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6/28/2006  11:34 PM
The only issue I have with him was whether or not he was a value at 20, because imo, value trumps need.
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6/28/2006  11:35 PM
The good news is that if these picks don't work out, we can blame Larry Brown.
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6/28/2006  11:37 PM
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Posted by PhilinLA:

He blew the doors off that pre-draft events. And it is ironic that this is the kind of player everybody always wines about us not having. Well, now we do.

My main complaint is these guys are NOT Isiah type of players! These guys are Larry Brown type of players! I guess Isiah feels he can just lift notes of the guys that were there befoe him or something...I don't get it..LB would have given this draft an A+, IMO. I don't understand this draft.

Isiah drafted Larry Brown's Picks How ironic is that?

Jones, you think that these two guys are really Isiah player? Collins is a 3 position tweener and is not a runner who seems to thrive in a half court offense (most temple players do). Balkman is a defensive specialist. I LOVE the Collins pick. I would have loved picking Balman too, even eaching for him, at 35-40.
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6/28/2006  11:38 PM
If Isiah was smart we'd have Marcus, Renaldo & Collins
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6/28/2006  11:38 PM
hmm
ORLANDO -- A few other players had bigger stats, and many other players have bigger reputations, but South Carolina's Renaldo Balkman generated the most murmurs among NBA player personnel assembled at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp on Thursday.

Where's Balkman? He blocks a drive by elusive UCLA guard Jordan Farmar, throws an outlet pass to a teammate, outruns the pack and ends up finishing the same play with a layup on the other end. Where's Balkman now? He's pushed out-of-bounds by a bigger player, but after the perpetrator snares the ill-gotten rebound, Balkman sneaks back in bounds, snatches the ball out his hands and dunks. Have you seen Balkman? Now he's gotten a long defensive rebound and is dribbling with the dexterity of a point guard, expertly choosing the right wing player for a pass that leads to another basket.

At times during the Thursday-morning game it seemed that a second Renaldo Balkman had checked into the game, since he was involved in twice as many plays as any other player. The mid-sized forward (6-foot-7, 210 pounds) did a little of everything in leading Team Four to a 94-78 victory over Team One. The game was a tight battle in the first half, but when the second half started, so did The Balkman Show.

The man Pre-Draft Camp assistant coach Popeye Jones hilariously dubbed "Humpty" -- for his physical resemblance to a character in the decidedly uncouth 1990 video for the Digital Underground's The Humpty Dance -- took over the game with a torrent of plays at both ends. His numbers (14 points, 11 rebounds, two blocks, two steals) don't capture the unique stamp Balkman put on this game. But Balkman consistently makes plays, including those on the offensive end when no play is called for him. His high-energy, game-altering play has been one of the most surprising developments in this year's camp.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/chris_ekstrand/06/09/orlando/
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6/28/2006  11:39 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

If Isiah was smart we'd have Marcus, Renaldo & Collins

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6/28/2006  11:40 PM
"During Thursday’s action, Popeye Jones and Nick Anderson, both serving as assistant coaches this week, couldn’t help but notice Renaldo Balkman’s striking resemblance to Humpty, lead singer of The Digital Underground."

http://www.nba.com/news/predraft_camp_061006.html

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6/28/2006  11:40 PM
Actually you guys don't know what the HELL you're talking about. Last year Isiah showed that he's capable of picking solid character guys who have talent and have played 4 years in college. He then takes 2 SOLID perimeter defenders. A guy in Collins who makes our smaller scoring guards make SENSE. What the heck is wrong with you people? Can't you recognize when a GM is building a team. Isn't that what you all BITCHED about all year?

You guys that don't like tthis draft are just too much. Isiah said that he wanted to have perimeter defenders with the quickness to be able to double and then recover to the 3 pt line. So he got that and all you can complain about is where he took him. WHO CARES. We had 2 picks and he used them to address our weaknesses. That's 2 offseasons where he's done that. That's GOOD GM work.
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6/28/2006  11:40 PM
TomVerve beat me to it
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6/28/2006  11:41 PM
Posted by tomverve:

hmm
ORLANDO -- A few other players had bigger stats, and many other players have bigger reputations, but South Carolina's Renaldo Balkman generated the most murmurs among NBA player personnel assembled at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp on Thursday.

Where's Balkman? He blocks a drive by elusive UCLA guard Jordan Farmar, throws an outlet pass to a teammate, outruns the pack and ends up finishing the same play with a layup on the other end. Where's Balkman now? He's pushed out-of-bounds by a bigger player, but after the perpetrator snares the ill-gotten rebound, Balkman sneaks back in bounds, snatches the ball out his hands and dunks. Have you seen Balkman? Now he's gotten a long defensive rebound and is dribbling with the dexterity of a point guard, expertly choosing the right wing player for a pass that leads to another basket.

At times during the Thursday-morning game it seemed that a second Renaldo Balkman had checked into the game, since he was involved in twice as many plays as any other player. The mid-sized forward (6-foot-7, 210 pounds) did a little of everything in leading Team Four to a 94-78 victory over Team One. The game was a tight battle in the first half, but when the second half started, so did The Balkman Show.

The man Pre-Draft Camp assistant coach Popeye Jones hilariously dubbed "Humpty" -- for his physical resemblance to a character in the decidedly uncouth 1990 video for the Digital Underground's The Humpty Dance -- took over the game with a torrent of plays at both ends. His numbers (14 points, 11 rebounds, two blocks, two steals) don't capture the unique stamp Balkman put on this game. But Balkman consistently makes plays, including those on the offensive end when no play is called for him. His high-energy, game-altering play has been one of the most surprising developments in this year's camp.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/chris_ekstrand/06/09/orlando/

Tom I'm not arguing that he might be good but theres absolutely NO reason to draft him at 20 when you can take a guy like Marcus Williams(someone you can trade if you dont want to keep him.) It would have given the Knicks more options by taking Balkman at 29.

I love the idea that this guy plays defense but Isiah does not know the art of negotiating or the idea of trading down. He just takes guys where he wants and that can hurt you.
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6/28/2006  11:41 PM
Posted by tomverve:

hmm
ORLANDO -- A few other players had bigger stats, and many other players have bigger reputations, but South Carolina's Renaldo Balkman generated the most murmurs among NBA player personnel assembled at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp on Thursday.

Where's Balkman? He blocks a drive by elusive UCLA guard Jordan Farmar, throws an outlet pass to a teammate, outruns the pack and ends up finishing the same play with a layup on the other end. Where's Balkman now? He's pushed out-of-bounds by a bigger player, but after the perpetrator snares the ill-gotten rebound, Balkman sneaks back in bounds, snatches the ball out his hands and dunks. Have you seen Balkman? Now he's gotten a long defensive rebound and is dribbling with the dexterity of a point guard, expertly choosing the right wing player for a pass that leads to another basket.

At times during the Thursday-morning game it seemed that a second Renaldo Balkman had checked into the game, since he was involved in twice as many plays as any other player. The mid-sized forward (6-foot-7, 210 pounds) did a little of everything in leading Team Four to a 94-78 victory over Team One. The game was a tight battle in the first half, but when the second half started, so did The Balkman Show.

The man Pre-Draft Camp assistant coach Popeye Jones hilariously dubbed "Humpty" -- for his physical resemblance to a character in the decidedly uncouth 1990 video for the Digital Underground's The Humpty Dance -- took over the game with a torrent of plays at both ends. His numbers (14 points, 11 rebounds, two blocks, two steals) don't capture the unique stamp Balkman put on this game. But Balkman consistently makes plays, including those on the offensive end when no play is called for him. His high-energy, game-altering play has been one of the most surprising developments in this year's camp.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/chris_ekstrand/06/09/orlando/


How did M Williams do in pre-draft camps Tomverve? Do you have any links?

I like the Balkman pick and I would not have liked picking WIlliams at either spot.

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6/28/2006  11:41 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Actually you guys don't know what the HELL you're talking about. Last year Isiah showed that he's capable of picking solid character guys who have talent and have played 4 years in college. He then takes 2 SOLID perimeter defenders. A guy in Collins who makes our smaller scoring guards make SENSE. What the heck is wrong with you people? Can't you recognize when a GM is building a team. Isn't that what you all BITCHED about all year?

You guys that don't like tthis draft are just too much. Isiah said that he wanted to have perimeter defenders with the quickness to be able to double and then recover to the 3 pt line. So he got that and all you can complain about is where he took him. WHO CARES. We had 2 picks and he used them to address our weaknesses. That's 2 offseasons where he's done that. That's GOOD GM work.

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6/28/2006  11:43 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Actually you guys don't know what the HELL you're talking about. Last year Isiah showed that he's capable of picking solid character guys who have talent and have played 4 years in college. He then takes 2 SOLID perimeter defenders. A guy in Collins who makes our smaller scoring guards make SENSE. What the heck is wrong with you people? Can't you recognize when a GM is building a team. Isn't that what you all BITCHED about all year?

You guys that don't like tthis draft are just too much. Isiah said that he wanted to have perimeter defenders with the quickness to be able to double and then recover to the 3 pt line. So he got that and all you can complain about is where he took him. WHO CARES. We had 2 picks and he used them to address our weaknesses. That's 2 offseasons where he's done that. That's GOOD GM work.

Yeah...I get it, Isiah is drafting everything LB said wthis team needed and it would take for him to win....oh wait, LB isn't here any more and Isiah is the coach...maybe he could have just hired Larry as a special advisor for a year, I'm sure it wouldn't have cost $50 mil.
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6/28/2006  11:45 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Actually you guys don't know what the HELL you're talking about. Last year Isiah showed that he's capable of picking solid character guys who have talent and have played 4 years in college. He then takes 2 SOLID perimeter defenders. A guy in Collins who makes our smaller scoring guards make SENSE. What the heck is wrong with you people? Can't you recognize when a GM is building a team. Isn't that what you all BITCHED about all year?

You guys that don't like tthis draft are just too much. Isiah said that he wanted to have perimeter defenders with the quickness to be able to double and then recover to the 3 pt line. So he got that and all you can complain about is where he took him. WHO CARES. We had 2 picks and he used them to address our weaknesses. That's 2 offseasons where he's done that. That's GOOD GM work.

No doubt our biggest weakness for the past 3yrs has been perimeter defense but you still don't pass up on talent if its there when you can draft role players later

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06-28-2006 11:46 PM]
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6/28/2006  11:47 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by tomverve:

hmm
ORLANDO -- A few other players had bigger stats, and many other players have bigger reputations, but South Carolina's Renaldo Balkman generated the most murmurs among NBA player personnel assembled at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp on Thursday.

Where's Balkman? He blocks a drive by elusive UCLA guard Jordan Farmar, throws an outlet pass to a teammate, outruns the pack and ends up finishing the same play with a layup on the other end. Where's Balkman now? He's pushed out-of-bounds by a bigger player, but after the perpetrator snares the ill-gotten rebound, Balkman sneaks back in bounds, snatches the ball out his hands and dunks. Have you seen Balkman? Now he's gotten a long defensive rebound and is dribbling with the dexterity of a point guard, expertly choosing the right wing player for a pass that leads to another basket.

At times during the Thursday-morning game it seemed that a second Renaldo Balkman had checked into the game, since he was involved in twice as many plays as any other player. The mid-sized forward (6-foot-7, 210 pounds) did a little of everything in leading Team Four to a 94-78 victory over Team One. The game was a tight battle in the first half, but when the second half started, so did The Balkman Show.

The man Pre-Draft Camp assistant coach Popeye Jones hilariously dubbed "Humpty" -- for his physical resemblance to a character in the decidedly uncouth 1990 video for the Digital Underground's The Humpty Dance -- took over the game with a torrent of plays at both ends. His numbers (14 points, 11 rebounds, two blocks, two steals) don't capture the unique stamp Balkman put on this game. But Balkman consistently makes plays, including those on the offensive end when no play is called for him. His high-energy, game-altering play has been one of the most surprising developments in this year's camp.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/chris_ekstrand/06/09/orlando/

Tom I'm not arguing that he might be good but theres absolutely NO reason to draft him at 20 when you can take a guy like Marcus Williams(someone you can trade if you dont want to keep him.) It would have given the Knicks more options by taking Balkman at 29.

I love the idea that this guy plays defense but Isiah does not know the art of negotiating or the idea of trading down. He just takes guys where he wants and that can hurt you.

don't you get it? This article points to a high interest in Balkman. It is not an absolute given (in spite of some emtional forum members) that he would've lasted to 29.

I also saw something else that said he could go in the bottom of the first round.
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6/28/2006  11:49 PM
Posted by efw:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by tomverve:

hmm
ORLANDO -- A few other players had bigger stats, and many other players have bigger reputations, but South Carolina's Renaldo Balkman generated the most murmurs among NBA player personnel assembled at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp on Thursday.

Where's Balkman? He blocks a drive by elusive UCLA guard Jordan Farmar, throws an outlet pass to a teammate, outruns the pack and ends up finishing the same play with a layup on the other end. Where's Balkman now? He's pushed out-of-bounds by a bigger player, but after the perpetrator snares the ill-gotten rebound, Balkman sneaks back in bounds, snatches the ball out his hands and dunks. Have you seen Balkman? Now he's gotten a long defensive rebound and is dribbling with the dexterity of a point guard, expertly choosing the right wing player for a pass that leads to another basket.

At times during the Thursday-morning game it seemed that a second Renaldo Balkman had checked into the game, since he was involved in twice as many plays as any other player. The mid-sized forward (6-foot-7, 210 pounds) did a little of everything in leading Team Four to a 94-78 victory over Team One. The game was a tight battle in the first half, but when the second half started, so did The Balkman Show.

The man Pre-Draft Camp assistant coach Popeye Jones hilariously dubbed "Humpty" -- for his physical resemblance to a character in the decidedly uncouth 1990 video for the Digital Underground's The Humpty Dance -- took over the game with a torrent of plays at both ends. His numbers (14 points, 11 rebounds, two blocks, two steals) don't capture the unique stamp Balkman put on this game. But Balkman consistently makes plays, including those on the offensive end when no play is called for him. His high-energy, game-altering play has been one of the most surprising developments in this year's camp.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/chris_ekstrand/06/09/orlando/

Tom I'm not arguing that he might be good but theres absolutely NO reason to draft him at 20 when you can take a guy like Marcus Williams(someone you can trade if you dont want to keep him.) It would have given the Knicks more options by taking Balkman at 29.

I love the idea that this guy plays defense but Isiah does not know the art of negotiating or the idea of trading down. He just takes guys where he wants and that can hurt you.

don't you get it? This article points to a high interest in Balkman. It is not an absolute given (in spite of some emtional forum members) that he would've lasted to 29.

I also saw something else that said he could go in the bottom of the first round.


I saw that too but he didn't if by any chance we missed out on him at 29 who cares he's a replaceable role player. You could've also traded up for him
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6/28/2006  11:51 PM
if it's so easy to replace him, why did JYD get paid 15 mil??
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6/28/2006  11:51 PM
Posted by efw:


don't you get it? This article points to a high interest in Balkman. It is not an absolute given (in spite of some emtional forum members) that he would've lasted to 29.

I also saw something else that said he could go in the bottom of the first round.

Don't you get it? Our GM knows nothing about negotiating, trading down so you recieve value or when to protect lottery picks. Our GM is lost when it comes to managing a basketball team. The Knicks didn't get value with their pick and thats the most important thing.

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6/28/2006  11:52 PM
I'm not saying Balkman is necessarily a great pick at 20, but by the same token, how do we really know he would have still been there at 29? (VDesai has already asked this about 50 times, so I guess it's my turn.) Check out this one quote from that article:

South Carolina's Renaldo Balkman generated the most murmurs among NBA player personnel assembled at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp on Thursday.

Of course it's all just talk. We'll just have to wait for the regular season to see how it pans out. Historically Isiah's draft choices have panned out well, so although I was surprised and puzzled by the pick at first I'll withold my judgment.
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Posted by efw:

if it's so easy to replace him, why did JYD get paid 15 mil??

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