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7/6/2006  5:33 AM
I think they aren't even reading what they are writing. no objectivity whatsoever. I mean, 23 wins is 23 wins, to say a double win total or it's a failure is pretty weak imho and shows the lack of support they are really bringing to the table this year.

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7/6/2006  6:41 AM
also, try actually hearing the quotes in context (for once)

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one line that stuck out...

nate "larry is old school, he doesn't want you to get the crowd involved"
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7/6/2006  7:08 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job.
What's comical is that some people take a cop-out, admitting he did a crappy job but then thinking he should not have been fired!

Oh sure....Indy, Detroit, SA, and Philly should all have fired him after one year, I mean you know how normal a one and done coaching stint is. Oh, wait, that usually only happens with Isiah as the GM!
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7/6/2006  7:10 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I think they aren't even reading what they are writing. no objectivity whatsoever. I mean, 23 wins is 23 wins, to say a double win total or it's a failure is pretty weak imho and shows the lack of support they are really bringing to the table this year.

Isiah said this team is a good team. He said that the only reason we were bad is Larry Brown. Are you telling me that in Isiah's mind a less than .500 team consitutes a good team?
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7/6/2006  7:47 AM
Basketball is a game played by young men. We ALL were witnesses to the joyless approach to the game last season.

No one quit. Unless you have some insight from practices, conversation WITH players or access to the locker room it is all speculation from a safe distance.

The Knicks have a fragile roster dominated by 26 and unders in search of their collective voice. It seems the collective voice just WANTS desperately to play inspired basketball.

In a city where the press is hair-quick on the negative trigger, and the fans moan and rip their hair out over college players BEFORE they play a single game in a Knicks uniform like the world has come to an end...

What, exactly, is the problem with having young players receive encouragement again?

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-06-2006 07:49 AM]
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7/6/2006  8:10 AM
yup, the negative attitudes need to go, this a new year, fresh slate

you guys didnt mention how LB had reservations with this roster, he didnt want a single player on it, praised the other teams players in public and acted likehis own players were a group of retards.

The rookies had the utmost respect for larry, even when larry was playing musical chairs with them, Lee would start 6 games, than start 1 more time over the final 2 monhts of the season, nate was in the dog house for 2 weeks, and channing never played in the 1st game of the year, and than started for a brief stretch, but than was relegated to the bench
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/6/2006  8:37 AM
Islesfan, I mean, do you say idiotic stuff just to get a response? Its everybody's fault but LB's? I mean, what do you want to happen? Are you exclusively an Isle's fan? Your constant negativity is trying my patience. The vets say LB created a negative atmosphere, but you think they are wrong because they are all loser has-beens. The rookies think LB created a negative atmosphere, but they are towing the company line... When do you admit you were wrong? No one is saying LB isn't a good coach. We are saying he made piss poor decisions in NY.

Maybe you can adopt this:
[Islesfan] Sorry guys, I was wrong. Like LB, I create an environment of negativity. I try to take the joy of all you little Nate Robinsons'. Pass me some Kool-aid... this hatorade is defiling my soul... [/Islesfan]
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7/6/2006  8:41 AM
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7/6/2006  8:51 AM
yet, but than again...the islanders havent been winning anythign recently either...funny thingis their old gm was a dummy and the owner was delusional...this must explain why isles is always mad
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/6/2006  8:53 AM
Lee didn't say anything that wasn't said by everyone on this board, he played well he played hard and then he didn't play. He was perfect in the starting lineup and was one of the better rebounders in the nba when he got time.

Obvioulsy the guys were confused and Frye should have recieved more time and should have been starting next to AD with Curry coming off the bench, who by the way needs to play summer league so he is in shape when the season starts but is a fat dump of **** who doesn't care about the game.....

And Nate is really bothersome, he still hasn't mastered the english language, and doesn't realize that Larry was just trying to help him understand his position......staring a bench down in a 30 point loss when you catch an open dunk is professional, you can get the crowd involved and still play to them in a professional manner.....

They are however going to play much better under Isiah, but most of them will never be winners
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7/6/2006  8:56 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by rvhoss:

I think they aren't even reading what they are writing. no objectivity whatsoever. I mean, 23 wins is 23 wins, to say a double win total or it's a failure is pretty weak imho and shows the lack of support they are really bringing to the table this year.
Isiah said this team is a good team. He said that the only reason we were bad is Larry Brown. Are you telling me that in Isiah's mind a less than .500 team consitutes a good team?
IMO, this team is a .500 team and better. Thats a good team compared to the rest of the Knick teams post 2000. Isiah isnt the problem yet. Give him a year to coach and manage.
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7/6/2006  8:59 AM
first off, there really aren't that many players that have a grasp of the english language, so to expect every player from the slums to suddenly speak with quick wit and a firm grasp of the english language is more just being funny than being serious.

So i don't hold that against him, currently we have a few players that have a very good grasp of the english language and can play basketball.

Qrich and Channing frye are my two team spokeman going forward.

man, you think qrich can work it out and come back the man?

he was the second most prized free agent signing after kobe not too long ago.
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7/6/2006  9:03 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job.
What's comical is that some people take a cop-out, admitting he did a crappy job but then thinking he should not have been fired!
He may have had poor records there in year 1 (I don't even remember) but he didn't do a poor job. He didn't handle things with the highest imaginable degree of insanity and senility there, be it player rotations, relations with players, or media statements.

Oh sure....Indy, Detroit, SA, and Philly should all have fired him after one year, I mean you know how normal a one and done coaching stint is. Oh, wait, that usually only happens with Isiah as the GM!
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7/6/2006  9:04 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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Posted by rvhoss:

I think they aren't even reading what they are writing. no objectivity whatsoever. I mean, 23 wins is 23 wins, to say a double win total or it's a failure is pretty weak imho and shows the lack of support they are really bringing to the table this year.
Isiah said this team is a good team. He said that the only reason we were bad is Larry Brown. Are you telling me that in Isiah's mind a less than .500 team consitutes a good team?
IMO, this team is a .500 team and better. Thats a good team compared to the rest of the Knick teams post 2000. Isiah isnt the problem yet. Give him a year to coach and manage.

I am. I already conceded this team will have a better record this year. But the way Isiah basically said that last season was Larry's fault, and I have to think he thought this team was at least .500 before Larry, 4 games over .500 is not that hard of a watermark to reach for him.

The fact that it is a 22 game improvement means nothing because-like I said-if this was all Larry's fault, Isiah should at the very least coach this roster to an average season-and with this talent level and Frye's and Lee's improvement- 4 wins over .500 is not that hard, IMO.
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7/6/2006  9:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job.
What's comical is that some people take a cop-out, admitting he did a crappy job but then thinking he should not have been fired!


Oh sure....Indy, Detroit, SA, and Philly should all have fired him after one year, I mean you know how normal a one and done coaching stint is. Oh, wait, that usually only happens with Isiah as the GM!

He may have had poor records there in year 1 (I don't even remember) but he didn't do a poor job. He didn't handle things with the highest imaginable degree of insanity and senility there, be it player rotations, relations with players, or media statements.

Bonn, this type of arguement doesn't make sense to me. In the first sentence you are not even sure if in year 1 LB has a bad track records but state with certainty that you know how he handled each of his teams in those same year 1 seasons.
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7/6/2006  9:21 AM
Posted by MS:

Lee didn't say anything that wasn't said by everyone on this board, he played well he played hard and then he didn't play. He was perfect in the starting lineup and was one of the better rebounders in the nba when he got time.

Obvioulsy the guys were confused and Frye should have recieved more time and should have been starting next to AD with Curry coming off the bench, who by the way needs to play summer league so he is in shape when the season starts but is a fat dump of **** who doesn't care about the game.....

And Nate is really bothersome, he still hasn't mastered the english language, and doesn't realize that Larry was just trying to help him understand his position......staring a bench down in a 30 point loss when you catch an open dunk is professional, you can get the crowd involved and still play to them in a professional manner.....

They are however going to play much better under Isiah, but most of them will never be winners


Quick question what does mastering the english language have to do with playing basketball? Man you guys kill me, I'll take a guy with the vocabulary of a mule who can score 50 points, 20 boards and 10 assists a night. So your point is?
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7/6/2006  9:28 AM
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That's really sad to hear. I thought Frye and Lee (Nate is a lost cause) had more class than to pile onto the Company line.

Frye played 24 min a night and probably would have averaged more if not for his season ending injury. That's 4 minutes less than the #1 overall pick and the same as the #2 pick in his draft class. Yeah, LB really screwed him with a lack of minutes.

Lee was the 30th pick and he still averaged 17 min and played in 67 games. How many picks that low get that much run in their rookie year?

I'm sure we'll be hearing everyone else say the same things (I don't think they're allowed to say anything else, especially with the omnipresent Knicks PR person accompanying them to every interview, Company policy you understand) for the next 4 months. All I can say to that is, you better put up when the time comes or else.

Stop right there! That is the most outrageous thing. I can take criticism of Isiah- I am not an Isiah lover or a brown hater.

But the fact is Frye made the NBA All Rookie team and Coach Brown left him off the active roster for the first game of the year.

Explain that!

Frye should have been the starting PF from GAME 1- not only because he was our best PF talent wise, but because he is the future PF and last season wasn't about winning, it was about building a winner.

And don't spew this crap that that is what Brown was doing.

Answer me this- has Brown ever pulled this stunt of 42 different starting rotations before?

Has he ever not played his best players because 'they need to learn to play the right way'

Brown, for whatever unknown reason, screwed up. I am not sure what message he was trying to send, or what he was doing, but the record speaks for itself.

Of course, the players are going to say things like they're excited to play for Isiah. Its the other comments like Nate saying he would do what Brown told him to do, and then the next day, it would be different.

Sure, Nate might have ADD, but its the coaches job to make sure players know what they need to do.
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7/6/2006  9:31 AM
rv - i'm no more lost than you are.

my problem is why these things are being said now. lb is gone. the players said their piece in the exit interviews and he's gone b/c of it. so when asked about lb, they should just say something like "no comment or we moved on". but they didn't. they continued to push the "lb was the reason we lost last year" mantra. dolan, isiah, and now all the players are saying it. so they're completely holding lb accountable for everything and themselves for nothing.

alot of you think this is ok and some feel vindicated. to that i say "puh-leaze". is this some sort of war of words or "who's right and who's wrong?". just like when dolan said isiah has one year and gave him the ultimatum on tv. like that's supposed to mean anything.

when will they stop with all this bravado and he said/she said crap and concentrate on what's best for the team and the franchise? that's what i'm upset about.
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7/6/2006  9:37 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by rvhoss:

I think they aren't even reading what they are writing. no objectivity whatsoever. I mean, 23 wins is 23 wins, to say a double win total or it's a failure is pretty weak imho and shows the lack of support they are really bringing to the table this year.
Isiah said this team is a good team. He said that the only reason we were bad is Larry Brown. Are you telling me that in Isiah's mind a less than .500 team consitutes a good team?
IMO, this team is a .500 team and better. Thats a good team compared to the rest of the Knick teams post 2000. Isiah isnt the problem yet. Give him a year to coach and manage.

I am. I already conceded this team will have a better record this year. But the way Isiah basically said that last season was Larry's fault, and I have to think he thought this team was at least .500 before Larry, 4 games over .500 is not that hard of a watermark to reach for him.

The fact that it is a 22 game improvement means nothing because-like I said-if this was all Larry's fault, Isiah should at the very least coach this roster to an average season-and with this talent level and Frye's and Lee's improvement- 4 wins over .500 is not that hard, IMO.
Last season was Browns fault. The team could've been .500 w/out Larry. Lenny Wilkens did a better job with a worse team so if the team was .500 this year, we would have had some trading chips. Larry messed up last year and this year for us. The 22 game improvement would have meant nothing anyway cause our goal isnt being .500 its winning a championship. Isiah will coach us to a .500 record and then start trading, working on the cap etc.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 07-06-2006 09:37 AM]
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7/6/2006  9:38 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

This is why Brown wanted one or two of his former players on the team, so they could tell guys "he was the same way with us, and we all hated him, but we rode it out and then things clicked and we went far together." Instead our leaders are uncrackable nuts, hellbent on playing their way, and giving the coach ultimatums thru the media after just 7 games.

Reggie Miller was said to have hated Brown, but as a TV analyst he called him the best coach in the game, bar none. And he probably "liked" Isiah better.

I'm glad our guys like our new coach more, and I'm glad our new coach likes these guys more. But I'd feel a lot better about the whole thing if I had more faith in the leadership of this team -- but our leaders problems have revealed themselves under a multitude of coaching styles. I don't believe in finding that one needle in the haystack of coaches. Isiah makes the 5th in 2.5 years. It's not good enough he be better than Brown (who he signed). He has to make this roster (who he signed) make sense.


Are you sure larry coached the same way this season as he has in the past? becuase I dont think he did. I honestly dont think bringing in a vet that has played for larry before would help, since this time around, he clearly wasnt interested in winning, and didnt put this team through the same things he put previous teams through. popovich cant be that different of a coach than brown, and even malik rose was confused. and AD, who if Im not mistaken but may be, did play for brown, and he also described the atmosphere as a circus when he left. so in mho, your theory about bringing in vets that have experience with brown being beneficial to the team is wrong. becuase brown has never done what he has done here before.



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