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joec32033
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7/6/2006  12:14 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

You mean the last five games where half were NOT coached by larry brown, oh those last 5 games.

As martin was able to do to me, I think you are beginning to see the light...my job is done here.


Posted by joec32033:
joe, did you say nate got playing time? you really have no recollection of last year at all.

Nate got 21 minutes per game last year, in inconsistent minutes per game. The last 5 games he played 45, 29, 37, 33, 35 minutes.
[Edited by - joec32033 on 07-06-2006 12:10 PM]

Hey RV...just ignore that whole Nate ranking 12th in minutes thing....you know....72 games, 1,543 minutes...that really wasn't the point. You can get alot of info going by the "5 games" Larry half coaches as opposed to the 68 he apparently did and STILL played Nate....

my job is done here.

Yeah, even the court jester needs a break once in a while.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 07-06-2006 12:15 PM]
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7/6/2006  12:17 PM
bip, your post could be rewrittin

Once again [insert haterade consumer] you feel everyone has to have your opinion to be correct. I have to hate EVERYTHING LB ISIAH/DOLAN does or else I am a lover. I have not changed my opinion of LB. I respect his style. A lot of his style I have taken elements from. I am a disciplinarian coach.
i knew this, see my previous post, and how did I know this?
you also sound like an adult, rare for these parts (jokes martin...btw, I can handle the double teaming today, because I believe in my team!
But that does not mean I coach like LB and that I think he did a good job this year. It's okay to respect someone and not like what they did this year. My favorite player of all time was Charlie Ward, guess what, he had many a mediocre season. I'm sorry I don't fall into your hate everything about him or that means you love him philosophy.

now we are getting somewhere. I said is that I agree with you in the larry brown philosophy of break them down and build them up. or do you need to reread my post

my only issue is that some of you are now saying the rooks that were the lone bright spot last year were ALSO part of the problem, when it's getting more and more clear (and will continue to get more and more clear) that it really was just LB.

It wasn't that he was a crappy coach, it just was that he failed at his job last year.

He's a great coach...he's won at every level, but last year he stunk up the joint.

Maybe you need to see hoosiers again.
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7/6/2006  12:17 PM

Posted by joec32033:

i have nothing to say so I will attack you...

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7/6/2006  12:22 PM
Posted by rvhoss:


Posted by joec32033:

I already said what I needed to say, so RV, how about proof otherwise?

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7/6/2006  12:25 PM
all due respect to Channing Frye, but he really doesn't know jack about what it takes to win at the NBA level just yet... if it takes every player on the roster to hate LB's guts to get his team to win, i have a feeling LB would choose that route over the one where every player loves him because of all the positive reinforcement & patting on the tooshie after a made play.
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7/6/2006  12:30 PM
rv: Please go back and show me where I have been critical of any of the rookies at any point in time. Please stop lumping people into categories and read the names next to the posts or simply don't respond. It makes for very boring posting and then I have to bring sarcasm into it to entertain myself instead of actually discussing our opinions on how the Knicks can get better. Instead it's just a circle argument with you stating what my opinion is or was or should be(not sure which one)instead of just reading the posts and having an enjoyable conversation.

LB is not the only disciplanarian coach and he actually is not the standard bearer. In truth Pat Riley is the standard bearer because he is a disciplinarian with a few more rings. Once again I have been called a Chaney lover, a Herb lover, a Lenny lover, an LB lover and at some point will probably be called a Zeke lover. I don't care for any of them. I don't know any of them and am only a lover of the Knicks. I want to see results. I don't care about the names. When we win I dont' care who my coach or PG or GM is. What I care about is an organization that builds a team by deciding on a philosophy, hiring a coach that fits that philosophy and then bringing in players that fit that philosophy. We have yet to do that.

Now with Isiah as GM/Coach(a situation I do not like) we are at least on the same page in that respect. We now have a coach the players obviously support and obviously like. So now it's finally on the players to stop using our coach's as an excuse and come out playing and producing wins. Unfortunatley the 1 year ultimatum hurts this thought process.

So seriously enough of this nonsense about loving LB or anyone else. He is a great coach. A great coach. He has proven it everywhere he went. I respect his ability immensley. He is a proven winner fired by a team in which noone has won. This is a fact and is not an opinion of mine. That being said, it was a bad hire. LB was not the right man for the job here because we were not ready to take part in his plan. We had a different philosophy. That is okay. Not every coahc is a fit. But now it's time for the team to move on. Enough excuses. Enough young guys vs. the old guys. Enough we played hard but they didn't. Eveyrone play hard or else we go down as a team!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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7/6/2006  12:38 PM
sorry, I was mistaken bip. you never did that at all.
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7/6/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by misterearl:

nyk4ever - in case you missed it, Channing Frye played extremely well LAST season

He will only get better with experience, confidence and the respect of the refs.

What more can one ask but that?

Earl, where did I say anything disparaging about Frye. All I said was that I hope he plays extremely well for Isiah Thomas and backs up his statements. How is that disparaging?

Take a look back at all my posts from last year, all I did was praise Frye last year, the only time I've come close to disparaging him is saying he needs to play better defense.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-06-2006 12:42 PM]
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7/6/2006  12:42 PM
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7/6/2006  12:47 PM
I absolutely love our young guys. They play hard and they played well under tough circumstances. Taht being said this is about being a team. The rookies are as responsible for 23 wins as the vets. I dont' want to hear the vets using the coahc or the young guys or vice versa as excuses. Come out and play. We won 23 games. From Gm/coach/owner to player on a team everyone is responsible.

Now LB is gone. Judging by the comments by the rookies and soon to be the vets I am under the assumption everyone will come to play next year. And when someone doesn't instead of blaming Isiah they will all go after the guy that doesn't. That is my assumption. No more I played hard but he didn't. No more I played hard but didn't know my role. No more of this talk. Produce. 23 wins gives noone a pass.

I find it okay to be critical of players without thinking it's bashing and without hating the guys. But that's just me.
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7/6/2006  12:50 PM
In the real world it's okay to love ta player and not like an act. Or it's okay to hate a player and still love an act.

In the kool aid world it's all or nothing.
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7/6/2006  12:50 PM
Posted by joec32033:
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*Larry went senile. We didn't need an article to tell us this!

Apparently so did Lenny....who would've figured one GM would've hired two guys who would just happen to go senile a the exact moment the took over the Knicks......go figure.

I live near Toronto where he coached before NY. Most Toronto fans will tell you Lenny went senile well before coming to the Knicks.

LoL. Bonn, do you think Zeke made a bad call on Lenny, knowing that Zeke probably should have known that information?

Zeke made a TERRIBLE call on Lenny. I've said many times he should be fired as GM. Can we stick to Larry for once?

For once? We've been sticking to Larry for about 6 freakin' months! *You brought up how Larry went senile-you don't think that it is relevant to bring up the fact that another seasoned HOF-caliber coach was brought in a season and a half before, couldn't win with the players Isiah got him, and was fired and labeled senile and forgetting to coach?

BTW-This thread is about the difference between Larry's camp and Zeke's camp. LB's "senility" had nothing to do with it...
No, this thread is about "Candid comments by Channing"; Larry's performance (affected by his senility) is right on topic. Lenny Wilkens couldn't be further off. But we agree on Lenny being a terrible decision by Isiah anyway. I still have no clue why you brought him up! Was it just so we could actually agree on something?

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7/6/2006  12:54 PM
the Knicks continue to be an experiment gone wrong.

Larry's out'

listening to Frye, sounds like they aren't picking up the Quick either.
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7/6/2006  12:58 PM

No, this thread is about "Candid comments by Channing"; Larry's performance (affected by his senility) is right on topic. Lenny Wilkens couldn't be further off. But we agree on Lenny being a terrible decision by Isiah anyway. I still have no clue why you brought him up! Was it just so we could actually agree on something?

Actually, It had to do withe Zeke hiring two senile coaches but either way I MUCH preferred Fratello to Lenny when he was hired.
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7/6/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by joec32033:

No, this thread is about "Candid comments by Channing"; Larry's performance (affected by his senility) is right on topic. Lenny Wilkens couldn't be further off. But we agree on Lenny being a terrible decision by Isiah anyway. I still have no clue why you brought him up! Was it just so we could actually agree on something?

Actually, It had to do withe Zeke hiring two senile coaches
Really? Is that what the article starting this thread focussed on?
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7/6/2006  1:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:

No, this thread is about "Candid comments by Channing"; Larry's performance (affected by his senility) is right on topic. Lenny Wilkens couldn't be further off. But we agree on Lenny being a terrible decision by Isiah anyway. I still have no clue why you brought him up! Was it just so we could actually agree on something?

Actually, It had to do withe Zeke hiring two senile coaches
Really? Is that what the article starting this thread focussed on?

Here we go again.....You said Larry was senile. I said what are the chances that a GM hires two senile coaches (Larry, and Isiah hired Lenny before him who everyone used the same "senile" line on. That is the connection to this thread). So far the two hall of fame caliber coaches that were brought in whose styles didn't work with the talent Isiah brought in are senile. Bonn, is this your quote?
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Larry went senile. We didn't need an article to tell us this!

I responded on how it was a coincidence that 2 HOF caliber coaches we hired all of a sudden went senile after they couldn't coach the talent Isiah put together:

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quote:Originally posted by Bonn1997:

Larry went senile. We didn't need an article to tell us this!



Apparently so did Lenny....who would've figured one GM would've hired two guys who would just happen to go senile a the exact moment the took over the Knicks......go figure.

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7/6/2006  3:53 PM
I responded on how it was a coincidence that 2 HOF caliber coaches we hired all of a sudden went senile after they couldn't coach the talent Isiah put together
So then you brought Lenny in for no reason (other than that we could both agree that Isiah made a bad decision I guess)
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7/6/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
I responded on how it was a coincidence that 2 HOF caliber coaches we hired all of a sudden went senile after they couldn't coach the talent Isiah put together
So then you brought Lenny in for no reason (other than that we could both agree that Isiah made a bad decision I guess)

No he brought in Lenny because everyone called him senile along with Larry and these same players played under both Larry and Lenny. Did 2 HOF coaches go senile or do the Knicks just have players that don't want to buy into their coaches systems.
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7/6/2006  3:56 PM
I already answered that
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7/6/2006  4:14 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
I responded on how it was a coincidence that 2 HOF caliber coaches we hired all of a sudden went senile after they couldn't coach the talent Isiah put together
So then you brought Lenny in for no reason (other than that we could both agree that Isiah made a bad decision I guess)

No he brought in Lenny because everyone called him senile along with Larry and these same players played under both Larry and Lenny. Did 2 HOF coaches go senile or do the Knicks just have players that don't want to buy into their coaches systems.

Thank you NYK, I appreciate the attempt, but from now on we need an English to Bonn translator present at all times.
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