

What can I say...add this one to the endless list of Sir Isiah Thomas' mistakes

Not yet.
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7/10/2006  11:48 PM
How can it be a mistake in summer league? Don't we have to wait until the guy has actually played some NBA games? I don't watch the Summer League games for the stats as much as how the player is handling their duties. Its only a peak at what kind of skills a player has. Most of it won't translate into NBA games. In terms of overall talent we all Know MW was the better player, however that's not what the Balkman pick was about. Isiah is trying to build a TEAM and for the forseeable future we won't have any room for another Guard who's about the same as the guys we already have. We needed more role players who fill in the gaps and do all the little things that help a team win. We didn't NEED another PG.
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7/11/2006  12:17 AM
if our draft had gone:

20 - Marcus
29 - Balkman

I don't think anyone would be complaining. but, can we please move the hell on?
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7/11/2006  12:19 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

if our draft had gone:

20 - Marcus
29 - Balkman

I don't think anyone would be complaining. but, can we please move the hell on?

I'm ready and willing to move on but I think Isiah should be held accountable becuase the Knicks should be taking BPA every draft until they get to a point where they are a contending team who can draft based on need and NOT to build talent level. The Knicks should be building talent level right now and Marcus Williams is going to be a top PG in the NBA for years to come.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-11-2006 12:24 AM]
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7/11/2006  12:30 AM
its funny how we didn't draft Marcus because of a glut at PG but we have no problem trading for Nate & Francis
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7/11/2006  12:36 AM
I'm ready and willing to move on but I think Isiah should be held accountable becuase the Knicks should be taking BPA every draft until they get to a point where they are a contending team who can draft based on need and NOT to build talent level. The Knicks should be building talent level right now and Marcus Williams is going to be a top PG in the NBA for years to come.

I could have sworn you were taking the opposite stance in another thread just today, advocating not building talent level solely for the sake of talent rather than a solid team.

its funny how we didn't draft Marcus because of a glut at PG but we have no problem trading for Nate & Francis

Was there a glut at PG when the Knicks obtained Robinson? No. Was there a glut when Francis was obtained? Not really. There is no glut now, but if another PG was added, there would be a glut, that is certain.

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7/11/2006  12:36 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

its funny how we didn't draft Marcus because of a glut at PG but we have no problem trading for Nate & Francis

2 guys who will get time at PG who are nowhere near a PG. Sigh.
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7/11/2006  12:39 AM
Posted by oohah:
I'm ready and willing to move on but I think Isiah should be held accountable becuase the Knicks should be taking BPA every draft until they get to a point where they are a contending team who can draft based on need and NOT to build talent level. The Knicks should be building talent level right now and Marcus Williams is going to be a top PG in the NBA for years to come.

I could have sworn you were taking the opposite stance in another thread just today, advocating not building talent level solely for the sake of talent rather than a solid team.

I was talking soley about guys on the team who are called "talent players" but have yet to show any results for that talent level. Players like Marbury and Francis who people say are top-talents in the league but they have nothing to back it up besides a bunch of stats and not playoff victories. I was basically saying it because Holfresh was saying Frye should start becuase of his talent level and I disagree because I feel Lee brings more to the table with his rebounding and defense, something lacking in the in the starting lineup and not just having "future talent" like Mr. Frye.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-11-2006 12:40 AM]
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7/11/2006  12:41 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Defense wins in the NBA playoffs. All I want is for the Knicks to hire someone who has a plan and that his plan includes some semblence of Defense. DEFENSE WINS!

I think it's funny that this is your quote and the Knicks drafted two defensive, team-oriented players and you are lamenting that we didn't draft the offensive player...
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7/11/2006  12:42 AM
I was talking soley about guys on the team who are called "talent players" but have yet to show any results for that talent level. Players like Marbury and Francis who people say are top-talents in the league but they have nothing to back it up besides a bunch of stats and not playoff victories. I was basically saying it because Holfresh was saying Frye should start becuase of his talent level and I disagree because I feel Lee brings more to the table in the starting lineup and not just having "future talent

Okay, but I would have to put Williams in the class of guys who have yet to show any results for talent level if only because he is a rookie. Let's not include college Steve Francis had a successful college career. Nobody knows what this guy will be. He is "future talent" more than Frye is, because Frye has shown he can play with the big boys and do his thing.

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[Edited by - oohah on 07-11-2006 12:43 AM]
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7/11/2006  12:43 AM
right now I'm not even sure if Lee can start against NBA 4's. Our frontcourt is a mess, no bulk, no defense & no shotblocking. Lets not even talk about our starting backcourt of 6-2 Marbury & 6-3 Francis
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7/11/2006  12:43 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Defense wins in the NBA playoffs. All I want is for the Knicks to hire someone who has a plan and that his plan includes some semblence of Defense. DEFENSE WINS!

I think it's funny that this is your quote and the Knicks drafted two defensive, team-oriented players and you are lamenting that we didn't draft the offensive player...

I love the Mardy Collins pick, you will never find me complaining about his pick. I like the Balkman pick too but I feel like you can't pass up drafting Marcus and taking the chance Balkman will be around in a few picks because Williams is that good of a player. Who knows if Balkman will even be a good defensive player yet, he's a risk pick at the moment.

So in other words its not funny.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-11-2006 12:46 AM]
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7/11/2006  12:46 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

right now I'm not even sure if Lee can start against NBA 4's. Our frontcourt is a mess, no bulk, no defense & no shotblocking. Lets not even talk about our starting backcourt of 6-2 Marbury & 6-3 Francis

and how would drafting Marcus Williams fix that?

Lee has proven he can start against NBA 3's. He gave the Suns and the Mavs fits. Frye is a shotblocker. Balkman is a shotblocker. It's about creating a system to suit the talent, not forcing talent that doesn't fit into the wrong system.
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7/11/2006  12:47 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Defense wins in the NBA playoffs. All I want is for the Knicks to hire someone who has a plan and that his plan includes some semblence of Defense. DEFENSE WINS!

I think it's funny that this is your quote and the Knicks drafted two defensive, team-oriented players and you are lamenting that we didn't draft the offensive player...

I love the Mardy Collins pick, you will never find me complaining about his pick. I like the Balkman pick too but I feel like you can't pass up drafting Marcus and taking the chance Balkman will be around in a few picks because Williams is that good of a player. Who knows if Balkman will even be a good defensive player yet, he's a risk pick at the moment.

So in other words its not funny.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-11-2006 12:46 AM]

ironic, then, maybe?
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7/11/2006  12:47 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by gunsnewing:

right now I'm not even sure if Lee can start against NBA 4's. Our frontcourt is a mess, no bulk, no defense & no shotblocking. Lets not even talk about our starting backcourt of 6-2 Marbury & 6-3 Francis

and how would drafting Marcus Williams fix that?

Lee has proven he can start against NBA 3's. He gave the Suns and the Mavs fits. Frye is a shotblocker. Balkman is a shotblocker. It's about creating a system to suit the talent, not forcing talent that doesn't fit into the wrong system.


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7/11/2006  12:50 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Defense wins in the NBA playoffs. All I want is for the Knicks to hire someone who has a plan and that his plan includes some semblence of Defense. DEFENSE WINS!

I think it's funny that this is your quote and the Knicks drafted two defensive, team-oriented players and you are lamenting that we didn't draft the offensive player...

I love the Mardy Collins pick, you will never find me complaining about his pick. I like the Balkman pick too but I feel like you can't pass up drafting Marcus and taking the chance Balkman will be around in a few picks because Williams is that good of a player. Who knows if Balkman will even be a good defensive player yet, he's a risk pick at the moment.

So in other words its not funny.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-11-2006 12:46 AM]

ironic, then, maybe?

I would say ironic is the right word. Yes I preach defense but a player like Marcus Williams, I feel only comes around so often. Believe me, I'm not taking Briggs word here, I seen Williams play many times in college, been to the games, watched them on TV and I was impressed with him since day one. The guy just knows how to run a offense, he can run a halfcourt offense and a fullcourt offense. My whole problem is that the Knicks are rebuilding and NEED to be stockpiling a combination of players(defense is at the top of my list) and a true PG is also at the top of the list and I think Williams fits that perfectly.

This is why I'm holding Isiah accountable. You won't find me complaining about Balkman as a player, I like what he brings, just think it was a real stretch to draft him where he was drafted when a player of Williams caliber is on the table and Isiah doesn't want to draft just becuase he has two 30 yr old PGs on the roster already.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-11-2006 12:52 AM]
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