Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by franco12:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:


i know who this player is. He a skinny hustle player who has 0 offensive skills other than dunking. he may flash some at SL but when it comes to the big show he will get exposed. there is very little market for this type of player in todays game of advancing skill players.

he scored 3 OR LESS points EIGHT times this year and for all of his rebounding prowless he mamaged double figures 6 times. and as for character, well, give him time hes no angel

Sounds almost like Bruce Bowen and he's managed to stay in the league all these years. Granted, Bruce has been able to knock down threes, but he has always been the guy you didn't need to cover or had to double off, thus, he is wide open.




Mark it down. In a league that is heavily reliant upon skills, a player like this is a dinosaur. Unless you are a 7 foot shot blocker the scrapper is a position that is going wayside. But when you take pick 50 at 20 dont you expect backlash?

What if this guy is the Michael Redd of this years draft? Someone who would most likely have been picked in the second round for whatever reason, but who would have established himself as worthy of a first round pick?

Would you be bashing Isiah if he had in Redds draft picked him? Right now, you would.

I have an open mind- I think I would have preferred Josh Boone- but, I am willing to wait and see what this guy does bring to the table.

Isiah has had decent drafts- I think its the one thing he gets even from his critics.

Now- I will grant you this- that Isiah has reached a bit for this guy, and if he doesn't impress, he will be due criticism. The pressure is on this guy to perform this year.

Posted by misterearl:

Briggs - haw many games did you actually watch Blakman play?

jusr curious

Posted by firefly:

Posted by djsunyc:

i think we have to look at it this way: our future is in frye and curry's hands. two big men that need the ball delivered to them at the right spots.

that's why we needed to draft marcus williams. a core of marcus, frye, and curry - that's what we would've been looking at.

we had to think big picture here but we didn't b/c isiah is one his one year deadline. his lame duck status hurt us yesterday in teh draft.

I have no expectations of our 2 picks this year. I hope they do well, I can see what Isiah saw in them to pick them and based on what they have shown, I hope that they will do well for the Knicks. But your saying that we should have picked a player to not only beat out Marbury and Francis for the starting PG spot, but to run the point as a rookie PG and help Curry and Frye succeed.

I just want to say at this stage, that I dont believe Marcus Williams can do that now, and it's a helluva lot of pressure to put on a rookie, regardless.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by firefly:

Posted by djsunyc:

i think we have to look at it this way: our future is in frye and curry's hands. two big men that need the ball delivered to them at the right spots.

that's why we needed to draft marcus williams. a core of marcus, frye, and curry - that's what we would've been looking at.

we had to think big picture here but we didn't b/c isiah is one his one year deadline. his lame duck status hurt us yesterday in teh draft.

I have no expectations of our 2 picks this year. I hope they do well, I can see what Isiah saw in them to pick them and based on what they have shown, I hope that they will do well for the Knicks. But your saying that we should have picked a player to not only beat out Marbury and Francis for the starting PG spot, but to run the point as a rookie PG and help Curry and Frye succeed.

I just want to say at this stage, that I dont believe Marcus Williams can do that now, and it's a helluva lot of pressure to put on a rookie, regardless.

marcus would not play for us this year. it's a move for the future. there would be ZERO pressure on him.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by firefly:

Posted by djsunyc:

i think we have to look at it this way: our future is in frye and curry's hands. two big men that need the ball delivered to them at the right spots.

that's why we needed to draft marcus williams. a core of marcus, frye, and curry - that's what we would've been looking at.

we had to think big picture here but we didn't b/c isiah is one his one year deadline. his lame duck status hurt us yesterday in teh draft.

I have no expectations of our 2 picks this year. I hope they do well, I can see what Isiah saw in them to pick them and based on what they have shown, I hope that they will do well for the Knicks. But your saying that we should have picked a player to not only beat out Marbury and Francis for the starting PG spot, but to run the point as a rookie PG and help Curry and Frye succeed.

I just want to say at this stage, that I dont believe Marcus Williams can do that now, and it's a helluva lot of pressure to put on a rookie, regardless.

marcus would not play for us this year. it's a move for the future. there would be ZERO pressure on him.

if isiah took him, almost every knick fan would be thrilled.

i was at the draft. after 15 was announced, then 16, then 17, etc. the buzz in the garden was building. it may sound dramatic but it was. myself and about 5-6 other people around me were saying "there's no way marcus is going to drop to us." 18...then 19...the place was seriously going nuts. if they took marcus, EVERYBODY would've been happy. everybody would've defended the pick. we all would've been saying, i can't believe we got a lotto talent at #20 - we're lucky. there was sense of hope in the building like we were finally going to catch a break. but then when stern announced ronald mcbalkman, the crowd turned into a lynch mob. it was brutal. people were cursing all over the place. tough site. and i figured it would be the same on the boards as well.

but it's not just about PR, he really was a better talent than balkman and we should've drafted him. with all our young exciting players that like to score, what better than a young pg that likes to pass?

Posted by firefly:

Posted by Solace:

Originally posted by TMS:

[quote]Originally posted by Solace:

Solace, the reason some people are keeping an open mind about Isiah's pick is because he's had a good past history of drafting good talent in the recent past for this organization... Scott Layden's draft picks for this organization all have not amounted to jack squat in the NBA... is Mike Sweetney at #9 a value pick in your eyes? it isn't to me... Maciej Lampe? Milos Vujanic? Slavko Vranes? have they done anything in the NBA to date? in comparison, i think Isiah's earned at least the benefit of the doubt from last year's draft... let's see how this guy Balkman turns out before we bash him... he could be a nice player we all end up liking... who knows? if he's a bust, then that's the time you can rag on Isiah for making the pick.

Unfair comparisons. Sweetney was considered the BPA at the time at #9. I still would take Sweetney back on the Knicks as the backup PF in a heartbeat. I know you hate Sweetney for some reason, but yo'uve consistently hated him since the day he was drafted. That's fine, but others would disagree. The only other option would've been Collison, who hasn't turned into much either. Lampe at #30 was a steal and was a major piece in our trade to get Marbury. Vujanic at #36 was a steal. Vujanic never came over, but that was because he was roadblocked by the Knicks having THREE point guards and then roadblocked by Steve Nash. He was only coming here to be a starter, but he wasn't given an opportunity to even go to a team where he could get minutes.

Slavko wound up being a bad pick, but at #39 it's not unreasonable to take a project and have him bust. If we took Balkman at #39, nobody has any complaints. Again, the bashing isn't against Balkman. It's against Isiah for taking him AT SUCH A REACH.

Layden got guys who could've gone lottery and did it with high second rounders. Isiah used late first rounders and got guys who could've gone late second round. That's the difference and it's a huge one.

All I want to know is..... are you saying that Layden is a better drafter then Isiah? Think about your credibility before you answer.

[Edited by - firefly on 06-29-2006 11:27 AM]